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Just Got A Call From Kurt Bills Campaign HQ

I don't even live in Minnesota....
But before I left for Tampa I read a letter from Ron Paul that I received in the mail.
Dr Paul was asking me to donate to Kurt Bills.

Tonight as I was re-exploring the DP...the phone rang.
On the other end was a campaign worker requesting "support" for Kurt's campaign....the fella's name was Jacob.
I mentioned my request letter from Dr Paul and explained how I was "catching up" on things since returning home, how I did recall Dr Paul's endorsement and how I would be viewing the Bills Website.

Jacob mentioned how he'd been a Ron Paul Campaigner, and I wished him a good day.
I probably would have gone straight to the website and clicked the "donate button"...but I had reviewed "Sovereign Janice's Candidates Listing"...and guess what?
NO KURT BILLS?
This prompted me to research DP Topics re: Kurt Bills.
There were many....and then I came across this one:
http://www.dailypaul.com/250420/kurt-bills-flip-flops-puts-s...
Quite different from previous posts...so I clicked here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/253287/kurt-bills-campaign-responds...

So here I am...and here's the "Topic for Discussion":
To Donate or NOT to Donate.....That is the question.
Your input is welcome on this, thanks DPers!

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Donations - Questions??

This has to be your decision. If you did not have doubts, you would not be questioning your decision.

I had no question when Dr. Paul requested his "last" money bomb. I had no question when Dr. Paul asked for an additional $350,000 after the last money bomb. Now I find there is over 2 million still in the campaign fund. NOW, I have QUESTIONS!!!!! Why were we asked for more money, and why was it not used to elect Dr. Paul.

I, as you already know from our discussion yesterday, believe the endorsements for Romney by our own people, before Tampa, encouraged the GOP and RNC to dump on us before and during Tampa, because they thought the rest of us would fall in line and support Romney also.

Endorsements matter! They are designed to influence public opinions and votes. As we have discovered, Rand did not vote for us in Tampa. If endorsements do not matter, certainly actions do! The "all for one, and one for all" that the Bill's supporters are asking for, is a twisted argument, in light of Bill's endorsement of Romney.

Bills has already received money from the Liberty Pac. If he still needs money, I suggest he get it from the liberty minded Minnesotians who know him better than we do.

If you can afford to donate and you feel that Bills will

actually take the oath of office seriously and help our cause, and if you really feel that you are able and willing to donate, then go ahead. Got any doubts about any of all that? Then don't.

I wouldn't hold that Willard endorsement against Bills, though. It's how the game is played and you know that, Danton. Between him and Rand, it seems to be the new game plan to advance our cause. Appearances can be deceiving. So, ya gotta wonder, when the curtain closes in the voting booths, were those public endorsements the Hawaiian good luck sign...?

http://www.dailypaul.com/239519/rand-pauls-hawaiian-good-luc...
is a great post! Maybe if more DPers read it, they will understand about those "endorsements". LOL

Maybe your debit card incident had something to do with somebody who saw the number on a receipt in Tampa? Not saying the campaign didn't do something they shouldn't have but, how did they get your acc't number? Like I said, any doubts, then don't do it.

Hawaiian Good Luck Sign

Yes Nonna...so few actually read and comprehended the premise inferred/illustrated/put forth in that post.

WE ARE THE FUTURE....but what will most do to secure liberty and root out the bums we currently have in office?

How far will they go?....It is a perplexing scenario.

The French "Underground" in WW2 didn't achieve their goals by worrying about being stealth...they would do ANYTHING.

There's an old expression that comes to mind:
"FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE"....sometimes ya gotta get down and dirty.
Good to see ya again!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Update:Kurt Bills

It seems to be:
Five (5) suggested to donate,
Two (2) suggested not to, because of the "endorsement situation".
One (1) on the fence; mentioned the endorsement.

I particularly identified with the Gold/Silver as money issue, a good barometer, as actions speak louder than campaign BS.

I've also noticed that the endorsement "issue" is something that really affects voter perception.
Endorsements seem to generate quite a bit of negative sentiment, while legislative action seems to have a more positive effect.

Thanks to all for your input....forum is still open,and November, although somewhat distant, will be here sooner than we all expect.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

The fix

I think it is time to quit playing all of these political games and endorse those with your political views & values. And don't endorse others for political gains. This is what got us in this mess in the first place. Along with the two party system that works for the party and NOT for the people. I will be voting for Kurt Bills this time however.. he made it really hard for me to do so. I will also be voting for Gary Johnson and I hope many others do too.

Thanks Dan, and I Surmise That

...Your decision was arrived at by virtue of some very judicious thought and contemplation.....not an easy task.

And although it may seem pragmatic to some, I respect your decision.
Guess that many here are wrestling with similar decisions...trying to make their vote...each individual vote...really count.

Thanks for a truly honest opinion.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I have been a long time champion for the Liberty movement in

Minnesota and have worked hard for the movement. I have met Kurt Bills and know the people that are working hard for his campaign. You can trust that he will be a good leader that will help us if elected to the US Senate.

I have made a donation and will be walking in a parade for him next week.

A endorsement of Mitt Romney means that candidate doesn't get

jack from me.

They made their bed.

Perhaps they should ask Romney for money instead?

To me, the endorsements aren't the true tests

The candidates for office are essentially required by the party to endorse the presidential candidate.

The true tests of people worthy of support are their legislative records. Kurt Bills is a true liberty candidate based on his voting record. He even introduced a gold/silver legalization bill in Minnesota.

In order for us to win back this country, you need to look past superficial things like endorsements and focus on the real issues. We should know better.

2 Chron 7:13-14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Mother Theresa didn't feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and

tend the sick while at the same time extolling the virtues of Lucifer.

Endorsements mean something, else, why give them?

Gold and Silver; Yes!

..And the phone-bank volunteer did make mention of that, which was quite impressive.
It's just that there have been so many conflicting opinions, that I need to sort out....the Gold/Silver proposition IS huge!
I guess we will know them by their deeds, as the saying goes.

Thanks for that relevant fact...it's a good barometer.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Thanks Samadamscw: I Understand

..And can identify with your response.
Yet the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach has been uppermost in my thoughts lately.
I supported Rand in the understanding that political posturing can sometimes be necessary, as in this post:
http://www.dailypaul.com/239519/rand-pauls-hawaiian-good-luc...
And so...therein lies the enigma:
Can I "cut some slack" for Rand...yet "crucify" another candidate for the same act of endorsement?
This is something that I feel..as a whole...this "movement" needs to explore and DEFINE further.
If we can make alliances with "We Are Change" to picket the Fed Reserve Buildings, yet not agree with them totally does that constitute a "sell-out"?
Your thoughts are appreciated.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I've heard of them, but not familiar with the "we are change"

group.

What are they advocating?

Anyhow, working with someone on ONE topic, doesn't mean you are a sell-out to them because you don't agree with the rest of their agenda.

BUT, if that one issue is anathema to your supporters and core constituency, then yes, working with them on that issue would be a "sell out" of your supporters, even if you disagreed with everything else that group stood for, in-line with your supporters views.

Of course, this is academic, since ending the Fed is something the Liberty movement is in favor of, so working with We Are Change to do so, is in no way, a "sell out." (perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are asking.)

Sorry Sam

The question was rhetorical....playing "devil's advocate" to a small extent....
Thanks for help in clarifying that.

I am in agreement with your observation though.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Asking for my thoughts on a subject doesn't

strike me as being "rhetorical" but I'm glad to see we agree on the matter.

ecorob's picture

UNendorse romney and i'll consider it...

don't UN endorse romney?

you might as well go to a romney website and beg...i won't even consider you (you can get in line with rand paul)

don't hold your breath waiting on me to send you anything...

nuff said, here

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Donate, in fact I wish they

Donate, in fact I wish they had a phone from home program set up so we could all be making calls for him as well. For the people that say Kurt switched his allegiance to Romney, they need to realize that Kurt needs the GOP backing in MN to win and we need Kurt to win. I watched every video on the Kurt bills website and believe the same things he does.

Chitownjj...See My Other Replies

...and thanks for the input.
If you are from "Chitown" or Chicago, I met some great people from there while traveling through South Dakota two years ago.
They were Harley-Riders..like myself.
Are Minnesota politics similar to what happens in Illinois?
Just asking if there are any presumptions between the two states.
Thanks for your reply.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I say donate

I've met Bills and I think he's solid. While a legislator in MN, he offered legislation to make gold and silver legal tender in the state. I asked him if he's read Rothbard. The answer was Yes. Conclusion: donate.

And, if you want to verify my credibility as a Ronulan, check my other postings on the site, for example:

http://www.dailypaul.com/212599/how-my-85-year-old-grandfath...

Thanks Anon 1972, Your GranDad's Story

...is wonderful.
And I appreciate your efforts on behalf of all of us...to get involved locally.
It brings to mind my first "sign-wave" at SuperDome-USF ...it started with just myself, and although it initially seemed a "feeble attempt" to enact what the grassroots wanted to do?....People soon enough joined in.
See:
http://www.dailypaul.com/251270/post-usf-sign-wave-pics
It all starts somewhere...sometimes one voice becomes the catalyst for action.
On another note...and this one's NOT good...I got a call from my bank at 7am to alert me to an "un-authorized debit-card charge".
It ocurred at precisely the time I was speaking to the Kurt Bills phone-bank volunteer.
I had to change my acct number..get a temp card for this weekend,and
although I had used my card extensively in my travel to the Tampa-RNC affair?....I'm trying REALLY HARD to NOT associate this with his campaign...any ideas?
Thanks in advance...the jury is still out on this.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Donate

Bills is one of us for sure. Donate.

Good thing is...

Many others are endorsing GJ:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390478-NH-State-...

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The Jury Is Still Out

Regarding Gary and me...but I'm more interested in your input re: Kurt Bills and other "endorsed" candidates.
Scott Brown is another example.
What do you think about Kurt Bills?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

he endorsed Mitt Romney the other day

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LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Shocking...Yet Not So Shocking

I also came upon this Liberty Candidates 2012 "List":
http://www.dailypaul.com/185552/freedom-candidates-2012?sss=1
Kurt is on this list, though not on Sovereign's list.

I gotta admit...although Rand did the "Endorsement thing", I had a rationale to explain it; see this:
http://www.dailypaul.com/239519/rand-pauls-hawaiian-good-luc...

And I must admit: This is not so much about Kurt Bills, or Rand, but about whether we will be building bridges, but how to choose which candidates to build with?
I bailed on the local Tea Party after it was apparent that they were neo-con Repubs in Libertarian clothing.
Thanks for your timely response.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Thanks Danton

Enjoy your evening.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

G'Night LL

Think about this...and get back to me on it if it piques your interest.
Thanks Again.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!