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It Passed! House Bill (HR 5912): To Prohibit The Use Of Public Funds For Political Parties.

On C-SPAN today (9-19-12) a member of Congress proposed a bill (HR 5912) which would do away with federal tax dollars funding political conventions.

Presently the RNC and DNC get what are called "federal matching funds" of around 50 MILLIION dollars each to fund their fancy conventions (where they can cheat).

But they shouldn't get a penny as they are PRIVATE organizations.

And I'll bet the Libertarians or any other 3rd party doesn't get funding like this with our tax money. It's only the 2 major parties with the control over congress.

I believe this practice started in 1986 under that year's tax code.

The House voted on this bill and it passed 310-95.

ROLL CALL HERE:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll586.xml

~~~~~~~~~~UPDATE 9-21-12~~~~~~~~~~~
The Senate Bill is S. 3257.

Link here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3257

Now we have to wait and see what the Senate does. It will be easy to tell which Senators vote against this and hold them accountable.
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Here's a link to the original bill which every American should support:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr5912/text



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What you advocate is different than the bill.

PUBLIC money shouldn't go to campaigns because that's your money and my money taxed in the name of the public good being instead expended for private purposes.

Corporations are PRIVATE entities, and they have a right to expend resources to advocate for the interests of their shareholders. In fact, they have a fiduciary duty to do so.

I'm curious if this has to do with LP and GP potentially earning

Stein was the first Green to get general election matching funds. It looks like Johnson might get the 5% for funds in 2016. Maybe that's why they passed it?

Jack Wagner

Interesting point Jaktober-It's possible about the Libertarians

I don't really think this is the case but wouldn't count it out.

Who knows what really goes on?

It's possible the Libertarian Party is getting a little stronger than the 2 major parties like and they are trying to head this off.

But talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face if that is the case.

AND, I would think it would hurt the 2 major parties (by ending federal matching funds) a lot more than it would help the Libertarians.

So I tend to think this is an honest effort by the sponsor of the bill to quit funding political parties with tax money.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

$50 Million?

Probably what Romneys high powered attorney received for his actions against our Liberty Movement.

I'll jump for joy when they disallow the corporate/lobbyist money in politics. Only then will there be even a chance of a fair election once again!

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

i know you hate Obama and i do to

but for that to happen you have to have some of his radical new liberal judges in the surpreme court for that to happen.

DeFazio voted for it

In fact all 5 congressmen from Oregon voted for it. This includes 5 Democrats and one Republican.

Noble Cause, But...

This is another smokescreen from the best Congress money can buy...they have nothing to lose because those tired old dinosaurs in the Senate will never pass it - once again, it LOOKS like they're doing something good...they're not.

Be seeing you.

Could be good

We shouldn't use public funds for campaign. However, we need less corporate money in campaigns as well. Corporations are definitely not people.

Don't fall for it

My reaction generally if "they" are for it I'm against it. On this case, with unlimited corporate contributions, it doesn't hurt the RNC or DNC to give up the money. However, it does hurt the LP or others who may make a big impact. Imagine the LP with 90 mil to start in 2016. .

Thetis

Welcome to the NWO

On one hand I think it's great, on the other, because I believe Obama intends to take us into the NWO, I see it as just another tool to accomplish that.

My first reaction was the same as your title.

It makes no difference whether it's the current President or another. Same puppet masters pull the strings of leaders all over the world. When any leader doesn't dance to the masters' tune, it's time for a new leader (i.e. puppet) by whatever means necessary. Haven't you noticed the trend, particulary in the Middle East right now?

I don't know but, it seems to me that Obama doesn't hate/fear the brown people as much as the puppet masters do. It is the masters' intention to take us into the NWO. I can't honestly blame Obama more than the Bushes, etc. Romney could do no differently, either. A puppet is a puppet, no matter what costume it wears.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

The ONLY difference with Romney

Because he's GOP he empowers the party and the committeess and offices. Instead of defending the constitution, we can go on the offensive against the NWO. Other than that I see no diffeence.. hell he flip flops so much... geeze.

Yes, that empowerment is the difference.

But, it won't stop the NWO from accomplishing what they've already set in motion. Without our Constitution firmly in place, the end result is the same. No?

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Me thinks the NWO is already here

Everything is a MSM facade. The constitution is not firmly in place, and that is why Ron Paul's campaign was RESTORE AMERICA. The plan is to restore constitutional government in the GOP first, if we can do that, then we may succeed. After all, the NWO is an experiment that is not globally very popular.

LOL! Granger! Did you just do a double flip flop?

You know I get confused easily. Who's on first?

"...I believe Obama intends to take us into the NWO,..."

What's on second?

"Instead of defending the constitution, we can go on the offensive against the NWO."

Are we on the same page or even reading the same book? I don't know.

THIRD BASE!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Officially

He intends to make it official.

I think by the time his four years end, which he may lose, he does not have this election in the bag.. I think there is a lot of global drawbacks, as for states that have ben going along with the program, getting US tax payer finds and loans, and they see it's all a facade, and no one really want to take responsibilty for a HOT WWIII.

They would like to make it as painless as possible, we are already going through growing pains. So if he were to annouce it, many people would not even feel it, they've been feeling it. Every time you see the words sustainable.. there it is.

(((((((((((((( Nonna))))))))))))))

Excellent.... Now if we can

Excellent.... Now if we can make it illegal for Corporations/banks/ and businesses to give donations..

Great news!! Now to work on

Great news!! Now to work on the Senate...Thx

MIALIZ

Please continue to update

Please continue to update this with any news about it from the Senate. This would be a major breakthough for us should it pass into law. Wouldn't you just love to see the GOP try its little shenanigans on a low budget?

where's the roll call?

i wanna know who these 95 are.

Roll Call is now included above in original post.

See how your rep voted.

Thanks to "Tsai3904" for the link and info.

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-Ron Paul

voluntary

The source of the funds comes from a $3 voluntary checkoff on the U.S. Income Tax form.

The effect that these have on the candidates for presidential campaigns is to strengthen the role that the party plays in raising money.

Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party (United States) candidate for President qualified for federal matching funds in the 2012 US presidential election.[3]

On June 30, 2012 Green Party presidential candidate, Jill Stein, received enough contributions to qualify for federal matching funds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matching_funds#U.S._federal_fun...

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Rand Paul 2016

MMJ Ministry: This quote from your link proves the problem...

"This (Federal Matching Funds) usually only applies to the two main parties; as for third party candidates gaining the benefits of matching funds they must additionally have received 5% of the popular vote in the previous election.

Hence the anomaly of Ross Perot standing as Reform Party candidate in 1992 and receiving 18% of the vote, yet receiving no matching funds because the Reform Party did not receive 5% of the vote in 1988;

whilst Pat Buchanan, running as the Reform Party candidate in 2000, did receive matching funds despite winning only 0.4% of the vote."
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Bottom line - Public money should not be used for private functions.

Besides, they're not conventions anymore, they're CORONATIONS with the candidate already pre-ordained.

All they are now are big fancy facades designed for pomp and TV time to show off the 2 major parties.

They shouldn't even get federal funding for security in my opinion.

Where in the Constitution does it authorize the federal government to fund private political party functions?

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I think you are confusing

I think you are confusing campaign contributions with the financing of the parties' coronation king-making shin digs ...you know the ones where they write the script in advance, have free speech zones and militarize an entire town outside.

Not to rain on the parade but

of course it passed in the House - it's an election year. The House passed it knowing darn well the Senate won't. Makes all those neocon reps look as if they're actually being 'fiscally conservative' (as if a few million means anything anymore) and gives them something positive to use in their stump speeches. It's very easy to vote yea on something you know the Senate won't pass so the bill rolls off into oblivion come November. I have strong doubts the Senate will pass this.
Let's hope I'm wrong.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Just when you think there might be a faint glimmer of hope....

Reality comes around and slaps you in the face!!!

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Sig typo

Hi, generally I don't bother with correcting a typo unless it drastically changes the meaning and is confusing. In this case, it's your signature and is seen on every post you make, so I hope that you appreciate the constructive feedback: I really like your signature, and the word "rational" should have an "e" added at the end.

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