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The Smoking Gun. WTC7 taken down by CONTROLLED demolition. WTC1 and WTC2 as well. What are we to make of this?

Controlled demolition.

In case you have not seen the new documentary, where now thousands of structural engineers, architects, chemical engineers, and physicists are going on record that IT IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE that those three buildings could have been brought down by office fires, or by even high-impact 767 crashes in regards to WTC1 and WTC2. (You can watch that documentary when you have time here:)

http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138/

All...I repeat all...of the three buildings brought down that day...comprising the worst structural "failures" in world history...were done by CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

Incontrovertible. Irrefutable.

And extremely high-tech, high energy military grade explosives which are able to melt steel in a flash, were used.

This is now, without question.

We have solved the what. Now we turn to the how...and then the WHO.

But the government's official accounts, the FEMA and the NIST reports, are so ridden with fraud, gross negligence, and pseudoscience, that those reports...are CRIME SCENES in and of themselves.

We need to start prosecuting right there and then work our way up...but I digress...

3000 innocent citizens and first responders have died! Who will speak for them?? Who will bring them justice??

And hundreds of thousands of family members and friends to the victims who carry the pain with them to this day...deserve a right to know what happened... rather than being insulted by these incompetent, taxpayer-funded government-sponsored cover-ups to the scene of the worst mass murder in American history.

WTC7 was demolished differently than the Twin Towers: All or most of its basement supports were severed at once....as evidenced by the free fall, or fall at the speed of gravity with no resistance, of the first 108 feet.

In other words, 108 feet, you know, 8 to 10 stories of the building of the lower floors, just ceased to exist in an instant.

Where did they go? Did those floors slip into a parallel universe?

Or were they blown to smithereens?

Certainly the truth...wherever it may lie...is not the, fake, forced, fraudulent model reconstruction that NIST (MIST?) tried to shove down the throats of the American taxpayer, $22 Million Dollars later!

As to the destruction of the WTC1 and WTC2 towers...two of the STRONGEST vertical structures on Earth...the entire buildings were laden with nano-thermite, with complete destruction set to begin just below the airplane impact zones, and timed to look like a "normal" gravitational collapse.

It was a brilliant execution.

[Except there is no such thing as a "normal gravitational collapse." Asymmetrical damage (the jet impacts)...can not lead to a symmetrical global collapse. Physically impossible.]

You heard the first collective shaped charge "ka-POW" of the south tower floors being blown apart just below the jet impact area, then the explosions of the other successive floors were timed and were increasingly masked by the continuous roar of the massive demolition wave which gained velocity and amplitude as it plummeted to Earth.

Very clever.

But, eyes don't deceive...and ears don't....thanks to the advent of cameras and cell phone cameras.

Complete gravitational collapse on super-highrises from office fires no matter how hot?

Doesn't happen.

Has never happened in the nearly 100 years of high-rise history.

Will never happen in the future, as long as the Laws of Physics apply....which they will forever.

Unless thermite is involved.

Which may explain the molten iron in a sheer 'waterfall' of molten metal off of the south tower as its upper 30 floor block begins to deform and rotate down, but a block no more, its angular momentum of all that incredible mass, suddenly neutralizing into dust...as the "collapse" accelerates in earnest, traveling down the former path of MOST resistance (the core) that in seconds has become--by being blown to bits--the NEW path of LEAST resistance.

Hmmm. 30 stories pulverized into powder in two seconds. Very strange.

The path of MOST resistance...becoming the path of LEAST resistance. Very strange.

Molten iron. Very strange.

What possibly could turn most of the mass of 350 vertical feet of an acre-sized building, into wisps, in a few seconds? Or melt its steel columns in the same??

Must be something...of course NOT mentioned in the taxpayer funded NIST and FEMA and 9/11 Commission Reports.

Here is the smoking gun to how the controlled demolition was set up...innocuously...with unrecognizable boxes of military-grade super-thermite sol-gel shaped charges, placed in the core areas hidden from the office tenants, against the bare columns in and around the elevator banks.

Super-thermite melts steel with incredible temperature and exrtreme levels of energy.. and pulverizes the concrete and the non-steel contents in mid-air, as Towers 1 and 2 come down.

Literally all of the floor concrete, gypsum wallboard, and FF&E, including elevators and HVAC equipment... for 110 stories of each building, an enormous weight, was pulverized to a toxic powder as fine as talcum, in mid air in seconds...and it spread out like a volcanic pyroclastic flow, over lower Manhattan...while the melted and distorted steel frames, collapse in a heap below.

Watch another the 18 minute presentation here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3EQV223Y-M&feature=g-user-u

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Could you please STFU?

Thank you.

sharkhearted's picture

No kidding.

Just an instigator.

Ignore them.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

No instigator

Just pointing out that you are not watching real videos, but conventional animations. Although they may appear similar, they aren't. You are investigating stuff inside a virtual reality. Where will that lead you? Nowhere. Prove please, that we are watching real videos here.

A better question...

What you see is the exterior frame of the building not the core, the core is gone. In a pancake collapse, you would assume there might be some of the steel interior columns still standing. Keep in mind, according to the government, the floors collapsed. In a pancake collapse, what we should see is a pile of debris at the bottom, which was once floors, with at least some of the 47 interior concrete reinforced steel columns still standing.

What happened to the 47 concrete reinforced interior steel columns? How does a pancake collapse explain 500,000 lb steel beams lodged into the facades of buildings 600 feet away? For that matter, how does a pancake collapse explain pulverizing tons of concrete into 3-4 inch thick dust? It takes an awful lot of energy to produce the total destruction of the interior core structure. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how a pancake collapse explains the above.

fireant's picture

Obviously it wasn't a pancake collapse.

It was a friggin grinding machine inside those towers, demoed or not. Why would you assume I believe such "pancake" nonsense?
How could that be 60 some stories of exterior frame when we all saw it expelled to the side?

Undo what Wilson did

ps. fireant

Did you watch the video I recommended for you and bill?

http://www.dailypaul.com/255905/do-truthers-ever-visit-9-11-...

fireant's picture

Sorry to take so long RonPaulWins2012.

I agree with much of what you say. Please note my awakening came as a result of my looking with unbiased eyes, not from any de-bunking site. I have since used some material from a few de-bunking sites; it's the only place to find it because the "truther" sites don't cover it. But it was my own eyes and research which caused my utter angst with AE (how can an architect omit the twisting of bldg 7 as it went down?).
As for your references, I'm not sure your point with the pentagon pic, but I agree with it's analysis. The visual evidence there strongly suggests a large aircraft went in at a very high speed. All the airplane parts on the inside pretty much confirms it.
Regarding the video, I have watched hours and hours of similar vids, and have learned when they start with a false premise, I simply don't waste my time. "No other steel frame building ever collapsed from fire" is a false premise; a cleverly disguised lie, often used by AE and other "truth" sites.
Finally, just because I state it is possible the buildings came down as we saw, due to airplane crashes, doesn't mean I accept any official story or am not aware of massive cover up. It doesn't require demolition for this to be a heinous crime with inside implications.
Here's a site you might want to peruse. The guy has iron clad credentials and has investigated the tactical plans and flight training thoroughly. https://thebigbamboozle.com/b/

Undo what Wilson did

You didn't answer if you watched 9/11: Press for Truth

Personally, I think the majority of the A&E are good people. Real good people. I also think that the "leader," Richard Gage is very suspect. I do not trust Richard Gage. I watched the full A&E 9/11 vid (with all its almost unbearable audio problems,) and for the most part, it's only Richard Gage who repeats already debunked or discredited lies, such as the "No other steel frame building ever collapsed from fire" point you made. I could, if I were to watch it again, pick at least 5 other significant, separate lies he says in his weasly (I'm-lying-to-you-but)-trust-me-,I'm-an-architect-(who-has-no-agenda) tone and mannerisms. As I wrote in another previous comment in February of this year (linked in that other thread I told you about 9/11: Press for Truth,) I have been following and paying attention to 9/11 truth and 9/11 "truth" since 2003. Richard Gage, as good or as sincere he may appear, is very suspect. The Pentagon image was in a quasi-reply to what I had previously wrote about the no-planers and that disinfo. I have a lot of 9/11 related imagery and things that most truthers and "truthers" reading this site have probably never seen. As I said, I have been following and paying attention to this since 2003. You better watch 9/11: Press for Truth, if you haven't already!

fireant's picture

I'm pretty sure it was among the many I watched several years

ago.
Your timbre seems objective (admittedly refreshing), so I trust your judgement. I stand however, by my criteria of anything starting with a false premise I avoid. If you can point me to a particular fact of importance and the time location, I'll have a look. Or, give me an idea of what point is significant in the film.
Have you looked at the site I linked? A very valuable piece of evidence there which confirms conspiracy of the highest order if his conclusions are accurate. All fact; no speculation.

Undo what Wilson did

Okay. Good.

In 9/11: Press for Truth there are many significant things, such as, but not limited to, the "ignored" warnings of the attacks/other foreknowledge by various members of the bush executive, the military and intelligence. The inexcusable cover-up and stonewalling by the bush administration and 9/11 commission leaders. Also the allowed escape by the U.S. military, of lots of Al Qaeda & Osama from Afghanistan to Pakistan.

I did look at the Philip Marshall site, read all his blog posts and tried to find his book The Big Bamboozle in digitial form available for free. I plan to listen to his radio interviews. I remember Philip Marshall's name from years ago. I'm not sure if he's a person I trust or not. In the past I have researched most, although not all, of his presented facts/allegations/etc. from that summary in his blog. Do you have his book, either print or digital?

It was a portion of the North tower's core, not the entire core.

What sharkhearted wrote in reply, about it being perimeter walls, is completely false. It was part of the core, and while it was significant, it appears it was ultimately only a minimal fraction of the core's total circumference (let's be fair and say that, at its widest, it was 1/6 that remained standing.)

I don't have the definite answer for how it remained standing, if there were planted explosives/demolition weapons, but it sure helps destroy the official story "pancake" collapse nonsense. Especially since it then suddenly, completely collapsed to the ground, when it was enough of the core to have strength-wise remained standing.

When the South tower collapsed, there were several perimeter wall sections that landed in the pavement and were jutting up, standing almost vertically straight. When the North tower collapsed, there could have been similar pieces of debris that had hit the ground (during the first part of the collapse,) that then fell over into the base area of the part that remained standing, causing it to fail.

We can't know for certain because the base is obscurred by the clouds of dust, at the moment of complete failure and collapse of the spire. Personally, I think that it was either North tower debris or demolition weapons that caused the failure and collapse (I say weapons because any explosives used on 9/11 would have been just that - weapons.)

 

 

sharkhearted's picture

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

LOOK AT THE VIDEO. There may have been a couple core columns, yeah....but BIG deal.

I was talking about the 90 degree perimeter columns and the exterior cladding that stood for a few minutes.

GO BACK and read my f-u-c-k-i-n-g posts. You are CONFLATING things I said.

And this is MY forum, by the way, so you need to read up first before you throw out bogus accusations of "completely false".

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I also apologize for saying "completely false,"

if you weren't meaning the North tower spire.

I read all your dialogue with fireant in this part of the thread

So answer me. What video and what part? Link it.

Fireant is talking about the North tower spire.

I was under the impression you meant the North tower spire.

So, what video? There are many video links in this thread. Link me to the exact part.

CNN Live NEWS 911

It is illustrated here @ 0:38 I believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugypj1NsQ-A

Evaporated @ 0:54.

Wood has much better CGI-photos of this unknown phenomena somewhere. Not done or caused by energy weapons though. It is just another Hollywood animation (on live news).

(Note that the collapse sequence on the other news networks only lasted 11 sec).

Yeah, um, that's the North tower spire.

That isn't what sharkhearted is referring.

Please quit promoting Judy Wood. She's a POS.

The Answer is Simple....

If your plan is to demolish a building covertly, then don't be so obvious about it. Leave some of the structure intact so you can use it to make the very point you're trying to make.

Remaining structure doesn't explain the molten metal, the obvious effort of getting rid of the evidence as swiftly as possible by quickly hauling it away and destroying it beyond future investigation by cremation. It doesn't explain away all the witnesses that heard explosions seconds before the collapse, etc., etc., etc.

I was as skeptical as you when I first heard it was a planned demo, but after hearing all the evidence, I find it credible and most likely.

fireant's picture

Then you are admitting straight up that 60 floors of the

building did in fact collapse due to the gravitational forces of the falling debris, and the core offered no resistance to that collapse because the matter went to the sides of it. If 60 floors could do that, why couldn't the whole building do that?

Undo what Wilson did

You mean PARTIAL Core....

If you have 6 beams as your core and you cut 4 or 5 of them, then you still get the same results. Also, it would be wise to leave partial remains untouched by thermalite in case someone did want an investigation, you could offer them something to examine that has no trace of your explosive.

fireant's picture

Partial core at the top for sure. I'm not so sure about lower.

This view and others from this angle shows a goodly portion of the girth. Hard to tell. http://enki.hubpages.com/hub/911-Misdirection#slide210683 I saw one video I think was taken from Jersey which had a great view of it. It looked complete. Dang I can't locate it. I'll keep looking though.

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sharkhearted's picture

WTF???

You don't have the slightest shred of an idea what you are talking about. You said:

"the core offered no resistance to that collapse because the matter went to the sides of it."

HUH? WHAT?

The massive CORES of WTC 1 & 2 were some of the strongest vertical structures on the planet and represented the GREATEST amount of resistance.

What happened to the cores, fireant?

What turned the path of GREATEST resistance into the path of LEAST resistance in a few seconds?

I am not holding my breath on your answer.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You said to ignore This Douche

So ignore him or her and quit trying to reason with him/her. No point. Some people are just too much in denial.

skippy

No Need For Insults

For what it's worth, I like having fireant in this discussion because it's important to hear the countering opinion. And if any of us are confident in our positions, it shouldn't feel threatening to hear the other side. Plus while I'm not sure I agree w/ fireant's points, it does seem as if he has given them a good amount of thought. On top of that, he has also shown a willingness to listen, discuss, and remain open-minded.

fireant's picture

Thank you kevink

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Undo what Wilson did

sharkhearted's picture

So is that a 50 story-tall bulldozer in front of the "core"?

Look at the size it (it is red) in comparison to your "60-70 stories of core remaining."

That remaining portion of the core.. is 3 to 4 stories max.

And the 11 or so stories of aluminum cladding (count the floors) and a few of the perimeter columns remaining on the side?

Big deal. That's not the core. The core is (was) the massive center of the building.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

fireant's picture

60 to 70 floors were still standing.

By that photo, if one were looking with objective eyes, one can see at least that part of the building and down (about 4 floors and the sub floors) was not disassembled. That would be an important clue of it's own in determining how the building collapsed. It can't be ignored. The photo also shows complete beams, separated at their connections. The tilted column sections are also a clue.
And of course as is normal, you fail to mention the other photos showing higher up which clearly show the core standing after the building collapsed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t64rlnaCqY8

Undo what Wilson did

sharkhearted's picture

DUHHHHH

THAT IS NOT THE CORE.

The video which you reference above...shows part of the perimeter...exterior.....SHELL....not the core.

The core is GONE.

And that part of the shell collapses after a few seconds.

You are also conflating two pictures...the video you reference where the remaining shell collapsed in few seconds...and the one you reference above that I previously commented on shows a stub of the core left with a bulldozer in front of it with about 11 stories of aluminum cladding which WAS left standing and did not collapse.

BIG effing deal. Some of the explosives may have malfunctioned, resulting in some asymmetrical damage at the bottom of this building. It happens.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.