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Can we all just get the heck out of here?

I mean America. Maybe we should just do a moneybomb to buy us up some big chunk of land somewhere else. Pick a place that is sufficiently lawless enough to leave our little square of earth alone. Can't do that here as we'll just get a bunch of Janet Reno grenades lobbed through our windows.

Maybe this is a pipe dream, but indulge a little. Make some suggestions on which countries would probably leave us alone. Closer the better would probably be ideal. We could welcome Paulistas from other countries as well.

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The US is about the least free place on earth.

Africa, most of Asia, and Latin America are all more free. It is not too lucrative to menace in the lives of poor people. Americans have per capita less net worth than Chileans now. This trend will continue. As long as our politicians and fellow citizens believe that this is some temporary situation it can only get worse. They will continue to grow government and regulations, expand police state and surveillance, demand government solutions, and increase taxes further impoverishing us. So I see migration as the best solution.

I like Argentina. Their political situation is a mess right now. But Argentines don't respect or look to their government for help for anything. I like Mexico, Chile, and Peru too. I really like Asia and Africa but they are quite far.

the only *we* is an individual, perhaps a family--

*we* are choosing to stay in our fairly remote area and support our local farmers--

and get some chickens--

and make our gardens more productive (it was a bad summer)--

yes, it's scary, but I have lived in another country far away, and while I was there the Viet Nam war ended, and being an American was a scary thing--

(I wasn't in Viet Nam, and I wasn't in the military)--

The U.S. is a huge force and hard to escape, but I commend anyone for trying to leave or staying--

it's a personal choice, like liberty.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I Left...

Obviously, I went to Canada...And although it drives me crazy to be here, it isn't a police state. Nor is there a TSA, a fascist police department (yet), drones, or a deflating dollar...I miss real food and nice weather but I have made the departure for my family...I refuse to let my kids be party to the tyranny any longer...So for the fight for liberty I send my support financially as often as possible...At times I wish I could do more to help but I just have to remember that God has given me my role...And for now it is a dad first and a financier of the Liberty Movement 2nd...

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

I've read all these comments...

and I've come to realize something. Americans don't fight back because America is not worth fighting for. Now, before you tear in to me, think about this a second.

England in the 1700s wasn't worth fighting for. Several European nations weren't fighting for, either. So, people started leaving. To America. Now, America was young and the taste of freedom was very fresh in the colonist's mouth. For someone to take that from them, they were willing to die to stop that.

If Romney's 47% figure is right, then half this nation is pretty much on the government's side because they don't want to take their hand out of the treasure chest. They don't know the treasure chest is emptying fast, or they turn a blind eye to that fact. However, in any case, we are far removed from true freedom that no one knows what they've lost and have no will to fight for it. That may change, but I think the cycle has to complete through the slavery and bondage phase. I'm not willing to wait through that.

On the other hand, if we did set up a colony, it wouldn't take long for our philosophy of freedom to create a society where people are truly free and the taste of freedom is a daily drink. Locals in the area would likely desire life as we profess it should be. There would be people willing to defend our way of life. I would just as soon not start any fights with a host nation. Of course, if a crackdown on our community came down, I feel we would be just to respond as the colonists have done.

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To heck with that

I'm staying here in the US.

Someone told me...

...that all Paul supporters/liberty lovers should all move to one area in one state, run the entire area as it should be and let it continue to spread. All of us would run the entire town in a manner without needless laws and regulations leading to business prosperity and personal freedom. Of course we would have to deal with Fed laws, but can you imagine if we just started with one town! How awesome.

If it not be possible though, yeah, I do wish for another place that has no one intruding in our lives. However, our roots are about freedom and this may be the only place to rekindle that.

Just saw it referenced a few posts down as well

check it out.

Someone posted a link a while back

They were trying to get commitments for people to all move within a certain period of time. They decided on New Hampshire since it had the best head start. Should be able to find it through google.

I will be in NH Sunday for the races - want me to pick you up a local paper so you can browse the classifieds- LOL???

LOL!

Never saw that...would be cool!

International trends

International trends predictor, Gerald Celente, knows full-well what is coming and he finally decided to buy a house in the United States to sit it out and help with the good fight right here at home. If anyone knows about the situations, both politically and economically around the world, it's Gerald Celente. He settled on a historically important home from the Revolutionary Period. Good choice!

You might delay the effects by moving....

By a couple of years, but many of those other countries have some serious drawbacks to them.

The only way to get out of this mess is:

a) Build an ET Phone Home system to get your ass off this planet.

B) Bring together a liberty oriented self sustaining community here in the US that will perpetuate self reliance to what ever level is needed.

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

There is nowhere for Americans to go except...

the United States of America. I'm not an American (I'm British) but I believe whatever America does, it will affect the entire world.

You might think, "heck, maybe I just go to Thailand or some Latin America countries and be free from US intervention." FYI, there is no place in this earth that is not influenced by the US (political/economy/media).

The primary reason I support Ron Paul is because he espouse the idea that America must not interfere with foreign nation either militarily or economically. Just leave other countries alone and focus developing your own country.

The main problem with your country is that you are being controlled by the Zionist in the media, economy and politics. I doubt you can do anything with the first (media) because this people have lots of money. However, you can take back your politics back.

By imitating the same strategy used by the Zionist. The Zionist started from the Dems and then they spread and co-opt the GOP. The liberty movement started by Ron Paul in the GOP and it SHOULD spread out to the other parties as well - co-opt them all.

I have mentioned this is other threads and comments as well. Whoever wins the November election is irrelevant! The POST-EPECTION strategy is what matters.

a) If you want to work within GOP or Dems, go ahead.
b) If you want to work with non-mainstream parties like Lib/Green/Constitution/etc, go ahead.
c) If you want to work outside the political system, go ahead.
d) If you want to work as a pressure group/lobby group, go ahead.

All the above strategies are good ideas. Stop all these senseless b*tching and whining and focus on our true enemy.

There is no place to go. You

There is no place to go. You have to make a stand. For all those of you who feel you must leave because you do not have the guts to fight, You will not be welcomed back since me and others like me had to do all the dirty work.

What about those of us who cannot fight?

I have no husband, family, or support system and my health is bad. If I stay, I will very likely be killed or put in a camp to die. Would you really begrudge people like me for wanting to leave under such circumstances?

I wouldn't begrudge you,

it is a personal decision, with no right are wrong answer. Many of our ancestors came from other countries who were always fighting. They came here to get away from the fighting and so, if you think you would be better somewhere else go and Good luck.

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As bad as things are getting

As bad as things are getting I don't know of another country that is better right now. I think the free state project in New Hampshire is worth considering especially if you are young and single. All you would have to do is get in the car and drive there. If it doesn't work out you could drive back home.

Colonize Mars! (j/k of

Colonize Mars!

(j/k of course)

Unfortunately not...

The government confiscated my passport while they stage a full scale robbery of my entire estate. They claim I broke a law but will not show or tell me which one.
Oh, they also removed my 2nd amendment "inalienable" right to possess any form of lethal weapon... Isn't THIS exactly WHY the founders made sure to include an inalienable right to have a firearm? To stop this kind of TYRANNY ? !!

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

Leave that police state...

Even if your out on bail...Just go...Send off for a lost passport on an expedited order...You don't owe anyone your time...

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

Liberty Island?

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/geraldo-island-b...

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Nah.. when the economy crashes..

I think a few states will split off.. I've bought land in one of them.

Most of all though, there will be chaos to a degree..under the cover of that.. Well let's just say.. I know a few people that will be remembered, if you know what I mean.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

there is no more "away"

... you cannot escape this global tyranny. The US military is now the World Government Military with close to 900 known bases around the globe and untold more private corporate military bases, underground and undersea bases, just-announced 352 Billion dollar nuke upgrades, armies of drones and robots, chimera super-soldiers, biological androids, biological plagues, binary weapons, space-based weapons, earthquake weapons... the fight is here and now.

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I completely concur, I'd only add :

I completely concur, I'd only add :

ESPECIALLY here, and ESPECIALLY now,

in fact.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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How about...

How about...

standing firm and long enough to bring the TRAITORS THE HECK BEFORE A RESTORED CONSTITUTION's Justice ?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

No sense in moving away.

If we want a free country, we have to work for it. I truly believe, that if America breaks the hold of the Elites, the world will follow suite.

It's been tried with Israel, and it didn't work

too well.

Wrong Idea

I think that you have the wrong idea. Tyranny can not be run from. The founders tried it. Look where it has come home to roost! We have no choice but to face the tyranny head on. That is the only way victory can be achieved. There is a problem though and it is the reason that revolution is the only answer here. The problem is that many, if not all, tyrants will be incapable of reason. Their ideas are as concrete as the laws on the books today to them. They will defend their dying ideas till the end when we freedom seeking people sweep them aside like dead leaves on the lawn. Look at the evidence!
Iraq policy
Afghanistan policy
Cannabis policy
Spending and Budget policy
Education policy
Medical policy

The answers, to these people, come in the form of legislation. As little as I enjoy quoting the bible I must bring from it a message that "no law ever made a better world. Only the hope of better times changed them." That is not an exact quote but I think the message matters. Tyrants use law. Informed individuals use reason. Freedom loving crusaders need to use force or there will be none of us left. Remember the depopulation agenda is in full swing. Iran is the last domino to fall before nuclear war. Revolt or die!

If you run, they will engulf all that stands around you eventually.

SPOT ON !

except for your Bible reference...unless very loosly paraphrased.. I'd like to know where you (or anyone) might find that concept or reference in the Word.

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

I just read a piece about how

I just read a piece about how Argentina is probably going to go on sale again. This happened about a decade ago and if you had cash you could've bought big ranch land for pennies on the dollar. It would be kinda cool to have 50 to 100 libertarians pick up a 100,000 acre ranch (or more) in the wine region. I hear Mendoza is nice

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Wrong Idea

I think that you have the wrong idea. Tyranny can not be run from. The founders tried it. Look where it has come home to roost! We have no choice but to face the tyranny head on. That is the only way victory can be achieved. There is a problem though and it is the reason that revolution is the only answer here. The problem is that many, if not all, tyrants will be incapable of reason. Their ideas are as concrete as the laws on the books today to them. They will defend their dying ideas till the end when we freedom seeking people sweep them aside like dead leaves on the lawn. Look at the evidence!
Iraq policy
Afghanistan policy
Cannabis policy
Spending and Budget policy
Education policy
Medical policy

The answers, to these people, come in the form of legislation. As little as I enjoy quoting the bible I must bring from it a message that "no law ever made a better world. Only the hope of better times changed them." That is not an exact quote but I think the message matters. Tyrants use law. Informed individuals use reason. Freedom loving crusaders need to use force or there will be none of us left. Remember the depopulation agenda is in full swing. Iran is the last domino to fall before nuclear war. Revolt or die!

If you run, they will engulf all that stands around you eventually.