The Blaze:‘$100 Million Question’ for Romney: Will He Do What It Takes to Win Over Libertarians in 2012?
Submitted by celeste on Thu, 09/20/2012 - 08:32The Blaze: For Mitt Romney to have a better chance of surpassing the still small lead President Barack Obama holds in general election polling, he’ll likely need the support of the growing block of libertarian and libertarian-leaning voters.
But the question remains whether Romney can or will present the arguments necessary to appeal to undecided libertarians and supporters of former Republican candidate Ron Paul, and Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson; the former two-term Republican Governor of New Mexico who left the GOP presidential primary to run as a Libertarian last December.
“It’s the 100 million dollar question” Matt Welch, editor-in-chief of the influential libertarian magazine Reason, told TheBlaze by phone last week when asked how libertarians and Ron Paul supporters will take to Romney and the GOP going into elections this November.”If you ask small ‘l’ and big ‘L’ libertarians I think you’ll get different answers.”
Welch notes that it is hard to pinpoint the direction of the American libertarian vote in 2012 because there are several different factions based on ideological leanings and demographics among those who identify as libertarian or have libertarian-leanings. Welch speculated that “among those who supported Ron Paul, I don‘t think you’ll get a majority to vote for Mitt Romney.”
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Pretty much Koch down
now.
"...should not see people in groups?"
Hello FreedomIsAbsolute... I see that you are utterly confused on what the Libertarian philosophy is... Libertarianism is about individuals having the absolute authority, or right, over one's own person and property, as long as that person does not violate someone else's person and property... That means that it is well within the rights of a group of people to ASSOCIATE... Just as libertarians want freedom of competition on the market, it wants freedom of association as well... Please, before you say something that you may not understand, do your research... And what do you mean the Libertarian party is Top down? Could you please explain that to me? Thanks.
I have read a lot
of "libertarian" philosophy, my favorite being "The Law," and I am amused you did not understand what I meant, the poster below you understands. When we have political parties, people see eachother as "goper," "DNCer," "Libertarian," ect ect. So, people who are partial to certain parties will always hold their party above all others, never mind the fact that just because someone calls themselves a libertarian doesn't make it so joe. Just like Mitt is not a GOPer, nobody in the mainstream GOP cares, because?....he has an R next to his name, and to them, an R is better than a D.
As far as the Libertarian party being top down, the party SELECTS their nominee, we the people have no choice in the matter. I don't know what you call that, but I call it top down. In any regard I will be pulling the lever for GJ, not because he is a libertarian, but because he is the only one who makes any sense who is going to be on the ballot.
Yes we have the right to associate, but that does not mean party politics is welcomed in the libertarian philosophy, in fact, one can say party politics and libertarianism is an oxymoron. If there was a libertarian philosophy revolution where everyone educated themselves, I am sure there would not be any political party, and those who wish to run for office would have to run off their own merits, not the parties.
Am I confused about libertarianism? Nope, I just think you did not comprehend my comment. I, in no way shape or form described the philosophy in my previous comment, just an excerpt.
BTW, Welcome to the DP.
“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James
Thanks... I am amused that
Thanks... I am amused that what you were trying to say was written in such a manner... And, I think we are in absolute agreement now that you have clearly stated what you are trying to say.
Yeah,
usually arguments form when two or more people discuss the same thing (or their opinion) thinking the other thinks differently when they both are really in agreement. <=== lol what a weird sentence.
“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James
i think what he meant is
libertarians judge people by their own actions as individuals. libertarians don't place people inside a certain box because of some trait that might make it seem as if they are all the same because they all exhibit that trait.
that is why libertarianism is the antithesis of racism...true libertarians wouldn't label someone based on their skin color or nationality or age or party affiliation etc...they judge based on the actions of the individual.
that has nothing to do with being free to associate with whomever one pleases to associate with.
maybe you should do a little research before you speak.
Well lonmoore07... Thanks for
Well lonmoore07... Thanks for the correct interpretation of what he/she stated. Because of the way it is worded, I thought he/she meant something else. What do you think I should research for misinterpreting a poorly written comment?
it was clear to me
because i understand the tenents of libertarianism. maybe you should research libertarian philosophy.
lonmoore07, lonmoore07... We
lonmoore07, lonmoore07... We should be coming together, not fighting... I admitted my error. I have read and I certainly understand the principles of libertarianism... I have read plenty of books... From Bastiat to Murray Rothbard... Hell, I am majoring in Economics at Northwood University... A free market leaning University... We should not be trying to see who is more Libertarian...
Romney is a liar... Nothing he says will change my mind
MSM calls it flip-flop but it's lying just the same. 1 example- He ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare. The second he thinks he has the nomination, it suddenly becomes Repeal and Replace. NO ONE EVEN QUESTIONS IT.
"Thou shalt not lie"
Also "Thou shalt not kill" How could ANY Mormon ever support abortion? Or warmongering? Etc...
Sorry... I haven't the energy or desire...
to click through to the FAKE-conservative/FAKE-libertarian ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN Beck/Blaze. But sounds like they are prepping the nation for the huge "Blame Ron Paul" campaign, when their CHEAT-nominated LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE, SOCIALIST, CHICKENHAWKING, TARPING Romney INEVITABLY loses (by design).
Romney can do NOTHING to "win" me, except to DROP OUT, publicly apologize for MONTHS AND MONTHS of cheating and recommend Ron Paul and Judge Nap run in his stead.
Brother Winston Smith
The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.
I like this one line: Ron Paul
“has been the biggest gateway drug for a lot of people into libertarianism over the last five years,” noting his popularity at college campuses.
Even if he turned around and said
... He'd bring the troops home, balance the budget, cut a trillion in spending, and phase out the federal reserve - nobody would believe him.
So the answer is - it's impossible. There's nothing he can do at this point to win over libertarians.
BS
Romney has Ron paul Republicans, many former Libertarians on committees and we are actiively voting on inniatives, resolutions and platform, that Romney has to represent, so the GOP is going to become looking more Libertarian, not because of Romeny but despite Romney.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
you must be a gluton for rejection
you keep posting and keep getting major down-votes. kind of sad really.
Hammer time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5X5zh00rdg
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keep doing what you are
keep doing what you are doing. we will make sure romney has no chance to win in 2012. www.garyjohnson2012.com vote for anyone but obamney make your vote count. I understand why you have to vote for romney but i do not have to, thank god! I will remain a republican to expose the corruption. If the gop doesn't want me to expose the corruption. I will be glad to look elsewhere. romney has already lost considering how few romney supporters are out there begging us to vote for obamney! romney has already lost. romney cannot win over republicans or libertarians. The fact folks are begging us now and the only reason they can say vote romney is no obama is pretty sad. I am waiting for someone to show romney flip floping again so he can agree overnight and oppose illegal wars,cispa,ndaa,end the fed(screw auditing)cutting the current budget but as you know. It wouldn't happen and he would have 0 credibility to even believe him. I give you kudo's for swimming in the septic tank(corrupt gop est,rnc,romney camp) I did as well now it is time to use the toilet and flush obamney grab your rain jacket and move to the side:) romney has lost.
Ron Paul 2012
Absolutely
And when Obama throws you ass in a camp, I'll be working to get you free.
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If Romney does it
You will shut your pie-hole and recall your "oath"
I recall my oath YOU BETCH
One reason the Neocons are leaving the GOP to go vote for Obama because I recall the oath, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE recall the oath we all too to the constitution as we vote NO NO NO to unconstitutional laws.
Don't you have some steps to go wave signs on? Get busy, because we're going to set you free despite you.
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you will do nothing
You have infiltrated the enemy (good for you! Really! Sincerely!)
But in your 22 minutes of undercover work, you have married into their schemes.
What happens when one tells a Revenue Generator, ie Peace Officer, to uphold their Oath?
Said Inquisitor ends up in the Gulag, with some fresh lumps upon their noggin.
What happens when good people go to the RNC and expect the Elite to hold to their Oath?
Well, we all know what happened in Tampa.
You claiming to "fight"? Please.
If rolling onto ones back and peeing on ones belly is "fighting", you may have a point.
While folks are trying to inform people of the fast approaching cliff, don't you have some boots to lick?
When the time comes for Camp FEMA, some will show folks what real "fighting" is.
And it is not groveling to the Establishment.
i wish i could give more up-votes to this post
good description of the boot licker.
I AM doing something starting last year
My Sheriff is an Oath keeper ans so is the DA.. Sheriff complimented me on my Ron Paul Apron.
Committee is already voting NO to unconstitutional inniatives, resolutyions and platforms, sendfing it back to the state letting them KNOW, if it's not consitutiuonal, it won't pass here. Chair said the state responded, was upset by our votes. TOUGH!
They keep pushing and we will start questioning them, with all diue respect to their oath to the constitution.
Don't you have some street to go wave signs on?
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You have done so much!
Please tell us all how a Romney Presidency shall be different from Obamessiah's.
Will your groveling somehow infuse Mittens with some integrity?
Will your prayers to the Elite be heard? Will your masters turn their ears to you?
How many Ron Paul Republicans are under Obama in the Dem Party?
NONE.
How many Ron Paul Republicans are forced with Romney and using the loyaly oaths to the constitution to vote NO and tell Neocons, they are braking the oaths? HUNDREDS.
Think we won't impeach Romney? TRY US.
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Here's your sign
Do you propose to tell us that a county commiteeperson can and will impeach a sitting POTUS?
Or, are you saying that when it comes to re-election, Paulbots will attempt to oust him in a Primary?
If the former, show proof that a person in your position has EVER accomplished something close to such an accomplishment.
If the latter, wouldn't it be easier to try to have a Ron Paul Republican run for a vacant WhiteHouse instead of unseating a POTUS running for re-election?
And here's yours
Committee members who find their president is acting against the constitution have an obligation to their oaths to impeach him.
Paulbots? What are you an Obamabot?
We are the future, and we will hold those to oath we took like they held us to oaths.
Ron Paul is with us IN THE GOP.
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I AM PAULBOT
Perhaps, with your super-secrety-newly-found-insider status, you feel that the term "Paulbot" is a slur.
I do not.
I gladly take that term for myself. The Establishment tried to use it as a form of derision. But, in my view, it is spot on.
Since you failed to answer the question ( a natural politician!) feel free to do so at your convenience.
Tell us, sage leader, the process you will use for impeaching Romney for being Romney.
You don't need to give away secrets from the Insider Playbook... an example of a Township Chair impeaching a sitting POTUS?
Shucks, I would settle for what procedural machinations make such a thing possible.
Through your non-answers, I am guessing that you think that you will be in a position to tell Congressmen to impeach Romney for his coming (and you know it is inevitable, should he get elected) failure to adhere to his Oath to the Constitution.
Obama has LITERALLY commited HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS... yet I see no actions toward impreachment from the GOP.
Yet you would have us believe that if Romney were elected, the GOP would suddenly find their huevos in their underwear and do the right thing to a sitting POTUS in their own Party?
Do let us speak about whom is being out of touch.
Unlike the Democratic Party taking us into a NWO
The GOP, has found itself with patriots who love America and respect the constitution. Ron paul RepublublCANs, Baldwin Constitutionalisst, Palin Earthquakers and Tea Partiers have come together in the GOP, taken committee seats and have found the oaths we took to the constitution the perfect foundation to base our platform. So in every conty, in every state, we come together and vote NO on unconstitutional issues. The Neocons are running away leaving Romney having to flip flop again. TPTB may have forced Romney on us, but they can not force us to not uphold our oaths to the constituion.
In the oaths we take, anyone who is not keeping their oath can be REMOVED, and when it comes to a president, that spells impeachment.
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FAIL
You are very good, for which you must be commended.
It's a fantastic example of blathering on, despite not answering one point of inquiry.
Why do you not hold Obama to the same standard?
Where are the Impeachment procedings for not only his violation of his oath, but for HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS?