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Virgil Goode is the only real alternative to Ron Paul not Gary Johnson

Why all this talk about wasting time with Gary Jonson rather the constitutionalist Virgil Goode? See PR is needed even within the Liberty movement. People just won't do the research themselves. Then they run off and vote for someone like GJ without even knowing there are far better options. We do the very same thing that we criticize the MSM for doing by censoring the constitution party. Which is the real liberty party. If your not going to vote RP then you should still vote Constitution.

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Pretty much.

I think people are waking up to what it is but this election just proves many still don't understand what it is.

We as a nation have disrespected it as an idea, marginalized it into non-existence, refused to learn past talking points and just plain taken it for granted in general.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Not voting is a valid response

I have said that elsewhere. I certainly support your right to make that decision for yourself. To imply that those who would take a different path have not done any research and therefore do not deserve liberty is not a productive position to take. You are certainly not persuading me by demeaning me. You have insulted my intelligence, but you have not suggested a positive course of action to take. Are you recommending that I give up and spend the rest of my life bemoaning the fact that this country is messed up?

Sorry, you haven't got me convinced.

Reply

I'm not trying to convince you, I'm simply giving a reply to your statements. If people choose to take what I've said to heart, they can but they should already know these things for themselves.

"To imply that those who would take a different path have not done any research and therefore do not deserve liberty is not a productive position to take."

Productive? More productive than people who are actually doing what I state. I'm not a fan of "do something even if it's wrong" group.

It's absolutely the truth. If people push Goode knowing that he was for the Patriot act, there is something wrong in Kansas, Dorothy. Nobody can spin that. It is not the politicians fault, it's the voters fault. They don't deserve Liberty, plain and simple. The Founding Fathers said it and it's a truthful statement.

You should be embarrassed, not insulted, that you could utter the things you've said.

Positive course? I'll tell you but if you're truly intelligent, you could figure it out for yourself.

Get behind people and groups, that adhere strictly to the Founding Fathers intent. Just because I won't vote this go around doesn't mean I can't still participate in this country's future.

I'm involved in 3 groups now where I provide money and supplies for advertising and events. I'm also making private preparations for upcoming events.

When I'm sure the next candidate isn't a crony in some way, I'll get behind them. I personally hope we can get Tom Woods or Judge Nap to run if Dr.Paul doesn't in 2016.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

You haven't stated anything to do.

Clearly we are on different paths, so I leave you to yours.

I haven't?

"Get behind people and groups, that adhere strictly to the Founding Fathers intent. Just because I won't vote this go around doesn't mean I can't still participate in this country's future.

I'm involved in 3 groups now where I provide money and supplies for advertising and events. I'm also making private preparations for upcoming events.

When I'm sure the next candidate isn't a crony in some way, I'll get behind them. I personally hope we can get Tom Woods or Judge Nap to run if Dr.Paul doesn't in 2016."

What was that above? You were hoping I'd say what candidate to pick?

We're not on different paths.. we're on different wavelengths it seems. That's unfortunately part of the problem we continue to have, evidenced by the continuous stream of shitty candidates people keep voting into office.

Patriot Cell #345,168
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Perhaps you should stop attacking me for supporting Goode

Since I am not supporting Goode, for reasons I have already detailed. Of course, it would seem that you would attack me for leaning toward supporting Johnson, since no reasonable person could possibly support him (still waiting for an explanation of why). Clearly there is no room in your world for dissenting opinions.

And, no, I'm not interested in your opinion on which candidate to pick, though I would have at least listened if you had made a meaningful argument for or against anyone.

I fear that this is coming dangerously close to being a thread hijacking, so this will be my last reply.

No matter what you say to this guy you will never get a

straight answer and eventually he might start accusing you of being something like....reincarnated Hitler or something. rp4pres goes on here and antagonizes and accuses continually. He probably will start saying I am you and you are me. Vote your concience, I will.
Rp4pres gives no one credit for having a brain of there own. He says things with no apology, I mean she says things with no apology. She will run around calling everyone "dude" and continues to slander and digress arguments. Someone even called him JESSE BENTON. He is trying to destroy our cause and he is an opperative, someone stated, but I do not give HER that much credit.

I am sure you get the point. rp4pres thinks there are no real people on here that have real feelings and can think for themselves. rp4pres thinks that only rp4pres is right and everyone else is wrong. rp4pres, as far as I can tell is devisive and destructive and just loves to sit in his mommas basement and argue on the dailypaul. His posts are all over calling people derogatory names and accusin people of being someone other than they are.

I like that term "thread hyjacking". That is a common occurence for this jackal.

Well you did say

voting for Goode was better than voting for Romney or Obama.

That sounds like you gave him some leeway. He isn't any better.

Neither is Gary.. I actually hope he does very well because if he gets in office you'll get to see how fucked up he really is. He's like a reed in the wind. He'll go whatever direction he gets pushed and the pushing will be the blowhards that are TPTB.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

because in my

opinion, the unified message of screw you repubs and dems should be stated in a singular voice across the country. Only in this way can the effect of tipping swing states in a weird way be felt. And, the message would stand louder and clearer.

But that is just my opinion.

Virgil Goode is a crazy

Virgil Goode is a crazy Islamophobe...

I doubt that

VG will most likely not make all the ballots and Gary Johnson will. But this post is only arguementive. The real enemy is the state and the corporate parties that are enlarging the state. Vote for who like or don't vote at all, neither is right or wrong. I do not see VG or GJ as enemies.

Please explain. What

Please explain. What difference does it make how many states the person has ballot access in? No 3rd party candidate will be elected in this election no matter how many states he is on the ballot in. So why should one not vote for the candidate whose platform one most agrees with.

Vote for who you like

Ballot access should not deter you from voting for your guy.

You are free, vote for whomever

Unless you side with Dems or Repubs, then stay home.

Blockades like ballot access are real. The fact that the Constitution Party cannot overcome such obstacles, shows me that, the party lacks the support needed to get past all that. Politics is a numbers game both money and people which the D's and the R's have. But what they don't have is a message of liberty.

The major parties only have to sell authoritarianism to the masses. And so with the public so willfully sidetracked by debt, work, sports, entertainment you name it; it is not that difficult of a sell. Especially when, most people are afraid of freedom.

The process is strongly

The process is strongly rigged against 3rd parties. The two-party system is much harmed by the presence of small parties, for reasons you can find in Belloc's and Chesterton's "The Party System," an eye-opening little book with an introduction by Ron Paul.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Party-System-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/193...

The CP had general ballot access in 2008. The reason for the lack of ballot access in 2012 is not, I think, because of lack of support, but because most of its members and volunteers were involved in the Ron Paul campaign and, hoping to get the GOP nomination for the doctor, neglected the necessary tasks required for ballot access.

I don't disagree about it being difficult. However,...

I really think the internet could some day make a third party very viable in the not so distant future. Debates are becoming more and more irrelevant because the networks will not ask real questions. And as the economy deteriates, people will be wanting some real choices for president and beyond.

I hope you're right, but

I hope you're right, but there are powerful forces arrayed on the other side.

But how many states' ballots is he on?

I will vote for Gary Johnson as a vote to be counted against the establishment more than I am acutally voting for Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson is the vehicle to get the message out just as the Republican Party was the vehicle for Ron Paul to get his message out.

But why do you follow Ron Paul?

Isn't it because of his principles? I will vote for the person who most closely aligns with my principles, and since I can't vote for Ron, it will be Goode

2 Chron 7:13-14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Actions speak louder than

Actions speak louder than words. Goode strikes me as another Bob Barr. Like arr, Goode had a terrible voting record (supported the Iraq War, Patriot Act) but now talks a good game. Johnson was an excellent governor, opposed the Iraq War from the beginning, and despite his flaws is saying nearly all the right things right now.

From your post, it sounds as

From your post, it sounds as if you think Goode will be elected and then betray his platform. If he is not going to be elected, and if one agrees with his platform and not Johnson's, why should one not vote for Goode. I have asked this dozens of times on the DP and have never gotten any reply except idle and foolish name-calling.

Who knows? It is part of a

Who knows? It is part of a package and Johnson has a better one by any standard. I know that past actions, however, are generally the best predictors of whether you can trust someone. Goode, as did Barr, has every personal interest now of appealing to us now.

Johnson's past actions are generally excellent (when he had no reason to cater to us) and his current statements, and actions, are not only very good right now but getting better.

From a purely practical standpoint, of course, Johnson has a far, far better chance than good to be an effective vehicle to send a powerful message and build for the future.

I have asked dozens of times

I have asked dozens of times on this site for someone to please tell me why it matters whether Goode or Johnson is sincere in his inner heart about his platform, since neither is going to be elected president in this election. The purpose of voting for either is to register one's own conscientious views, and that is done by voting according to the stated platform. Their inner hearts would matter only if election were possible.

Voting for me is far more

Voting for me is far more than a matter of conscience. If I was searching for the perfect fit to my views, I'd vote for myself. For me, it it is matter of both conscience and potential impact. Johnson can't win but he beats Goode by a mile when it comes to potential impact.

I think we might all benefit

So I take it you are dropping the "inner heart" objection to Goode, and now hunting around for a new reason to object to him. I begin to think that your dislike for him is either 1. for a reason you prefer not to state, or 2. merely a whim which you rationalize with odd arguments.

I think we might all benefit from knowing what "impact" is. Did George Washington have "impact"? Lincoln? I assume you think Dr. Paul has it. So what does it consist in and how is it a requirement for a worthy office-holder?

Hunt around? I don't have to

Hunt around? I don't have to hunt at all. The game is rich and easy to shoot. His record on the issues is atrocious compared to Johnson:

"On those issues, Goode’s record is also a less than perfect fit with the mostly noninterventionist third party. He voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. Unlike North Carolina Republican Rep. Walter Jones, in Congress he never budged from these positions. He subsequently voted to make the Patriot Act permanent. When Goode voted against a congressional resolution opposing the surge in Iraq, he said he didn’t want to “aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the green flag of the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country.” Goode warned of “In Muhammad we trust” appearing on U.S. currency.

In our interview in March, Goode was somewhat equivocal about foreign policy. He emphasized Congress’s constitutional power to declare war and opposed following the dictates of the United Nations. “We can stay in Afghanistan and the Middle East forever, and it won’t make a difference,” he argued. Goode said he was in favor of reducing the number of troops and bases overseas but against cutting veterans’ benefits.

The former congressman was harder to pin down on his past record, however. “I still believe to some degree that Iraq had WMD,” he confessed. Goode said we should “send Iran a clear message that if we are assaulted, we will meet it and trump it.” That’s not the same as calling for war with Iran—under Goode’s scenario, Tehran would be the aggressor—but the tone is a bit off for someone who is leading a party that truly advocates a humble foreign policy."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/as-goode-as-...

Ah! So now we're back to the

Ah! So now we're back to the "inner heart" and ignoring the platform. As I said, his official platform is what matters to those wanting to register their consciences. His priest and his psychoanalyst can worry about his inner heart. But if you want to vote based on the inner heart, do as you please.

Anyone who's been here since

Anyone who's been here since last election voted for Chuck Baldwin and the CP last time. Chuck Baldwin is THE MAN. Goode voted for the Patriot Act.....should I go on. But don't believe me....DO THE RESEARCH! PLEASE DO THE RESEARCH!

Yes, Chuck.

His speech was terrific witnessing at the Revolution March.

Here is two minutes of that speech. Outstanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXflyWV92o8

Here's a good place to

Here's a good place to start doing research:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2746104