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Ralph Nader on Rand Paul: "Not his father's son."




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Nader's a decent guy, ive

Nader's a decent guy, ive read up on him, he's been trying to defend the consumer since the 60's. When he wrote "Unsafe at any speed" GM tried mightily to discredit him, they even hired hookers to try to seduce him/make him look bad, No lie. If i could have made RP Pres this year, i would have had Ralph be his VP, they would have made a good counterpart. As for Rand, if you judge him solely by his voting record in the Senate, he's the best or top 2 or 3. I didn't like the Rom endorsement either, but wtf people, RP was never going to be allowed to win, we all knew that deep down. Rand's new book is really good, he's trying to cut foreign aid to 3 countries that don't even like us. He's a pretty good Senator. It's pointless to bash him or J Amash, it's mostly all we have, at this point.

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I have had the pleasure to personally speak with Ralph before and I can tell you first hand that he seemed like a decent and honorable man.

The meeting was totally coincidental and he was very gracious and pleasant like RP would be imo.

Ralph spoke very well about RP when I brought the subject up.

donvino

Has anyone here read the article?

Because no one has commented on this yet - the interviewer said of Rand:

"I couldn’t believe how brazen a lie he uttered to me. I asked him, what did he make of the plight of the Ron Paul delegates at the Republican Convention, who were just arbitrarily not seated — for absolutely no good reason. He said he hadn’t heard anything about it."

That's not surprising, Romney didn't know anything about it

either.

Leges sine moribus vanae

I may not agree with everything Nader says but I think

he seems trustworthy.

Years ago I used to not like him. How things have changed. Now, the fact that he and Ron are friends, and he seems like he's trustworthy is a big deal.....

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Nader doesn't know Jack...

He also doesn't know Rand. Let Rand Paul's record on the Senate floor do all the talking.

The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

So if I hold Rand to a standard, I am a Rand hater?

Listen, don't try to peddle that nonsense here. We hold little Rand to a standard just like anyone else. He has sold out the liberty movement and has lost the majority of the support that his father had. I will not vote for him, period! He is what is wrong with these politicians, he is a liar.

I supported his father and would do it again, I supported Rand but will never so much as give him a wooden nickle now.

It will be Jesse in 2016 but if not him, hell I would vote for Dennis John Kucinich

If Rand didn't endorse Mitt Romney

... THEN he'd be a liar.

He promised that he would endorse the republican nominee when he was running for senate, and now he's keeping his word.

it was the TIMING!!! The

it was the TIMING!!!

The purpose of the convention was to elect the nominee. Why not endorse AFTER the nominee has been decided? Why subvert the freakin process and throw in the towel before Tampa!!!

You are basing everything on emotion

Dennis Kucinich supports policies that have caused more human suffering than can even be calculated.
Look at Rand's voting record--there has never been a defender of liberty like this in the Senate, at least in a generation.

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Rand haters make no sense to me

I just simply don't get it.

Name one person that is in a position of power like Rand that is fighting for the things that the Liberty movement supports. Please reply to this comment with another name, please because I want to know who.

Name one person that is going to go up against Rubio, Bush, Ryan or Christie that has a prayer other than Rand (and the good Dr. of course) in 2016?

Do you really think that Rand and Ron didn't discuss his endorsement of Romney? Do you really think that Rand basically said, fuck you dad I'm going to endorse him anyway and don't care what you think? If so, in my opinion you are naive and have a very short view.

Who now has the media and politicians discussing foreign aid and ending it to three countries?

Who is talking about auditing the Pentagon, legalizing Hemp, letting you pick out your own frikin' light bulb type or any of the other issues that he is championing.

I used to be so energized by the contributions of everyone here on the DP but feel like it is degenerating into a mini Washington, DC where the only thing being done is bickering and arguing.

Rand is the best shot we got and although not 100% like his father (reality check, there will never be another Ron Paul), he did not fall far from the tree of Liberty.

I could almost guarantee you that Ron and Carol are very proud of their son, his character and the causes he's fighting for. And by all means, if any of you have done more than Rand please speak up so we can thank you for your efforts. If you haven't, I would caution against trying to cut down one of the very few people in Washington fighting for Liberty.

I will fight as hard for Rand as I have and will continue to fight for Dr. Paul and will not apologize for it.

Rand is a smart dude.

People freaked out on the whole endorsement because they weren't taking the long view. Looking back now, did Ramen-Noodle benefit from it? Did Rand? Did it hurt his dad?

Then the whole mandatory labeling for GMO thing happened, and guess what? He voted right again. The labeling would have hurt small mom and pop canneries and other food mfrs, which just helps the big guys. And it's unconstitutional.

Rand Paul isn't just smart, he's 'f'in' smart.

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I'm with you

No one paid attention to Ron Paul for decades. No one cared what he did, he was a joke, shunned, ignored, laughed at.. but he didn't leave.. he didn't leave when Reagan went up aginst everything he said about the war on drugs, he didn't leave when Bush St promised a NWO, he didn't leave when Bush began nation building. And this is where Rand is like his father, he's not going to leave.

Unlike his father, he has always been compared to his dad. How would anyone here stack up to Ron Paul?

Everyone has scrutainized Rand from the day he was born. Every word he has said, every vote he has made, he has not been ignored, made a joke or laughed at by the GOP or MSM, but by those who claim they LOVE Ron Paul, but will be damned to even try to follow him.

I have great appreciation for Rand Paul.

I thought the interveiw sucked. I volunteered for Nader for three elections, and while I have not agreed with him on issues, I did believe his work for ballot access and open debates was important.. it's just that anymore, I feel swindled by Nader.. we never achieved open debates of abllot access, but with all the law suits, it seems all we did was help the PTB close the loop holes so NO third party or Indy will have the opportunity to become president.

he left

and ran for libertarian party president in 1988 then went back to practicing medicine for years. he returned to the republican party in 1997.

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Returned to the GOP in 97 and never left

and he won't ever leave.

He left in 2008

with his endorsement of the candidate for the constitutional party.

He remained as a congressman

Chuck Baldwin has joined the GOP BTW. In November, 2011, Republican Montana gubernatorial candidate Bob Fanning selected Chuck Baldwin as his running mate.

I like how the Rand

I like how the Rand supporters are trying to play "kill the messenger" with Nader (he's just jealous, he's trolling for support, etc.). Everything he said about Rand and Ron are things that Ron Paul supporters say all the time on this site (probably where he got his info). Just because he's a socialist doesn't mean he's not able to discern differences in character between Ron and his son. Rand's not nearly as predictable as Ron, because he doesn't adhere to libertarian principles in all cases. This is a big strike against him for many of his father's supporters, not just Ralph Nader. He has a lot of work to do if he wants his father's supporters to unite behind him in the future. Right now it seems pretty unlikely.

Yep.

"Everything he said about Rand and Ron are things that Ron Paul supporters say all the time on this site"

That's one of my points. Lot's of people here don't have a clue about Rand Paul's voting record and certainly no sense of perspective. I'm not talking about thoughtful criticism from folks--I'm talking about using every opportunity to divide people and talk negatively about Rand Paul--which really takes some doing because he is, without a doubt, the very best liberty voice in the Senate in a generation. Do we even need to list the reasons? (Filibustering the Patriot Act, Foreign Aid, bringing troops home, Libya, drones, even opposing war with Iran--how many of Rand's attackers even took the trouble to learn about that?)

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Nader is not a socialist

He has never belonged to any political party, and he is very jealous of Ron Paul, and he is taking it out on Rand, though, I don't think this is a good interview.

Ron Paul rEVOLution was cake walk by comparison to what we went through (for me) in three elections working for open debates and ballot access on Nader's Indy campaigns.

Nader's book, "Seventeen Tratditions", is very conservative, he wrote for, Christian Science Monitor, for years. He was ripped off by both parties, his ideas being tranfigured into government... the documentary, "Unreasonable Man", does a fine job explaining Nader's bravery, trials and pains against the government. I know no one who has sued the government more than Nader.

Besides a great picture of Nader with his arm around me, is a full size US Constitution he gave me as an personal gift of appreciation. He told me when he gave it to me, "The only thing more important that the US Constitution is the Bill of Rights because the Bill of Rights is what protects us from the Constitution."

He has every reason to be jealous of Ron Paul as he deserved a rEVOLution and not the notorious billing he recieved from MSM and the people. He will always be a hero to me.

That said, I don't agree with him about Rand. To grow up being compared to Ron Paul is something I don't believe one person here on DP could do, yet Rand is, and he's doing it under the most unconstitutional and hostile government in US hisotry. My hat is off to Rand, and I'm proud to stand with him.

For one thing, Ralph and Ron

For one thing, Ralph and Ron are against corporate personhood and Rand is for it. That has always been a big issue for Ralph.

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Rand Paul = The STRONGEST VOICE OF LIBERTY in the Government!

Im sick of seeing all of these people attack Rand Paul....YES I WOULD RATHER HAVE RON PAUL in the Senate (or that White House for that matter)...BUT RON PAUL is NOT in EITHER (right now...Although my Family and I are ALREADY Working on Ron Paul 2016 (and NO Dr. Paul is NOT "to old" get real people how old was CFR Agent John "NDAA ACT" McCain??)

The FACT is-----Rand Paul = The STRONGEST VOICE OF LIBERTY in the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT. Thats just a F-A-C-T and there is NO DEBATE On that subject. (who else got in McCains FACE over the Horrific "NDAA Act"?? Who else is pushing Bills to END FOREIGN AID? Who else is getting the FACE of Property Rights Invaders? Who else is taking the fight to Clinton for supporting the U.N. move to Outlaw the 2nd Amd.?????????

............I dont See...ANYONE ELSE...Doing what he is doing...NOBODY.

We still support Dr. Paul 1000% and as stated think hes going to run in 2016 and by that time we feel the American Sheeple will at long last be FORCED to HEAR THE MANS WORDS....But...Until then The FACT is that Rand Paul IS THE VOICE OF LIBERTY IN THIS Government.

trying to suggest hes "nothing like his Father" makes me laugh at Nader (and btw----I VOTED FOR NADER a few years back and like that man.

Stand by YOUR Rand folks---Its about ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

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Plus one

from me.

MORE CAPS!

IT REALLY MAKES YOU LOOK INTELLIGENT!!!

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More intelligent than you, obv

Capitalized words help to discern when the author is conveying emphasis, which is useful since text-based communication lacks audio and visual cues.

If Rand Paul is

the best we've got, God help us.

Nader is just trolling for support

Nader is a socialist who simply wants the correct elites in charge, regulating everything.

Why would Nader bother to mention the alleged Rand/Ron divide? To attract some of the young (or shallow) Paul supporters.

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Ad hominem attack

Something you most certainly would abhor and condemn if it were directed at Rand or Ron, yet gleefully use in your attack of Nader.

Shame, shame. Some Ron Paul supporters seem to have learned little from the good doctor they claim as their leader.

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Ron and Rand are both Constitutional Conservatives and all though some here may notice slight differences, their general view of government is the exact same and so are their philosophies.
How to get to the end result of Liberty for all, is what they may differ at slightly.
Rand is a little more forceful with his character which is dangerous to authoritarians.
Ron would have NEVER referred to Mccain as a "Troll".!!!lol

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

SLIGHT differences???

Just a few little things like supporting a war mongering tool of the elites RINO...against his own dad.