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Happy Constitution Day!

Today marks the 225th Anniversary of the creation of the United States Constitution.

The Constitution is recognized as the highest law in the United States and provides the framework for it's government.

But, does the Constitution allow government to rob us?

Larken Rose answers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE

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Iroquois Influence on the United States

Historians in the 20th century have suggested the Iroquois system of government influenced the development of the Articles of Confederation or United States Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquis

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Happy Consitution Day?

Please accept my condolences...

"The problem is not those in power, the problem is right between your ears." ~Larken Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs&list=FL4wdZ0dK3HG...

It's good to see...

It's good to see that so many already get it.

More and more people are coming to the understanding that a piece of paper, no matter how well written or well intentioned, does not override your natural rights and cannot protect against the growth of the State.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Where does it say anywhere in the Constitution that it

infringes on our natural rights. If anything it reiterates on paper that we have them and restrains the government which is in fact formed to protect them. It's not her fault that nobody listens to her wise words and it's not her fault that when they do turn to it, they twist the meanings and amend the meanings in the same manners.

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Where does it say anywhere in

Where does it say anywhere in the Constitution that it infringes on our natural rights.

5th Amendment says government can take your property by force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_S...

Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes..."

I have a feeling they were talking about during War time..

on "eminent domain".. but the taxes thing isn't exactly cut and dry either. The type of tax to levied wasn't sup[posed to be on an individuals income/labor. It has been twisted and lied about so much and for so long that people think they have to pay it.

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Specifically, the current income tax was a business war tax.

The "War Tax" was levied on business income to fund the European War. Tax forms were sent out to any that might pay. Tax forms were offered to fulfill a patriotic duty. War Bonds much the same.

The European War (later named World War, then World War I) drew the United States into its clutches.

Billions for Bankers--Debts for the People

In 1901 the national debt of the United States was less than $1 billion. It stayed at less than $1 billion until we got into World War I. Then it jumped to $25 billion.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Taxation is theft.

It violates your natural right to your property.

Even if the Constitution was followed to the letter, the State that it created would still violate your natural rights.

The State by it's very existence takes the same natural rights to Life, Liberty, and Property that it was created to protect.

First the State takes your property (taxation), then when you refuse to hand over your property it takes your liberty (it throws you in a jail), and then when you refuse to let it take your liberty and defend yourself it takes your life!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

The 16th never has been my cup of tea.

I'm all for taxing corporations (fairly) as was put forth by the Founding Fathers intent but not a persons labor or his property.

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My view, which is the Rothbardian view,

is that all taxation is theft, regardless of whether its income tax, sales tax, corporate tax, excise, tariffs etc., because taxation uses coercion to take property from an individual.

No matter how they dress it, it is still pointing a gun at someones head and demanding they pay up or else.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

So do you think realistically that we could fund roads

schools and such strictly through voluntarism? Do you think in this day and age where everyone seems to live through subjective morality and subjectively justifies every other thing under the sun that they'd feel inspired to chip in?

Do you think that if a large enough group got together to build all of the roads in your state and continuously funded those in need of future repair would feel fine about those who chose to do nothing yet still wanted to use those roads?

I personally don't need roads where I'm going and hate them but others require them to conduct business which would promote free market transactions in your vision, no?

We won't get into the myriad of other situations where roads are used and desired.

I hate taxes but I also hate war and yet as a last resort, it is sometimes needed so if I can taxes a corporation over the individual I will unless someone can come up with a practical real world thought out solution.

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I suggest you look into Anarcho-Capitalism

Do I think we can fund things like roads and schools, through voluntary means only?

Yes, absolutely.

Not only do I think it is possible, I think it is more efficient, more ethical, and will bring about higher quality.

The answer is free markets.

If you are specifically interested in how roads could work in a stateless society, I highly recommend you read some of Dr. Walter Block's articles on this subject or listen to some of his lectures.

I'll fetch you a couple links.

Here's a good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUA4h8ctNWM

Walter's book "The Privatization of Roads and Highways" on PDF: http://mises.org/document/4084

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I'll check that out but I want to know from you.

How will the free market assist? How do you see it actually playing it out.

I hear a lot of ideas thrown out but rarely any substance. no plans on how to make it work. Does someone have actual plans I could look at instead of lecturing on ideology?

See we have plans we are using right now.. They suck ass but I would like to know what exactly people are proposing with details before I get on board. I have never been one to run gleefully into an idea hoping we could figure it out.

Edit: BTW I'm not opposed to the idea of volunteerism, I just think it would, as with all things, work for certain areas and be troublesome if not near impossible in others.

Example: Military.. If we had righteous wars, it would be very easy to fill the buses with Patriots willing to protect us.

Example: Public transit.. Trying to implement car pooling on a national scale and or getting people to donate for others to ride on a large scale.

Now on the last one, if you through in a pay to ride situation, I guess in a loose definition of volunteering, that may or may not work.

Again I'm not opposed to it. I just want specifics.

Oh and also.. I believe in free markets and that it would fix a great deal buuuuuuut how would that work on roads as to getting the money a company would need to be hired?

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Throughout America's early

Throughout America's early history there was a common objection to the abolition of slavery, as silly as it seems now, it was "But, who would pick the cotton?"

Still abolitionists knew that even if they didn't know how the cotton industry would survive, they still knew that it was absolutely immoral to have slavery.

Libertarians should take this same approach to roads and other "public" funded services, even if we may not know exactly how they will be funded, we still know that it is absolutely immoral to to use coercion to fund them, and continue to oppose this coercion.

Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall.

That said, there are actually good ideas on how roads would be funded in a stateless society.

I may not be the best at voicing them, but I'll give it a shot.

Roads like any other good or service can be provided on the market.

There is a demand for them, and rest assured entrepreneurs will fill the void left by abolition of public roads.

Companies would emerge that would construct roads for profit.

Road owners could charge with toll booths, monthly memberships, by the mile with metering equipment, or allow passage for free, by renting out or selling advertising space and commercial lots for businesses.

Another example is to think of a road like you do a shopping mall, the property owner constructs a road, and sells spaces along the road.

Just like a mall the businesses would pay for their rent, maintenance, and any other agreements in the contract with the property owner.

With housing developers, they would need roads into their developments in order to sell their houses, so they would have the incentive to build the road, maintenance could be handled like maintenance fees for HOAs.

Those are just a few examples.

I hope this is helpful.

Are you into Austrian Economics? This would really help in understanding market alternatives to "public services".

If so, Murray Rothbard's 'Man, Economy, and State' would be a good read.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

not a good idea

The constitution restrains the federal government. The federal governments gets the final say on what the constitution means.

Happy birthday Connie!

You sexy bitch!

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Haha

She's still got it at 225?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

A little rough around the edges but not her fault

Still as beautiful as ever. :)

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Isn't "Tis of Thee" better than the "Pledge of Allegiance"?

November 15, is the anniversary date of the Articles of Confederation.

The Articles of Confederation

I'd say that the Articles were preferable to the Constitution, but I would prefer Murray Rothbard's Anarcho-capitalism and Hans Hoppe's Private Law Society over both.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Can a mod please embed the video?

I would be very grateful, if a moderator could embed the video for me.

Thanks!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard