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The Problem With Jesse Ventura

There is a lot to like about former pro wrestler and Minnesota Governor Jesse Venture. He speaks his mind. He is independent, smart and supports Ron Paul and Gary Johnson openly.

Jesse has identified in his new book one of the roots of our problems-the two gangs that run this country-Democrats and Republicans.

When someone speaks intelligently and passionately about a problem and identifies its source we listen attentively.

Identifying issues however, is only half the story. Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader, like Jesse, also correctly place the blame where it belongs-a corrupt government. These three men are to be admired for their outspoken and forthright criticisms.

Where Jesse, Ralph and Dennis differ from liberty minded people like Ron Paul is they see a corrupt big government and want to replace it with a responsible honest big government that taxes and regulates.

Liberty minded people realize that a large government and taxes are inherently corruptible and evil.

In Jesse's latest book (which I haven't finished)he waxes nostalgically of a time when the top tax rate was 90% during the Eisenhower era and everything was just fine and the middle class was prosperous.

You'd never hear Ron Paul speak wistfully of those golden tax rates!

Jesse has my respect for having intelligence and courage and he is worth listening to. But his message is not all about liberty, its about removing corruption from government.

I suppose that's a good place to start on the road to liberty.

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I don't agree with everything he says

but we really could use 1 term of Ventura. OR maybe a high level cabinet position.
It would take all of 100 days for him to flush the truth out of that place.
He does have some big government tendencies. He needs to know that he won't be running the ship forever, and his big government ideas would bite us all in the ass later.

Jesse is all over the place

Jesse is all over the place in his new book. He makes a lot of good points but there are several topics where I can't agree with him. I love seeing him in interviews going after the Dem-Rep duopoly. He does think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy which hurts his credibility. I hope he runs in 2016 and gets enough national attention to call out the two party corruption on a national stage. However the media will tear him up if ever becomes a political threat.

The media can rip up guys like Ross Perot and Jesse

because they can come across as a little kooky.
They tried with Ron Paul to treat him as nuts but when people heard him they realized Ron Paul was the real deal, articulate, well read, principled etc. SO.... they ignored him
The media would prefer jesse to make hay over his wrestling, lack of real economic knowledge,-a guy to ridicule, over a guy like Ron Paul who has too much depth to ridicule

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he's right that the dems and reps are corrupt

that doesnt mean you out law political parties

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The problem with Ventura

Simple his hair

If I was close and had a pair scissors...

hair is cool...put some specs

hair is cool...put some specs on him and he's Benjamin Franklin.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Yes he is clearly unpolished

BUT that doesnt disturb me. It adds to his authenticity.
Its just some of his view I don't like

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JV makes some good points in public... BUT...

He totally lost all credibility after the BP oil spill with his theory that the spill and consequent use of Corexit was a huge conspiracy to depopulate the Gulf Coast area to turn it into a huge oil industrial complex.

Like so many of the other oil spill conspiracies kicked around here at DP, we now see that it was total BullSh*t. If he runs for Prez, I can see his opponents playing the clips from his shows and he'd be laughed out of the arena.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

He seems to view corporations as evil

I think he doesnt draw the distinction between companies that are big as a result of government protection or bribes and ones that provide goods and services on their own that the population buys willingly

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A corporation by itself isn't evil.

But a corporation as a governing body is evil.
That seems to be what Ventura is worried about.
The oil industry is in bed with the government, hence his worry.

Jess is good to rile people up

would probably not want him "governing"

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I like Jesse, too--

but he's too much of a celebrity--

and I agree that he's not as constitutionally sound as Dr. Paul--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

in reading his book he advocates REMOVING

party affiliation from the ballots-isn't this a violation of the first amendment and the right to free association?

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an honest well meaning tax advocate

is still a potentially dangerous tyrant

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even a man with principles, if he has power

is potentially a tryant if left only to the check of himself

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Yep

Jesse's like a born athlete who doesn't train....he's good as long as the things that come naturally to him are all that's required, but he falls apart in areas where a little discipline and sacrifice are needed.

He can bluster through interviews and say a lot of good things on pure instinct, but there's no attempt to identify principles and make sure all his ideas are logical.

Good to see him shaking things up, anyway.

Nobody ever paid that 90% tax

Nobody ever paid that 90% tax rate...90% of revenues were made off the books. Cash society.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

thats right, peter schiff makes that point

all the time- there were countless exemptions to avoid the tax
the point here is that jesse seems to be saying "the rich should pay their fair share" for the benefit of the middle class
its this type of collective statism that make jesse antithetical to liberty principles
taxes should never be viewed as "good"

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There is Only Way To Look At It

The key to winning is to break the monopoly. If someone like Jesse Ventura can break the national monopoly as he did for a brief time in Minnesota, then he would be valuable, even though he is not a Ron Paul Clone.

Ventura is able to get on TV where other true independents are totally ignored. That is his value.

If someone like Jesse breaks the monopoly, he could lead the way for others who might be closer to Ron Paul clones if they exist.

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He's an enabler of the very ideas he protest about through his

views. Sure he's right about some things but he's waaaaay off on others. Dangerously off if you are looking for Liberty.

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agree he sounds like he'd advocate national service

a sort of forced patriotic program
well intentioned govt program that
leads to tyranny

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Jesse Ventura is a smart guy,

but, so is Alex Jones. That doesn't mean Alex Jones has a ice cube's chance in hell of becoming president.

Alex is brillant but

Jesse was a seal.
Jesse won the Mayoral election
Jesse won the governorship.
Jesse can get 160000 people at a rally.
HE'S GOT MASS APPEAL

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The problem is he'll probably never run for President.

The question pops up from time to time and he tantalizes people with his answer. But his answer is more the answer of a man on a book tour than a candidate.

If he was planning on running in 2016 he'd be working toward it and grooming his image. I can't see a man with a bald mullet ponytail, who never wears a suit and tie, being elected President of the United States. I say that as a big fan. It's just not realistic.

I still think he should run for California Governor.

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I think it could be the opposite

People are starving for change and his charisma is part based on his down to earth guy. He is the guy that can relate to us. Pretty much everyone know who is Jesse Ventura. Name recognition (difficult to ignore by media) Sound and looks honest to the regular Joe. HE will use his Navy Seal credentials and already know the game. I think if anyone, he can pull this up.

Good Observation

Like yourself, I do not see him as being serious about running for President.

If he were interested, he would need to open a Ventura for President 2016 Campaign committee today.

There is an unlimited amount of work to do. The grass roots can do a ton of work but he must provide a viable product that efficiently uses his time and money to reach the most people possible.

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LOL

And wearing a Jimi Hendrix tshirt!

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There is a balance with Ventura.

He has an ambience of sincerity that I really like. I don't agree with all his ideas, but his populism is okay in my book.

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It's the simple difference...

It's the simple difference between someone with a well-thought political philosophy and someone who sees things as good/bad and has general disregard for a stance's implications.

Well intentioned and somewhat liberty minded to be sure! But still dangerous because of a lack of scholasticism and intellectualism.

There IS only ONE Ron Paul - even his own son proved that.

Jesse isn't Ron Paul.

Gary Johnson isn't Ron Paul

Even Rand is no Ron Paul.

I think we have to decide who is basically a correct-thinking, liberty-supporting candidate and who isn't.

Jesse is pretty correct on most issues. Certainly some big ones like foreign policy.

If he doesn't support ending the federal income tax, then we'd have to work on him about that.

But I'd still take him over just about anyone else out there today.

This November, the best protest vote we have against the 2 major parties is a vote for the Libertarians.

Unless your state would count a Ron Paul Write-In (but most will not).

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
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