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Why do so many whine about "conspiracy theories"?

Is it a mask for not understanding a particular area? An admission of intellectual laziness? An inability to analyze or reason? Or is it a mere psychological disorder? Does calling a particular alternative narrative, or factual account, a supposedly disparaging name ("conspiracy theory") simply indicate an infantile state of mind?

Or, are some just trolls, wasting everyone's time, and trying to fragment the pro-freedom movement?

Why can't these people just answer a particular argument with their own analysis?

It is baffling. What's everyone's take?



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"Dr. NO" comment deserves to be reposted

"Many of those things. Just like religious people use religion to understand things they can't understand otherwise..."
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Well said. I just add, that the conspiracy folks have no "analyses" or "independent thinking." They have a simple dogma - bankers, Zionists and their puppet (US government) use false flag attack to enslave Americans via legislations and executive orders (since our senators and congressmen are basically good peope... except those who support Israel.) After dogma is accepted, conspiracy theorists twist facts to point to the dogma at any cost. That is in line with muslim "logic" abroad. BTW, young parrots do not even need a dogma, peer pressure would do.

For me...

Conspiracy is intriguing, I do lend an open mind and an ear to it. I also think some have alot of merit.

Focusing all your time to them, at least for me, was counter productive. I never did anything to advance civil liberties, no matter how many custom pamphlets I passed out, no matter whom I told.

Since last year, I have found a small coalition of people in my parish, and we are now working together to bring non violent offenders out of prison and back to their families. In my state of Louisiana, we have the most people in prison, per capita, in the world. If I ever want small government back in my state, I have to hit them where it hurts most, prisoners.

So while I am well aware of what conspiracies our national government may be up to, I have to clean up the mess here in my state first. If I don't and the National Government collapses, I'll only be trading one national tyrant for a state tyrant.

I won't insult you for spending time on conspiracies, but these conspiracies wouldn't be so massive, if they were confined to a smaller government. We'll never get back to "THESE" united states, until states start acting more independent. I would encourage others to do as I. I feel more is being done now, than I ever had promoting conspiracies with the majority of my time.

That is inspiring

for sure. Good on ya!

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Tell-lie-vision

Is a powerful, powerful opinion-creator. People see/hear something on TV, and it takes precedent in their minds.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

"Is it a mask for not

"Is it a mask for not understanding a particular area? An admission of intellectual laziness? An inability to analyze or reason? Or is it a mere psychological disorder?"

To a 'conspiracy theorist' it would be the exact opposite of these things. Conspiracy theories are not an explanation for the 'unexplainable' or a shortcut in logic or understanding. If a theory is a conspiracy it is a conspiracy because it takes more thinking and analyzing to uncover evidence for the theory. A conspiracy theory doesn't explain away and unanswerable mystery, but answers legitimate questions about inconsistencies and correlations of well known facts.

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to think that rich, powerful people might meet in secret to figure out how to become richer and more powerful or that they would implement plans to do so.
That to me make perfect sense.

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If I came here because I like the way people here think

and I do...
If I posted a thread and people downvoted it, I would want to know why, I want to hear the counter point.
If EVERYONE disagreed with me and downvoted me over and over and over, at SOME point I would give it a rest.

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I remember

the first time that I heard 9/11 was an inside job. It was one of my family members who told me. She went into detail about the holes in the story, who benefitted financially from it, ect. I really had no reason not to believe her I guess, but I remember telling a friend about it like she was batsh*t crazy.

Hearing about something that goes against everything you believe in, is hard to hear. It leaves you feeling a little insecure (or unsafe), which leads to denial, IMO.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

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I think it works both ways

Neither group knows how to effectively interact with the other one.

Take back the word...

I remember when it all (re)started.....

Right after the OKC bom bing Clinton was telling his *sheep in reguards to those that may say the "C" word something along the lines of "stick your fist in the air, yell, and talk them down".

It was all done in the name of shutting that person up. I mean the point Clinton was trying to make was to intimidate the subject away. A point right out of ole Mao's play book.....

*I hope using the word sheep in syntax to Clinton is not being offensive to anyone?

If so, please understand that I like to be called a "conspiracy theorist" and I still like to say "sheep"....

It's BECAUSE ALL language is still under, and always has been under PC controls. Break the SPELL. SAY THE WORDS PROUDLY!

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

My view on all the conspiracy theories thingy....

1. In the past decade or so, Americans have been slowly waking up to the fact:

a) That their two-party system is a sham.
b) They are slowly waking up to the fact that the pseudo war between the so called liberals and conservative is a sham.
c) They are waking up to the reality that Fox News and CNN are actually espousing the same message.

2. Americans are currently hungry searching for answers. WHY and HOW?

3. For non-Americans or for people not living in the US, we have always knew the truth of what is going on in the US - the Zionist control of US media, finance,economy and politics.

4. All these conspiracies such as Bilderberg, Knight of Malta, Illuminati, etc were provided to the 'hungry' Americans looking for answer. They are nothing but distractions from the REAL issue. Wearechange and Alex Jones are two examples of provider of these "distractions" to the mass American market.

5. I understand that MANY Americans especially those that currently support Ron Paul, found Ron Paul from the Alex Jones channel. This is unfortunate but what is done is done.

6. I first saw and heard about Ron Paul in CSPAN, not Alex Jones. Therefore, I dont have any "gratitude" towards Alex Jones and his ilks for introducing me to Ron Paul.

7. I hope and pray that Americans will realise that their enemy is not bilderberg nor illuminati. Your problem is the Zionist control of your media, economy and politics. Stick to that. The Latin Americans knows about this, the Arabs knows about this, the Asians knows about this and the Europeans also knows about this.

8. I believe you should take back your country using the same strategy that the Zionist used - co-opt both parties. If the Zionist started from the Dems and then spread to GOP, let Ron Paul involvement in GOP be the first step to co-opt both parties. Whatever happen from now until November is irrelevant. It is what happened POST-ELECTION is what important.

a) If you want to work within the two main stream parties = Good.
b) If you want to work within non-mainstream parties = Good.
c) If you want to work outside the parties e.g. more of a pressure group/lobbyist = Good

9. All the above strategies are good. If you see the Zionist strategy, they co-opt not just the two mainstream parties but also the lobbyist e..g AIPAC.

10. In 2008, we came together despite our differences. Post 2008 campaign, we went our separate ways. In 2012, again, we came together and now are we going to go our separate ways again?

Let us celebrate unity in diversity. Focus on one enemy, forget about the others (bilderber, illuminatis,etc)

It's all about being P.C......

The established paramitiers of P.C. communication was established years ago.

One of the most recent regarding "conspiracy theroy" to be viewed as taboo was established by "Rush Limpbaugh" and other leading MSM talk show host, with their "conspiracy kook friday's" etc.

There's many other good points listed on this thread. Add em all up and you have the reasons why it's avoided.

A great topic to study.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

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it's a derogatory term designed to stop people from questioning, or examining all angles of a situation. I think it's on par with the way terms like 'racist' and 'anti-semite' are tossed about for even talking about race issues or Israel.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Well gee...

have you considered that the antagonistic language you theorists use against anyone who dares to question your logic might be a cause of that?

The truthers on here are the dirt worst. God forbid anyone doesn't buy their theories: that automatically makes them a "big government disinfo shill".

I don't play, I commission the league.

Ever think maybe you non believer come across as assholes

that are arbitrarily dismissive? Maybe it's not that you disagree as much as it is about how you do.

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I`m 70+ years old and your government has lied to me over and

over again. Even got me to go to SE Asia to fight a war over a lie.
YES I BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT I AM TOLD BEFORE I BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT STORY ( LIES ).
Never trust your faith to a KNOWN lier.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
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Great advice!

Thank you for serving our country, even if lying warmongers deceived you. I love the elders of this movement. So wise.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Many of those things. Just

Many of those things. Just like religious people use religion to understand things they can't understand otherwise...

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I don't understand dumbasses like you but I still believe you

are real.

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Priorities

That's the way I look at it. I haven't converted anyone over to the liberty side using conspiracy. On the other hand, I've converted others by using talk of the FED, welfare state, NDAA, secession, states rights, ect. There's so many other offenses general government does daily. Conspiracy isn't needed.

Another point, You can talk conspiracies till you are blue in the face and believe them 100% as a whole. Until you get 600+ Ron Pauls, Justin Amashes, Tom Woods and Rand Pauls in office. You will NEVER, EVER, get the answer to your theory.

IMHO, your wasting your time talking about theory when you could be winning the fight using policy. Once you've won the fight using policy, then all your theories will be answered once an honest house/senate/president are seated.

The irony is that Fed was

The irony is that Fed was created via conspiracy, and things like the Patriot Act were already written pre 9/11 yet you somehow think these are not "conspiratorial." Why are you so afraid of that word? You have let them get to you. Take the word back. Conspiracy is reality, most of the time, when it comes to big government. And most people care too much about their jobs to ever make a stink abou what they know. And whistleblowers are usually just ignored by the media anyway.

Take back the word...

I remember when it all (re)started.....

Right after the OKC bom bing Clinton was telling his *sheep in reguards to those that may say the "C" word something along the lines of "stick your fist in the air, yell, and talk them down".

It was all done in the name of shutting that person up. I mean the point Clinton was trying to make was to intimidate the subject away. A point right out of ole Mao's play book.....

*I hope using the word sheep in syntax to Clinton is not being offensive to anyone?

If so, please understand that I like to be called a "conspiracy theorist" and I still like to say "sheep"....

It's BECAUSE ALL language is still under, and always has been under PC controls. Break the SPELL. SAY THE WORDS PROUDLY!

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

*sigh* 'They' got to me, huh?

Your off point and being insulting. Same way I was, long ago. I'm just trying to help you get the answers to the conspiracies.

Let's review your comments:

Fed created VIA conspiracy. Yes, it was. Could have been prevented if our 1880-1920 ancestors would have kept sound money and constitutional principles in their minds, demanded that the shady vote to create it was void, using states rights to nullify it.

Patriot Act? Same as above^

I'm not scared of the word. I know there're conspiracies created on the hill every day. Want it to stop? You have to go to step one in my priority list. Elect honest, principled candidates to house/senate/president. Secession is also an viable option.

Whistle blowers being ignored is another symptom of the uninformed populace. Converting 'Joe Blow - Fox News Watcher' with '9-11 was an inside job!' doesn't work. They have been Hannitized and Rushed to ignore it. Use subjects that will hit them hard at heart and home. Talk about current events in government and how local liberty candidates can turn this ship around. Sway them with things they already know and care about. Once you do that, they will notice how their favorite talk show hosts have been selling them up a river from day one. Mind = Opened.

As far as 'They' getting to me? I think not. My strategies listed above has converted some of the most hardcore Fox watchers in my local bowling league.
It works.

Being dismissive of someone who doesn't tow your line, by stating 'They got to you.' Sounds just like the Hannity listeners I deal with daily. In that aspect, you have become what you despise. It's an insulting, in your face, comment and only divides us and makes our movement weaker. Once again, just trying to help.

This is slightly condescending

I have mentioned on several posts that I am as anti-state as they get, yet I do not believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by our government (at least, not in the way it is seen by "truthers"). I don't think the Bilderbergers meet every year to discuss how to steer the masses.

These positions came about through several years of reading and rational thought. Every time I mention it on this website, however, people immediately assume I'm a troll.

It is not a "mask" as you say for lack of understanding.
It is not an admission of intellectual laziness.
It for sure isn't an inability to analyze or to reason.
And it definitely isn't a psychological disorder.

It is taking what evidence I have and what I know about the human condition and forming my own, well thought out position.

I feel so insulted at times that I spend most of my free time trying to convince people of the evil of the state, but when I am with those of similar thinking I get chided as "intellectually lazy" or "unable to see the truth" for speaking my mind.

I hate the term "conspiracy theory," as it has a connotation that immediately stigmatizes the theorist with ideas and beliefs he/she may not endorse. I have asked the DP community before to simply be cordial towards those who do not believe some of these theories and try to convince them, if you think it is so important, with evidence. Often times, it turns into ad hominem attacks and generalities.

In short, I am a bit perturbed that the OP implies that all that do not believe his way on "conspiracy theories" are intellectually equivalent to, say, Dan Quale.

In liberty, as always,

Nick

Well stated. Though two

Well stated. Though two people may rationally come to different conclusions based on an honest evaluation of evidence, the honest evaluation and the rational conclusion is all that should be expected of each other.

I once heard a debate regarding the collapse of the twin towers and whether it was a controlled demolition, or the plane collisions and/or collateral damage (in the case of building 7) that brought down the buildings on 9/11/2001. Both the debaters raised well-considered points and presented rational arguments, and drew reasonable conclusions based on their viewpoints. While they honestly disagreed in their conclusions, they both acknowledged that each others viewpoint was a rational conclusion based on an honest evaluation of the evidence. I was impressed by the debate and both debaters, and learned much from the event.

That said - there are enough proven and even admitted conspiracies to commit crimes by those entrusted to high office that the government should rarely be taken at its word on controversial issues. I think it can be reliably said that the founders shared this exact same viewpoint after their experiences with King George and his government, based on their writings. The government must always be put to its proof; this is the foundation of the presumption of innocence in criminal matters. I see no reason why this maxim of skepticism should not be extended to any government action that leads to significant damage to individual rights or property rights, as war, welfare and interventionism always do.

To maintain a free country, citizens must always be on guard against government abuse. You cannot have a free country for long without watching the watchers (the price of liberty is eternal vigilance - Thomas Jefferson or John Adams perhaps?). This means that if we suspect a crime or conspiracy, we need to investigate and call it out. However, allegations must be based on rational conclusions from an honest evaluation of evidence. When they are not, we risk castrating the effectiveness of a watchful citizenry. At the same time, to assume that those entrusted to high office will never commit a crime unless and until the government itself acknowledges the crime, is effectively the same as giving up all vigilance - and you can be assured of losing your liberty when adopting that mindset.

So is this a conspiracy to disenfranchise...

So is this a conspiracy to disenfranchise the conspiracy theorist? Who are you working for? Is "DC" short for some government hack from.... well uh DC?

Oh wait.."DC" is that short for Daily Caller? Is that you Jack!! I know it's you!!

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Conspiracy theories can be a slippery slope.

It has a similar effect to sacrificing liberty for security. Sacrificing liberty leads to tyranny, conspiracy theories can lead to insanity. I'm not saying some supposed "conspiracy theories" aren't actually "conspiracy fact" i.e. Gulf of Tonken, Kennedy Assassination, and 911, but if you're not careful you can end up blaming Planet X and Reptilian Space Aliens for all the worlds problems. The trick is to stay with the facts and leave out any and all conjecture. I think it's those that take conspiracy too far that give people the perception that conspiracy theorists are nut jobs with tin foil hats, laptops, books and too much time on their hands in the basement. Unfortunately those of us who are based in the red pill reality are lumped in with lonely people that have over active imaginations.
People whine about conspiracies because they are either to lazy to do the research, blinded by a flag or they understand exactly whats happening but because they know that the majority of the people out there are a combination of ignorant, lazy, don't care and are blinded by the media's projection of nationalism, they keep it to themsleves so they don't look like "conspiracy kook".

Re: Conspiracy theories can be.......

I agree, sorta....

I agree as sgt. Friday sez, "just the facts, ma'am, just the facts".

ALL facts first, that makes up the basis for the foundational construct. But then it must be followed up with all the other random dots that exist out there to connect all the other still remaining dots up properly.

All's one can do is connect em all up and when they are tied in the proper conjunction the picture becomes more clear and dots that were once more blurry become more sharpend.

Eventually the puzzel is completed and the picture becomes clear.

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Point is, it normally does take some of the conjecture also to piece the puzzle together.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

It stops being a theory

when REAL science backs it up...as in 9/11.

REAL science also backs up

REAL science also backs up climate change, evolution, etc. yet people continue to deny it.

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You know they now say that explosives was used

right.. They denied it forever even against professionals that stated on their very upstanding reputations that it was a freefall event that could have only been caused by explosives..and now someone has stated it as true. Believe what you want to but I was home from work on that day because of rain and I remember watching every single second of it as it happened. When I saw it reported that it had went down based on what I saw, that threw a monkey wrench into the proceedings. I remember distinctly amongst the tragedy I was watching unfold thinking.. "What the fuck just happened to THAT building?"

I probably would have never believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself and then to see a newscaster later in life that was recorded as saying that it had went down and you could see the building in the background still up. I believe 20 minutes before it went down... and If I hadn't had someone I know pretty well tell me that his wife which was on a base the closest to NY say that they were not allowed to scramble the jets till after the second plane had hit, long after they knew they had highjackers aboard..

We may never get proof but that doesn't mean they didn't or for fucks sake, lie to us.. No way our government would EVER lie to us. They love us too much.

It's not possible for those planes to have knocked down those buildings and it sure as fuck isn't possible for a building that wasn't hit to have gotten scared and fell down.. Maybe it just fell down in solidarity.

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