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We are Change confronts Jack Hunter on Bilderberg & John Tate on Jesse Benton



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ecorob's picture

you don't have to like them...

remember that!

it does not diminish their right to coexist with us...many of us want these questions asked to these "people-gods"

so, again, what is your point?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

The proof is in the pudding...

Look how the video is being used - to attack one of our own... to attack a man that worked closely to Dr. Paul. So - seeing how these guys operate - why should Jack give them the time of day? The only reason they released the video is as an attack on Jack Hunter - one of our own. Why? Because he believes the conspiracy theories hurt the Liberty Movement.

Seriously - look at how many of you are reacting. You'd think Jack just came out of a secret Bilderberg meeting. Jack should be free to not answer questions. Yes - 'We Are Change' is free to publish their video - but this is an attack, plain and simple... it serves absolutely no other purpose.

And not only do they attack Jack Hunter - but John Tate. And you guys are buying it! Sorry - I won't stand for these attacks.

When I first talk to someone about Ron Paul, the first thing I have to clear up with them is "Ron Paul? Doesn't he think 9/11 was an inside job?" Geez... Thanks guys. Yes - thanks to you, 9/11 conspiracy theories are tied to Ron Paul's neck. Here is some truth: You Hurt the Movement!

Oh, and for the Truthers that think Ron Paul believes your 9/11 theory... he doesn't. If he did, he shouldn't have voted to give authority to go into Afghanistan. He wouldn't cite 9/11 as an example of blowback.

ecorob's picture

I got news for you, bub...

if jack is one of our own we are in big trouble...

this is a very BIG tent

don't start excluding folks now...you'll never stop!

everyone has a point, everyone has a valid right to speak and ask questions, who is ANYONE to judge their validity?

they are valid and relevent to the questioner, at the very least

pompous asses get the pompous ass "treatment"

get jack's ass back on board or get him the hell out of the way!

don't you tin foil hat me jack hunter, you cocktail crasher...your "important" work ain't getting no where, my friend

look around you

the gop is falling apart before your eyes with the dems standing to benefit at first

we will, of course, hold their feet to the fire and ask them if their president can end the wars?

the answer is no, he can't.
no one can end the wars but Ron Paul!

but he won't get the chance because our primaries were stolen from us by the very people...let's thank them, shall we?

thank you bilderbergers, cfr, and trilaterals and funk you very much jack hunter for skipping those tough questions about those very organizations from the only news agency "tough enough" to ask them

you should feel honored they sought you out jack...i anticipate it won't happen very much more often as you'll soon be forgotten

Ron Paul
2012
Don't forget who put you there! (jh)

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

That has always been my problem with WaC

The videos are used as 'GOTCHA' moments. What is this video being used for. I am a part of the 'conspiracy' crowd. I can tell you this was a set up provocation. They had to of known how Jack would of reacted. This is straight out of the Bill O'Reilly school of ambush journalism. Even Jon Stewart called Bill out for these antics.

Who does this benefit? Surely not the 'evil' organization C4L which that (and this has been said in the comments) 'POS' Ron Paul (also the person wanted his money back after claiming he knew Dr Paul was a POS the entire time) endorses and is the titular head of. Obviously, EVERYONE is a traitor. We need to PURGE everyone immediately to remain pure liberty fairies.

Jack would rather be castigated by them then lose his position trying to reach those who are most asleep. Everything begins with one step. Jack is that one step toward US.

Jack of course played right into their grummy hands.

I really do like Alex Jones, but I do not like Luke and his crew. Cryptome and other watchdogs on the conspiracy side of things have exposed the BS they have done.

In the end, it is up to the viewer to understand We are Change's agenda.

Not everyone who believes in what you do are good people. I have 'conspiratorial' (non-mainstream) views on 9/11, the state and many other things. We are Change is not above criticism, neither is Jack. I told him this is how things would turn out if he kept poking.

In the end, the Ron Paul alliance will break apart. Cheers to the end and thanks to the demagogues for you all now have your tiny bit of power.

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May the LORD make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you
May the LORD lift up His face unto you and give you peace
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ecorob's picture

defeatist...

we'll pick your sorry ass up on the way back through

don't expect the front seat...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

don't waste your time defending these two

Both John Tate and Jack Hunter are despised in the liberty movement, and not for their dislike of conspiracy theories. They are despised for sucking up to the GOP establishment and for not wanting to rock the boat by downplaying Dr. Paul's more controversial positions, such as foreign policy or the war on drugs. They will never inspire new, young, passionate, principled libertarians. You are wasting your time defending these yokels.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

ecorob's picture

i kinda figured all that just by watching the video...

thanks for the confirmation!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

!

Jack was totally on the money with this one. Part of what has harmed this movement's message is when some have called their congressmen ranting "The Bilderbergers er gonna mayke a holocaust happen!" He's pissed off at people like this guy for making the rest of us look like anti-intellectual idiots.

ecorob's picture

nobody is making you look like anything...

you are doing it all your self!

get with the program...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

yes

Just because some idiot somewhere goes on a crazy rant about the Bilderbergers, it means the whole idea has no merit whatsoever.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Completely unprofessional on

Completely unprofessional on Jack's part to call security to throw them out. Asking question about an article you have written sounds like a completely legitimate question and jack should have used this opportunity to support his reasoning. Instead he first tried to ignore them, then insult them, and have them removed. Definitely not a good way convince people to listen to you argument.

Both questions to John and Jack were questions I am very curious about, and wearechange is not going ask them who will? I need info to help me decide if I will continue to remain in C4L. As a result of the way these two handled these questions I have left C4L and unsubscribed from the Southern Avenger, until they convince me that I can trust'em.

Jack Hunter as his real self.

I've given up on him. Maybe he can get a job with the McConnell for Senate campaign.

Another g_y Republican like

Another g_y Republican like Lindsey Graham?

Ventura 2012

Regardless of what Hunter did

before or after the interview, I completely agree with what he said from 0:20 to 1:25 of the second video.

Back in the 2008 election, I remember Dr. Paul being cornered by a woman from "We are change". She asked him why he hadn't come out about the "truth" on 9/11. This, at a time when the media was doing its best to tarnish Dr. Paul. That ROYALLY ticked me off. So she possibly gets the quote she wants, pats herself on the back, and does irreparable damage to the movement.

I have enyoyed some of their interviews in the past, such as the Doug Wead interview, but they need to tone it down with liberty candidates. The interviewer may have wanted to ask Hunter innocent questions at the end, but Jack had no way of knowing about that from past encounters the figures in the movement have had with "We are change".

Btw, I think the interviewer conducted himself well, they just need to start asking different questions. What do we think would happen if all of our liberty figures came out on record completely agreeing with everything "We are change" would like them to admit to on tape? The media would have a field day and the movement would cut itself off at the knees.

Sorry, I had to vent a bit. I actually like this particular interviewer compared to others.

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Good point. Tactically the Liberty movement

could learn from the Left. Focus on getting truth out of anti-Liberty people rather than nitpicking those who are at least softly oriented toward peace and liberty despite their establishment proclivities.

Not suggesting any concession on our principles, just saying too many take easy targets rather than using all available energy to demolish hard core authoritarian statists and war mongers.

How did he conduct himself well?

To me a well conducted interview would have an appointment. Would have questions that reveal the person being interviewed.

Running down a hall chasing someone with a microphone and asking questions that have NOTHING to do with that person is now a well conducted interview?

Remember, WAC

got involved into putting on the spot certain people that don't get certain questions asked to them. These certain people don't really acknowledge any journalists if not mainstream. WAC tries to do something. Do you think these certain people would have made a appointment interview with some no name grassroots people wanting to ask questions?

What I see here, is the WAC did their usual thing but instead of certain people it was some of our people. Because? People have questions. They want to know what is going on.

Would you agree to this? I have questions. How about I contact, well, if the campaign is still running adminstration, if not, I will contact Tate and ask for an appointment for an interview? Is that ok with you?

Campaign is still running INSIDE THE GOP

If you want answers, you join the GOP and get on a committee, otherwise, DO WHAT YOU WANT.

The proper way to get an interview is to get an appointment.

Most states have FREEDOM PACs. You might want to join that.. either you are with us or doing your own thing.

It's hard ball time.

I guess that's it.

Gloves off, hard ball time.

The Liberty Movement has splintered.

We are a rEVOLution

Ron Paul rEVOLution. To me, the Liberty From The rEVOLution Movement was built to splinter the rEVOLution and give those who refused to join the GOP someplace besides the GOP to go. So in that way, it is together. There are those of us with Ron Paul in the GOP, and others who are doing what they want.

'Do what you want'

does not seem to be what the "campaign strategy" part of the Liberty Movement wants.

"Do what you want" is the message to those who didn't do what

Ron paul and the campaign asked. If you didn't join the GOP, try tio become a delegate, get a committee seat.. apparently you have your own plan.. go for it.

Ours is within the GOP.

Granger, I read over and over from you

that Ron Paul and the campaign asked us to join the GOOP. But I never got that memo. In fact, I sent plenty of email to the campaign asking them what I could do to help. I never got a response. Neither did I read Online any memo, or inference that the joining of the GOOP would be of some help. I applaud your efforts in becoming 'politically involved'. I wish you could appreciate others for having a different viewpoints and personalities. I don't now, nor ever did, see the political system as a means of change. In fact, I see withdrawing consent and participation as the only winning strategy. And, believe me, not everyone is cut-out to attend boring meetings or play politics. Please open your mind to other alternatives. Keep doing what your doing but allow others to do what they want. Please link to the missing memo.

You never go that memo?

You never heard anything about becoming a delegate? You have to join the GOP to become a delegate, eh?

I see withdrawing as giving TPTB exactly what they want: YOU out of the picture and out of the way.

The meetings are NOT boring. They are informative about politics in your county, state and nationally. And with Ron Paul's message, they are FUN.

Now that the nomination is over the campaign has shutdown it's page and call to delegtes http://www.campaignforliberty.org/delegate

It's now up to those of us to invite people in, and while many are doing that on personal level, I am here to remind you, there are seats open in many places, so if you really want to get with the program, you can. You don't have to believe me. Doubt me to your heart's content. DO WHAT YOU WANT. I love being on a committee especially since I am not alone, and don't see set backs as losing, as many who disagree with me here, and have excuses to not become committee members, do.

I tried to be a delegate back in 2007.

Does that count? Again, I appreciate your participation. Politics is a means, not the ends. Freedom is the goal. I am glad you like meetings and politics. I will continue to lead by example. I live freely. I study and am working locally combating local Agenda 21, the real coup, IMHO. Believe me, some people are not cut out for politics. I think it is great that you like politics and can help that way. I am grateful that everybody is trying to do what they believe is helpful. We all have different opinions and methods, though. That is the beauty of freedom.

Keep up the good work!

Check out

FREEDOM PAC that is where the campaign is on state levels.. they may help you on the committee stuff, but I went as a guest to my committee for a year, and you can go as a guest. Agenda 21 is a HUGE issue on my committee. Every meeting someone is passing me out flyers and info on it.. it's another reason we are all so ampted up about the constitution. I really think you'll like committee work. It's not for everybody, that's a fact, but for some of us, it's AWESOME. It's not what I thought it would be. I love it because I'm now networked with people from my county and my state, Ron paul's campaign holds my hand if I need it, and it feels like it because I'm not alone, so every meeting and event is like a Ron Paul event for me. We are winning, and maybe that's why the other stuff, the Benton, Rand, Tate, Hunter, bashing.. it's sore loser stuff to me.

Everyone needs to do what they want. I've been grassroots for 33 years. I'm happy to retire let others go wave signs in the streets,, been there done that. I just wish more folks would actually go to a meeting and tell me about THAT, but they don't, they tell me what MSM told them and that's what sucks for me, though, not like I can't handle it.. after all been there done that. I just wish someone had invited me into a committee seat decades ago.

I will check it out. Thx.

I am such a political idiot though I could probably slip up and call them GOOP to their faces.

Your meeting does sound fine if you talk about Agenda 21. The guys involved back in 2007 tricked us delegates out of voting. We were new to the process. Anyway, these guys were ancient. Heck, they probably could have croaked by now. And they were really mean. So I did not pursue that road. But if your right then perhaps I could give it a shot.

You could always brag about all the cool things you discuss at your meetings and what you got accomplished and you may convince more people to join. You got me interested just by telling me that Agenda 21 is discussed. Thanks.

Keep up the good work!

It's a big BIG issue

I think and hope you will be pleasently surprized, and so will they. You need some help or tips, ask me.

Wait a moment stillwater,

Wait a moment stillwater, that question did NOT damage the movement one iota. Here it is...
http://youtu.be/yrQVaiFYmcg

Ron Paul answered the question, unlike hunter who ran away with his tail between his legs

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I didn't mean that it did. I'm just saying it could have

if he started talking openly of what she thought he should. I'm talking about going beyond merely questioning the 9/11 commission findings. I was just saying if she got a full response and he went into detail about what 9/11 truth proponents often talk about then that would have been damaging. Perhaps I was mistaken to question her motivations, since I don't know her personally.