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Ralph Nader on Rand Paul: "Not his father's son."

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You dont think ron knew in 2010 romney was the chosen one for 2012?lol Believe me ron knew who est republicans wanted. he knew in 2010, maybe even in 08 he saw romney coming.. you dont think he discussed rands endorsement atleast 6 or 8 months ago with HIS SON??lol are you dumb?
You dont think the Drs Paul saw this coming LAST year and discussed IT THEN, what Rand was to do when the fork in the road came??
Both the doctors saw their constituents being physically beaten in conventions and it was at that point Rand Paul endorsed romney and ron paul emailed his supporters.
3 days BEFORE the texas state convention and 2 days after the La state convention ended in chaos and arrests.
Look at the timing. Their announcements wer 6 HOURS APART from each other. What does that say? It says it was coordinated thats what.
wake up! ron paul is not dumb and his supporters of all people should know not to underestimate him. however he expects and has even counted on this too!lol he is always the same old ron.. dumb as a fox and always prepared for the ones who underestimate him and leave him, or steal his message.
do you really think rand simply woke up one day and decided to endorse romney??lol
This was discussed last year sometime and they know exactly what they are doing and know how to play hard ball.
BY RAND ENDORSING ROMNEY HE GUARANTEED A WIN FOR LIBERTY. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME NOW.

cant you give rand the benefit of the doubt?
look at the wrench he has thrown into harry reids agenda,.
He called mccain a troll to his face.
The biggest neocon hawk in the senate and rand called him a troll!!
he has aid to pakistan blocked. pakistan is the keystone in the middle east, and he has ITS AID BLOCKED and the entire US Middle East foreign policy at a STAND STILL. Dont you have EYES?
he has several bills that he has written such as the "sunset bill", introduced a balanced budget, term limits, audit the fed, TSA take down, Patriot Act take down, NDAA take down, and so many others.
rand is the best thing the senate has seen for 50 years, mabybe longer and he just got there.
you must look at the outcome. the pauls are winning.
the romney campaign is imploding from with in.
the back stabbing and distrust has them in complete disarray.
If you think this is over, youre mistaken.
Ron Paul is smarter then any of them and has planned every step he has taken, and is by no means finished-.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Sorry

I am not seeing the miraculous rollback in the NDAA, etc. accomplished by Rand that you claim. Nor am I listening to any more crap about a grand strategy for "liberty" by Rand endorsing tyranny.
Yes, I have EYES, and ears, and a brain.

You should work this comment into a post

excellent points throughout.

Also if you could add something about his GMO food labeling vote which was a classic 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario...

Don't feed the pandas. Ever.

Ralph Nader

is bought and paid for, we should all know that by now. Rand Paul 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

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funny the ones like ralph nader who speak in public about rand paul and all the paul children neither know them nor have spoken with them.

What ever Rand Paul is, how ever many descriptions can be placed on him, one thing is for certain, he~just like all his brothers and sisters are SELF MADE, in the original sense of the word.!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Nadar, an outsider socialist

Nadar, an outsider socialist who wants a completely socialistic healthcare system. No thanks, It's great he's not a party guy but his policies straight up SUCK!

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

...and herein lies the "problem" with this "movement"...

...which has ALWAYS existed...PROGRESSIVE "libertarians", as opposed to our founders' version of what Liberty means whereas freedom that results in lasting prosperity is concerned...

Ron Paul is an embodiment of the General Principles of Christianity - which supports God-given LIBERTY - a liberty that irresponsible God-haters, atheists, and Republican and Democrat Judeo-Christian hypocrites and unredeemed HATE!!!

Rand has been heavily influenced by his parents FINE EXAMPLE of the same; and all of you DIVIDERS need to shut up and go get a hobby!

The world is full of imperfect, fallen sinners - fact is though - ALL men were created equal by a Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence, and it is Him who will decide if we will enjoy our Liberty or live under TYRANNY ... period!

Keep throwing Rand under the bus, keep following the mockers of Biblical Christianity, the supporters of abortion and irresponsible drug/alcohol use under the name of so-called "liberty and freedom"; and those who ignorantly paint ALL exterior religious affiliations/followers with the same broad brush by pointing out the hypocrisy of a few(which in no way represents the PURE faith of our founders, and their understandings of the same) ... there is a God higher than Caesar, and our GOOD laws derive from that understanding of His nature and purpose for humanity...

All the Rand bashers can't do any better than Rand; so, go ahead and align with his enemies and get him bounced from office - we're lucky God gave him to us - but you go ahead and toss him in a trash heap because you armchair naysayers don't want the Rule of law, you just want to RULE!

Vengeance is the Lord's - if we have been wronged, appeal to Him to punish our enemies and restore our liberties/freedoms/prosperity; rather than support/promote more PROGRESSIVE God-less-ness in our society like selfish ignorant children!

Proverbs 28:2 For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof: but by a man of understanding and knowledge the state thereof shall be. We need men of UNDERSTANDING, not men of argument and division.

Amen

Amen

SteveMT's picture

I have a slightly different view with one of your points.

"All the Rand bashers can't do any better than Rand"
I believe that they have supported Ron Paul better than Rand has supported him. You are right. No one is perfect. When someone is 100% committed to a movement by his voting record and by his consistency, supporters also give back 100% by way of their support. You get what you give. "The love you take is equal to the love you make." We have been spoiled by Ron Paul, now expecting the same 100% out of Rand. Time may provide some perspective about all of this.

Wait, wait, wait.

So you're saying that anyone who doesn't like Rand is a progressive? Well, that's a great way to try and demonize and box-in people who don't agree with you, but it's simply not true.

And let me say this...Ron Paul's faith as a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with his philosophy of liberty - in other words, anyone (people of faith or not) can hold these opinions. You seem to be of the opinion that Dr. Paul has the mindset he has because he's Christian.

As long as we have people like you we'll never be united because you're biased toward your own religion. The message of freedom is supposed to bring people of all kinds together, regardless of their religion.

tl;dr You're nothing but a dirty hypocrite.

WRONG

"Ron Paul's faith as a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with his philosophy of liberty"

Sorry; proper UNDERSTANDING of the Liberty our founders gave us is SPIRITUALLY discerned...

All you "we don't need religious guidance" COLLECTIVISTS are indeed progressives, who think we have "evolved" from antiquated moral books and fables, and you believe "we got this" when it comes to self-restraint and personal behavior without using the word "sin"; you're all in the "no need for any assistance from any made up supernatural beings" crowd - and that is ignorant, and a denial of human reality!

Ron Paul's FAITH, as does mine, has EVERYTHING to do with our understanding of the Liberty we all seek - as I have said before - better I give an agnostic, an atheist, or person of another major world religion opposite/competing with mine his/her freedom to make his/her own choices and let the Rule of Law deal with his behavior rather than allow totalitarianism from centralized government run EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY.

You separation of church and state junkies don't have a clue when it comes to wisdom, knowledge, understanding, compromise, politics, or hypocrisy - you just throw those words around, when in fact TRUST is the ultimate issue - and ONLY a man of pure Christian character is suited and should be preferred above all others to serve in public office in THIS country - and that can be done WITHOUT making our nation a THEOCRACY.

You make a ton of assumptions.

You don't know anything about me or my faith so all these accusations are based on false conjuncture.

Point is you're alienating the majority of liberty lovers because your stance is that you can't be apart of liberty unless you're a god-fearing, bible-thumping, Christian.

Being that Christians are the minority in this movement I think you should consider yourself lucky that we're open-minded to not only include you, but welcome you. Whereas if the shoe were on the other foot you'd be fine with getting rid of us because we don't follow your religion.

You need to rethink your philosophy AND your religion.

People like you who point out we are a MINORTY...

...need to not give out ANY accolades to our founders; you need to READ what they wrote, understand their schooling in the philosophies of human liberty and then OPENLY bash them and Ron Paul as morons for believing such tripe about a Creator and His natural laws over His creation and its inhabitants - again - if we are a MINORITY!

Secondly, if we are a MINORITY - that only means the world/this nation has gone to hell specifically BECAUSE the faith has been tainted, corrupted, mocked, ridiculed, water-down, marginalized, counterfeited and alike - PLUS - we seem to not realize what an afront Ron Paul's philosophies and his understanding Christian followers(homeschoolers specifically) reasoned support is to all the lazy Christians(and their followers) who won't READ the book of their professed faith, yet are given celebrity status in the Republican Party; never realizing that God indeed HATES certain things!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE13LG2T_J4

What is wrong with America is so blatently obvious, sad how painful it will be to drive this point home!

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear...

That's MY PEOPLE God is talking to; not those who profess a salvation they do not actually POSSESS!

*sigh*

I'll stop the argument here. You're much too lost to hold a logical conversation. Again you missed my main point and continued a rant on something safe so you didn't have to accept the truth. Liberty is for all.

right on

right on

I think Nader is slightly jealous that Rand has become Senator

and Nader just has a really big book.

And Ralph Nader is no patriot.

Just because he is "anti-establishment" and has had some kind words to say about Ron does not make Ralph Nader a libertarian.

Nader is a perfect example of a professional "outsider" who will forever remain marginalized and ineffective.

He would love to have all of us join him in impotent obscurity.

No thanks, Ralph.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

SteveMT's picture

He's made our lives a lot safer. For that alone he's a Patriot.

He alone took on the automobile industry and won to make our lives a lot safer. Go with what we overlap with him about, not what we don't. He is anti big government bureaucracy.

"Washington DC is corporate-occupied territory"

Nader founded Public Citizen, a consumer watchdog group that took on large corporations over issues concerning consumer safety and environmental causes.
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ralph_Nader_Corporations.htm

Oh I forgot, he's going to PROTECT the ignorant masses....

...First from exploding Pintos, now from the best voice for liberty we have in the U.S. Senate.

Ralph Nader is the epitome of the progressive do-gooder who would protect the helpless consumer from the big, bad capitalist.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis

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The Virtual Conspiracy

That is exactly why

Nader isn't a patriot. Who needs some do-gooder clown making other peoples lives safer at their own espense? If it is of concern, the consumers would demand it. The British crown protected the colonies from foreign intruders. The colonists were ungrateful for the crowns patriotism it seems, since they committed the treasonous act of declaring their independence.

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"Who needs some do-gooder clown:" About 120,000 people/year

As a result of those data, subsequent research and political pressure (anybody out there remember Ralph Nader’s “Unsafe at any Speed”???), manufacturers today wouldn’t dream of making — and no parent would buy — a car without a collapsible steering column, seat belts, shoulder harnesses, roll bars, padded dashboard, anti-lock brakes, airbags and safety glass. Highway engineers improved the safety of roads and intersections. States passed seat-belt laws and created stiff penalties for people driving drunk.

Without these changes, an estimated 100,000 to 150,000 people would be dying on the roads each year, instead of 33,000.
http://acestoohigh.com/2012/09/04/when-abused-babies-are-lik...

Thanks to other data and the work of

Ralphy, we can't buy a car that gets over 40 miles per gallon for under 10 grand anymore either. Thanks political pressure people. Maybe the government should sue motorcycle manufacturers out of business too, since they are making dangerous transportation. With professional do-gooders like Ralphy on the case of everything dangerous, we could all live to be 200 years old and have a mandated utopia.

To the Rand haters

You all should watch this speech and then say he's "not his father's son": http://www.dailypaul.com/255108/rand-pauls-values-voter-summ...

We hold Rand at too high of a standard. NO ONE is going to meet Ron Paul's standards, and we shouldn't assume Rand can just because he is his son. He has a different approach from his dad. I don't always agree with what he says, but his voting record shows that he is part of the liberty movement. He is infiltrating the GOP establishment. The neocons like him better than Ron Paul for a REASON.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

You DO understand that

one can disagree with a politician, even intensely dislike his positions and actions and not "hate" him/her personally? Or do you think calling people "haters" marginalizes them when you can't deny Rands traitorous actions against the Paul/liberty movement?

egapele's picture

Well said, Katniss

You got an upvote from me.

SteveMT's picture

With Ron Paul, every is an absolute 100%.

With anything less than that 100%, we are now into the realm of relativism. I personally like the absolute way that Ron Paul does things. He is predictable. There is no special way needed to defend what he stands for, except to say that it's not in the Constitution.

And thus the reason I hate him so

we need people like Ron Paul who understands what it means to stand by principle, not people like Rand, the neocons can have him because like it or not, sooner or later, he will be fully bought for.

Your statement is just plain

Your statement is just plain ignorant.

Nonsense

He makes a lot of sense. Compromise leads to abandonment of principles...if Rand has any.

It's BS. No member of either

It's BS. No member of either house of Congress, save Ron Paul, has done more for liberty lately than Rand Paul. The haters just can't accept his endorsement of Romney. Forget the good that he has done. And forget that he went all in, telling his constituents in Kentucky that he would back the Republican nominee, whoever that turned out to be, just before he endorsed his father, who would end the wars and legalize heroin. The man has stood up against the establishment, and he has stood up to the slavish collective that the liberty movement seems to have degenerated into lately. The man is a goddam beast and hero for liberty. If you can't see it, then you're blind.