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To the visiting Romney supporters wondering what we are doing and why.

The strategy is simple and ongoing. We will continue to take the party over at the ground level. We will replace the Neo-Con hand picks over time...all the while watching this great country crumble further...and the pain meter rise.

It is the only thing we can do as we have been screaming our warnings from the ramparts only to see our warnings fall on so many deaf ears. And thus far we have been successful...to a degree...just not enough for this cycle. Most of you who had no part in this cycle, other than showing up on primary day, have no conception of the amount of fraud that is happening within the system. Sadly, if not frighteningly, you have been led to think that there was a clear majority for Romney, that he won fairly and squarely...because that's what the news shows told you.

We KNOW different because we have been in the trenches...some of us for years now. We have seen the voting algorithms and blatant anomalies in state after state. We have experienced the subterfuge, and in many cases filmed and posted it for your perusal.

Understand that we are not a bunch of high schoolers in our mother's basement. We are legion.( edit:legion means "There's a bunch of us" and my use of it intends no Biblical or Hollywood connections...I just like it. ) Many of us are old farts, many are young, but we are all irate at the level of corruption we see and the only way you'll find out how many of us there are is by seeing the margin of loss that Romney will now realize. It is then that you will understand that a full 30%+ of the GOP's active base has jumped the reservation and is now taken up defensive positions in the insurrection mountains and will be fighting for your rights and independence...whether you like it or not.

We have been cheated, defrauded and even assaulted through the last 8 years and still we fight back. What we will never do is lend credence to our abusers by enabling them further. We are not beaten wives, frightened of the prospect of of being on our own, destitute and forlorn, with mountainous obstacles placed before us to deter any thought of independence. We are the beaten wives that have finally said "no more" and we are ready to brave the shelters that we know will be a far cry from the creature comforts that will be allowed us by complying...and thereby allowing more punches to the face and a slow sinking to the floor. We'll take the knockdown now thank you very much...just don't expect us to stay on the ground because we're fighting mad and we are sure in our identification of the enemies (those pulling the guide strings of the party)...even if you are not.

We are ready for the hardships ahead and look forward to starting anew...with even more irate Americans at our shoulders...as it is apparent to us that too many are still asleep and need the pinch of the vise grip that we have put our fingers into to awaken to our plight. Even Romney's dubious 47% will awaken once their purchasing power has been usurped to the degree that entitlements will no longer sustain them. They will wail and protest, but they will come to realize that their train drove off the bridge as it entered into town.

Personal responsibility will no longer be a foreign ideal to Americans...as Europe will be placed in the same tentitive position by the debt monsters that we have allowed to control us. It will be up to us to keep pointing the finger of blame at the deserving parties...the same ones who will be trying to sell us their collectivist solutions to the collectivist problems they have purposely created.

This whole thing will come off its wheels soon and it doesn't matter who is president for the collapse of our economy is chiseled in stone...a chisel held by the Republican establishment....hit by a hammer swung by the Democrat establishment...all directed by international bankers and globalists...the very conspiracy that you continue to deny.

What we don't have is control of the propaganda machine that has you firmly in its grips..the very machine needed to turn this ship of state from its course as so many of our fellow citizens are still mesmerized by the mind controllers and lost in the two party-one agenda paradigm of the last 100 years. The only avenue to re-establishing control over the flow of information is for you to suffer enough that you too will finally be able to see the fat men behind the curtain, pull it back, yank them from their perches and beat them senseless...certainly to a point wherein their lies will simply ooze onto the floor...out of reach to your ears.

Change will only come from chaos...and its chaos that our fellow Republicans want by forcing, Romney on us...so we're about to hand it to them in spades. And BTW, I am NOT a Libertarian (well maybe now I am). I voted straight Republican in every horse race of last 38 years. I am simply aware now...far more than I was 8 years ago. What I will not do is place a vote that will allow for the possibility eight more years of this crap when I can most assuredly limit it to four...before we once again get the chance to wrestle this bull to the ground, yank out its horns and rip off its testicles.

You should have listened to the voices of the very people we send to die in far off lands for Ron Paul received more money from them than all of the other candidates, including Obama...added together. But you didn't. Instead you listened to the talking heads blathering in your ears about Sharia Law and World Caliphates...as if houses stocked with semi-automatic weapons and deer rifles would never stand against the invading hoards of Muslims...Muslims who want no part of our ways.

Those of you who call yourselves conservatives, who claim that we are "Blame America Firsters", I recommend that you view Robert Pape's presentation of his Pentagon funded study on suicide terrorism. It is quite revealing if not down right surprising...although the past head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit, Michael Scheuer, probably wouldn't be surprised. Actions have consequences...and it is imperative that we examine the "actions" that emanate from our shores under a meme colored flag.

Then, just to hammer the information home, rent Swayze and Sheen's "Red Dawn" for a proper perspective on the values engendered abroad as a result of our current activities on behalf of "Our National Interests".

As to those "interests" and most importantly, if you are an American in support of our current foreign policy, and you want my support for the continued meddling in the affairs of others by once again lending my support to a "conservative" candidate of your definition, and if you truly believe that it is good and right to play the belligerent around the world, please answer this:

What "interests" do you currently (and personally) have in the Middle East that would require that I sacrifice the life-blood of my son to protect them? Understanding that I love my son more than life itself, please understand that you will need your "A" game on this one as I will need to understand that the importance that you see, truly "is" worth more to me and others, than his life. Let's start with your top 4 reason's (interests) that would have you lay claim on my son's life...



So many of you are all still asleep and though you attack us, vilify us and try and blame your intellectual failures on us, we are returning your ire with love...tough love. Now get to your rooms and think about what you've done.

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To the Romney supporters wondering what we are doing and why

Answers :

The WHAT :

What we are doing is : we are saving this country.

The WHY :

Why we are doing it, is : because we are Americans.

Bonus ... The HOW :

How we are doing it, is : by standing for the country's foundations ideas, values, and principles. Not for men.

We do not stand for men, though we support Ron Paul totally.

We only support the men and women, alike Ron Paul, WHO ALSO stand and COMMIT to these ideas, values, principles, all captured in the Constitution.


voting records, speeches, essays, debates, KNOWLEDGE of the Constitution and American History.

We don't care about their look, their money, or what others say about them. Because **WE** watch them AND listen to them, carefully.

And there, Ron Paul only happens to be unbeatable of consistency, righteousness, fairplay, and knowledgeable foresight.

He might have been named John Smith, for all we care, and he might have been a mechanics, this is irrelevant.

But he HAS demonstrated himself as a UNIQUE patriot, life respecting doctor and incorruptible congressman.

Plus, unsurprisingly, he is also a faithful husband and a good father it seems. This tells QUITE A BIT **TOO**.

So, please be OUR GUEST :

anyone, BEAT **THAT** or even nearly EQUAL it : and we will support that man or woman as much ardently as we do for Ron Paul.

Good luck, though : this is a bit of a challenge, but better late than never.

Do we understand each other ? Same goes for Gary Johnson supporters, btw.

Again : we ONLY care about the USA Foundations.

For these are our legacy and our future.


No more, no less.

Stand and fight FOR YOUR COUNTRY, not for politics.

Would you fight for a useless debate on a cooking recipe enjoyed by dandies only ?

No : you would fight to REMAIN FREE to cook WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THAT is the power of Liberty.

Men are mortals. While ideas and faith are immortals.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

We are legion?

The first time I read that was a bible verse when a commanding officer in the devil spirit ranks told Jesus Christ, who was about to cast them out of a poor soul, "what is your name?"

Then you say in a comment that we are legion smacks of Vendetta.

I think that to strike fear in the heart of a Christian, or quasi-Christian cult like the Mormons who follow Mitt, just use that description of us. They won't exactly think we are soldiers of the light, though. So be it. Be the Legion of Liberty. A New definition.

Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.
C. S. Lewis

As I said below...

I've not seen the movie...obviously many clips from it, imbedded in other videos. With this said, my use of the word was in reference to a "large number", much like the use of the word myriad connotes both a distinct number...10,000...or again a plethora or multitude...or a "great number".

I hope this clears up the contextual problems you were having with it as this was my intent...not to evoke Biblical connotations...nor to somehow echo pop entertainment. It is simply prose and a word with a definition that fits with my contextual intent.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Love it!

I'll be sending these words far and wide, with your permission!

"The only thing we die with is our own personal integrity!" LRH
Vail, CO
Freedom and Liberty for Eagle County, Colorado. www.flecc.org

be Libertarian with us for this one time

The infiltration will work but you can still support the remnant that always supported RP.

Texans, let's walk the walk:


I have certainly NOT ruled it out...

...as I find that I am pretty much aligned with Libertarian philosophy although the Pro-Life issue is one in which I've heard arguments for both sides being Libertarian in value. I am a Non-Religious believer that the state should protect all life and that life begins when consciousness is delivered to the entity. I believe that is at its inception/conception as someone/thing is building that body using consciousness...and it ain't the mother...she is just the material supply train and factory.

A vote for either Johnson or Obama wouldn't change a thing here...and truth be told...there are far more cogent "issues" at hand here.

If Romney is well behind in the polls, Johnson will probably get my nod.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

*opening window*

I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

If you think Ronald Reagan was the last Patriot President ...

then check out Ron Paul's 1987 Resignation letter to the Republican Party (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ron_Paul's_1987_Resignation_Letter_to_the_RNC).

"The dearest ambition of a slave is not liberty, but to have a slave of his own."
Sir Richard Burton

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Right because they have the

Right because they have the DailyRomney to go to where they can talk about his handling of the Salt Lake Olympics and other crowning achievements....

oh wait...

Southern Agrarian

Could you imagine a DailyRomney??

Ha ha, I'm sure there would be a lot of fact drivin discussions there.

but they do have

I seriously doubt

any Romney supporter is going to visit here, much less take time to read any of the posts.

That would require some higher order thinking to question Romneys' platform. They all think we're radicals and nuts anyway--and that the GOP has always believed in the few principles they agree with Ron Paul on.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin


I don't buy it anymore. We tried to take over from the inside, and what did we get? And now they have more and more power. I think the whole take over the GOP was a distraction from Benton's types.

I think that we must change the country through reason and communication. I agree with a different poster who said Ron Paul should have run third party this time. He would then be in the debates with Obama and Romney and they would be a JOKE! If Gary Johnson could get on most states, surely Ron Paul could have. He was sidelined. It's obvious to me. The GOPers want control of us and they KNOW the ONLY way to get that is to TRICK US! Because we wont do it otherwise!

We should NOT step in line! I am tired of the tricks and lies and they HAVE CONTROL!!! If Hunter, Benton and the rest could gain control of the Ron Paul Revolution, how do you think we stand a CHANCE against the establishment on our owns? Ron Paul was duped. Let's stop the madness!

We have GOT to get a new plan!

I understand where your coming from but...

First off i want to say, not everyone is meant to be a politician, i understand that, if you are finding you need a goal, keep teaching and spreading the message. When people 'wake up' they can become intoxicated by the message, and they may end up becoming a politician themselves. Our biggest goal should be to expand.

I understand if you just dont see the long term playing out yet. Jack Hunter explained it best describing the Pat Robertson situation from 1988.


"James Antle asked the question: What would've done more to advance the Christian Rights goals in 1988? Pat Robertson winning the 1988 nomination, or his supporters winning party leadership positions all over the country?"

First lets remember what the answer would've been from Robertson supporters in 1988: President Robertson or noone. -sound familiar?

"From the perspective of a Pat Robertson supporter, would it have been better for him to become president in 88' or was it more valuable that his people eventually took over the republican party."

We are in fact taking over the GoP, it's as simple as that, the old guard is on the way out, theres nothing they can do about it.

I understand where your coming from as in, i understand that you can't see we are taking over the Republican Party. I promise in time you will see the change.

"We have GOT to get a new plan!"

What is that plan-what do you propose ashleyjean78?

Before you answer that question, answer these first:

Name all the parties that have any significant power in the USA?

Name all the parties that the average voter in the USA has in mind when deciding how to cast their vote?

Name all the parties that the broad reach media(BIG MEGAPHONES) treats seriously when discussing the political landscape in the USA?

Name the primary sources of political and current events information for the average voter in the USA?

Bonus Question?

In the minds of the average voter in the USA, the terms "libertarian" and "LIBERTARIAN PARTY" most closely evoke a trigger reaction to the terms:

1. "Fringe", "Kook"


2. "Mainstream", "Serious"


The reality of the current political landscape/rules of the game/programming of the sheep sucks but ignoring reality because it sucks does not change its suckness one bit.

I respect Ron Paul's intelligence, knowledge, experience and wisdom.
Ron Paul himself gave us the plan to follow based from him utilizing all of the preceding to the best of his ability.

Did RP say all we had to do is show up one cycle and the GOP was ours? No, nor did he need to explain to the adults that it would not be easy, quick or even certain; it is common sense for those that see reality as it truly exists. What he clearly explained, for those paying attention, was the ONLY plan with ANY chance for success was to control one of the two viable parties and specifically the GOP because the GOP sizzle is most compatible for anyone that has the least clue of economic reality.

Did you think that people that have a tremendous amount of time, money, personal stake in maintaining the power they have acquired would just sit idly by as we attempt to take it from them? Are you shocked and surprised that they fight us? Are you shocked and surprised that they play dirty and cheat? Are you proposing that we follow your plan rather than that of RP?

What is your plan ashleyjean78, in detail?

What is your timeline for success w/ your plan?

What are your bona fides for acceptance of your plan relative to RP?

What will those that currently have all the power in the USA do in response to your plan-to take power from them? Will they do nothing?
If so, why will they do nothing? Will they do something? If so, what and why will their response to your plan be any less troublesome than the what they are doing now to our current plan?

Last question:

How much further would we be in achieving success with the plan given to us by RP if we focused on working that and not entertaining nonsensical LIBERTY in a day schemes?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I don't have to have the entire plan

That is why we work together. Freedom is popular. What I am saying is that working in the GOP is getting .... not much.

I think my plan would look something like developing a platform that we will NOT back away from. End wars, end unlimited spending, cut the 5 departments, end Fed, limit power of Pres., end unconstitutional abuses of Federal power etc.

Perhaps if we banned together behind FREEDOM we could get somewhere. The 2 party system has only gotten us more of the same.

The Tea Party was co-opted, now the actual Ron Paul movement is too. We NEED a STAND on what issues we demand.

By the way, you're a bit aggressive and negative. Ron Paul also said work the delegates to make a difference. I think he was duped by those he trusted. And even he said, he didn't want to control us. He said that he couldn't. He gave us the wisdom to discern.

You did not respond to any of my questions

RP stated a plan, explained why he advised that plan and took questions about the why and how of that plan.

Simple question-

What do you consider a doable time frame to achieve LIBERTY?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

If you think the GOP is controlled, third parties have no chance

Third Party organizations have no chance to move forward, the GOP and Democrat parties make it so that no third party can win.

Taking over the GOP is a cake walk compared to trying to win with a third party. The ballot access requirements and legal costs are incredible. While the GOP and Dems are manipulating the sheeple, third parties waste their time getting signatures to get on the ballot. By the time a party is officially on a state ballot, no money or time to win over voters who usually have no clue why that party stands for. When is the last time you heard a sheeple program like the Today Show mention the Libertarian Party - maybe once every 3 years - a laugher.

If you really want to start a 3rd party, you would have to infiltrate the GOP or Democrat Party at least 40% of the way, then in mass through the media, national committee members, candidates, elected officials break off from the party to start a new party. It's the only way. Any state GOP organizations controlled by us would have to disaffiliate and take the Republican name with them for that state.

yes, I know the argument

And I have been going along.. Until NOTHING happened. What a laugh the convention was. They beat us up at many state conventions. I know that if we had gone third party.... things would be different.

For me... it is clear. Plus us into the system and we will die of frustration. That is the goal.

Isn't it why we all loved Ron so much. He broke boundaries, cut through stereotypes, ignored the BS!

We don't need a new third party. HE was Libertarian.. Why can't we try. it's a new day. A new generation! We are the rEVOLution!



it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

We are beaten wives...

..who have found our resolve AND the matches.

So go ahead, go back to sleep.

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...Lorena Bobbit just came to mind (shudder).

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

"We are legion..." Please

"We are legion..."
Please stop this lame V For Vendetta shit. It is a damn movie based on a comic book. Yeah Guy Fawkes was a real dissident but leave the Hollywood crap at home.

Southern Agrarian

Life imitates Art, my friend

and viceversa.

Does it get the point across? Yeah it does.

Also, unfortunately this society is so entertainment driven that sometimes Art is required to plant the seed of an important message. Movies like "1984" and even the Matrix movies apply to the masses who have yet to take the red pill and unplug from an induced life-long coma.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Sorry but I've never seen the movie...

I simply read a lot...

next time I'll say "There's a whole bunch of us..."

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

No, don't change it. Call it what it is.

I did see that movie and it was the furthest thing from my mind when I read the term "legion" your post. Great post, btw.

Keep speaking clearly and often with the truth. And yes, we are legion! Don't let people with limited experience change your thinking, Fedup. Express yourself!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Thanks Nonna...

And I have no intention of changing it. I write it as I think it. I was simply being facetious in the face of assholeiness.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Problems with the English language much?


1: the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3000 to 6000 foot soldiers with cavalry
2: a large military force; especially : army 1a
3: a very large number : multitude
4: a national association of ex-servicemen

#3 we are qualified as there are numbers well over 9 million just as GOP voters (Doug Wead) not counting all the Independents and disgruntled Democrats.

There was nothing wrong with the usage by the OP. You can remove the stick now.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul


I'm tired of people trying to justify internet memes in real life. We had an ass-hat at the Texas convention get up on the mike on the last day and say "We are legion, expect us" then he ran out of the auditorium like a little kid. It was an embarrassment to the other RP delegates in attendance. The ever so popular cat call for the collective hive mind of the internet, Anonymous and 4chan, do not have a place in adult discussions. I have a great disdain for people that latch onto movies as well and say, "OH this movie changed my life forever... I quote Fight Club religiously". These are nothing more than my opinions.

Southern Agrarian