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I Pray to myself.

I am a son of god and equal to every other Man, dead or alive.

By knowing that I am a son of god I renounce the illusion that any other Man (or self proclaimed king) can exercise power over my existence.

As a son of god I do not need to be thankful for my existence because I did not ask to exist yet I do and one day I will not. Others who came before and after did not ask to exist yet they did and will. God certainly did not ask to exist, yet the idea of god persists and will because we conceived this idea and will continue to do so because that idea is our ultimate claim to Freedom from the forced will of others who believe that they are better somehow.

God is only an Idea, our Idea. God is the Idea of the most supreme.

Before you fall prey to an other Man who dares to place himself between you and God, remember that no Man is any better than you are, and neither is God because a "good and perfect God" can not make mistakes, yet we do and learn from them.

Pray to yourself for your own sake and the sake of others who have not yet discovered the ultimate truth, that we all have the potential to become Gods and once we do, we can all truly be equal and Free under the same Idea.

(I thank God for providing the mind altering substances I have consumed today. In other words I am thanking myself. lol)

P.S. I can't call myself an atheist because I believe that I am God and believe that everyone else is too.. What does that make me?

I will keep praying to and for myself to find out one day.

Peace

:) In Liberty..



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I've one-upped you

because you do have an accurate conception of God. And how his ultimate sovereignty over all things gives the lie to any worldly claims of authority over you or anyone else.

However just because you are part of God does not mean you 'are' God.

Nor does understanding the reality of God make you or anyone else 'a' God. That is the Latter Rain heresy and to be avoided. Only God is God. Not you.

But you are 'of' Him and thereby His truth may flow through you if you surrender to Him and give yourself to Him. And you may be blessed by that truth if you also surrender to His son, Jesus Christ.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Surrender? Why would I do that?

Folks seem to miss the important fact that I am an atheist.

I do not believe in deities.

What sense would it make therefor to surrender myself to a deity?

Why would I surrender to Jesus?

Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother
cannot become a disciple to Me. And whoever does not hate his
brothers and sisters and take up his cross in My way will not be
worthy of Me."

I don't know if you agree, but it looks like Jesus was not looking for anyone to obey him, or surrender to him. He seems to be asking people to take their cross in his way, to stand tall as an individual and not as a subordinate.

Here is an other relevant quote:

"They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to Him, "Caesar's men
demand taxes from us."
He said to them, "Give Caesar what belongs to Caesar, give
God what belongs to God, and give Me what is Mine."

Note that he does not say let god have what is mine, he wants it for himself because what is his is his and he claims it. This last quote is of course about property rights and he was telling the people not to pay taxes because Cesar had no valid claim to them, as god has no valid claim to what belongs to Jesus or anyone else for that matter.

We are all brothers and sisters and sons and daughters of god.

We are all gods.

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Okay, you've convinced me.

You're an idiot.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

He's right, though. You should read the gospel of thomas

Many good quotes, but especially this one:

"Whoever drinks from my mouth will become as I am, and I will become that person, and the mysteries will be revealed to him."

I don't understand why Christians always have to keep such an inferiority complex regarding their god. Each of us is god, and your kneejerk reaction to deny this is pointless as a universal progenitor wouldn't give a shit what you believe! It wouldn't need to be fellated on a regular basis by its creations. That isn't a universal creator, that's a man-made deity if ever there was one. It's easy to tell, as it desires all the things that a simple man would if he were elevated to omnipotence while retaining only a human understanding.

Read it, thanks

You fundamentally misunderstand the nature of God. Don't worry, I used to hold exactly the same view.
The OP was closer in his albeit self-aggrandising opening post.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

"The OP was closer in his albeit self-aggrandising opening post"

Your words:

"The OP was closer in his albeit self-aggrandising opening post"

My words:

"I can't call myself an atheist because I believe that I am God and believe that everyone else is too.."

How am I "self-aggrandising"?

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I'm sorry to see you understand god so much

that you're incapable of discussing him, and instead must resort to condescending platitudes

There are many gods out there.

You certainly seem to be one of them.

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I try to change people every day. Do You?

I am mine, certainly, but

I'm definitely not yours, that role is yours and yours alone ;)

edit: oh, you posted this article. nice.

Maybe time will help you..

Then again, this comes to mind:

Matthew 7:6

Peace

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What Does That Make You?

"I can't call myself an atheist because I believe that I am God and believe that everyone else is too.. What does that make me?"

delusional? But really, by the term 'God', you can't possibly mean an all powerful, all knowing, eternal personage, separate and distinct from his creation. You define the term 'God' outside all these parameters that are traditionally distinctive to the various forms of monotheism. By your definition,'God' is simply an ordinary man, temporary, flawed and ultimately quite weak... which simply makes your use of the term 'God' empty and meaningless.

But then a curious thing happens. You apparently believe praying to man is not only okay, but helpful. You also seem to take ordinary flawed and temporary human beings and talk about them possibly knowing some great mysterious truth like you - the truth that they are 'god', which simply means they are just ordinary, unimpressive and destined to be extinguished people. Ah, they didn't know this before? How liberating! LOL!

So to answer your question above, you are an ordinary, run of the mill idolator. And a rather unimpressive one at that.

God is our creation.

"But really, by the term 'God', you can't possibly mean an all powerful, all knowing, eternal personage, separate and distinct from his creation. You define the term 'God' outside all these parameters that are traditionally distinctive to the various forms of monotheism."

We created the Idea of "an all powerful, all knowing, eternal personage, separate and distinct from his creation".

Man created god. If you believe that what you describe as god exists in fact, then I am the one who will be asking you if you are delusional unfortunately.

"By your definition,'God' is simply an ordinary man, temporary, flawed and ultimately quite weak... which simply makes your use of the term 'God' empty and meaningless. "

The Idea of god is not empty and meaningless, it is actually very powerful because it plays on the fears of mankind and has been used for thousands of years to explain what was unexplainable and it has been a political tool to justify the power of kings and religions.

God is certainly not an ordinary man. I will never elevate one man to the status of being god because that would place everyone else under the power of that man.

"But then a curious thing happens. You apparently believe praying to man is not only okay, but helpful."

Not to any man. I pray to myself (title of the OP).

"You also seem to take ordinary flawed and temporary human beings and talk about them possibly knowing some great mysterious truth like you - the truth that they are 'god', which simply means they are just ordinary, unimpressive and destined to be extinguished people."

Exactly Michael, you seem to be waking up in my opinion. We can be "ordinary, unimpressive and destined to be extinguished people" OR we can chose to be gods.

"Ah, they didn't know this before? How liberating! LOL!"

Apparently they still do not because they still fall for the eternal afterlife in some sort of heaven or hell belief(witch contradicts your "destined to be extinguished people" common knowledge claim), you seem to believe that most people think they are ordinary witch is surprising for people who think a god under the mainstream concept created them, and the use of the word unimpressive spits in the face of a supposed creation by that creator of everything.

"So to answer your question above, you are an ordinary, run of the mill idolator. And a rather unimpressive one at that."

Maybe you are right, or maybe I am a son god and you are too.

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A Reply

"Man created god. If you believe that what you describe as god exists in fact, then I am the one who will be asking you if you are delusional unfortunately."

Well now, this really is the distinction, and ultimately the antithesis between us.

"The Idea of god is not empty and meaningless, it is actually very powerful because it plays on the fears of mankind and has been used for thousands of years to explain what was unexplainable and it has been a political tool to justify the power of kings and religions."

Yes, it has indeed. But that does not mean that God is merely an idea of man's creation. God may exist or may not exist. What man has done with the 'idea of God's existence' is something apart from the question of whether God truly exists. But I'm curious, is there something wrong with playing on human fears or a strong man hijacking superstitions to consolidate his control over others? Is that something that ought not to exist? Is there some absolute moral law that all these little gods are obligated to?

"God is certainly not an ordinary man. I will never elevate one man to the status of being god because that would place everyone else under the power of that man"

So, what's wrong with that? Just because you cannot be trusted to have god like power over everyone else, doesn't mean that someone else couldn't be trusted with such power. If there is an all powerful, all wise and loving personage, what's wrong with everyone being subordinate to him? Furthermore, if no such being exists, what's wrong with a bunch of little gods on two legs snatching all the gusto they can in their three score and ten? Again, is there some obligation on all these little gods not to behave this way? If so, where does this obligation come from?

You say that you do not pray to any man, then turn clean around and say, "I pray to myself."

Umm, are you an alien, or a man like the rest of us (meaning man in a generic sense of humanity, male and female)?

"...you seem to be waking up in my opinion."
How nice.

"We can be 'ordinary, unimpressive and destined to be extinguished people' OR we can chose to be gods."

I see, and you have made this choice. Now tell us what difference it makes to your ordinary, unimpressive and very temporary life.

"Apparently they still do not because they still fall for the eternal afterlife in some sort of heaven or hell belief(witch contradicts your "destined to be extinguished people" common knowledge claim)"

Well, some distinctions are in order. Certainly Christians believe in an afterlife. As for them, our present condition is indeed temporary and will be extinguished. But this does not apply to many others who do not believe in an afterlife.

"you seem to believe that most people think they are ordinary witch is surprising for people who think a god under the mainstream concept created them, and the use of the word unimpressive spits in the face of a supposed creation by that creator of everything."

Well if I had known we would be having further discussions, I may have drawn even more distinctions. One of the issues here hangs on the word 'ordinary'. If God created all mankind, then being created by God is an ordinary condition. The extraordinary man is the one uncreated, which is perfectly compatible with a Christian perspective. 'Ordinary' is not an insult, only a descriptor. On the other hand, the word 'unimpressive' was for your benefit only. I personally do not find the mass of mankind, believer or not, unimpressive. But without the presupposition of God's existence, I would find mankind to be even less than unimpressive. Mankind would be a herd of chemical sacks. But you make a good point. If man is created in the image of God, then unimpressive he is not. Now why do you believe in human worth and dignity? Is there something innate within man that carries worth beyond the merely physical?

Part II of my reply to "A Reply"

>>Well, some distinctions are in order. Certainly Christians believe in an afterlife. As for them, our present condition is indeed temporary and will be extinguished. But this does not apply to many others who do not believe in an afterlife.<<

"Certainly Christians believe in an afterlife."

I don't know if all Christians believe in an afterlife..
What I comprehend from the references made to "Heaven" the Kingdom of Heaven, etc.. Is that Jesus was talking about a state of mind an ideology a philosophy that would place Man in a position where Man could realize that all Men are equal and that Man should not bow to any other Man in slavery.
The interiorization of the ideas he defended would elevate man to "heaven" before death, not after it.

"But without the presupposition of God's existence, I would find mankind to be even less than unimpressive. Mankind would be a herd of chemical sacks."

I accept in the Idea of God as created by Man but not in any genuine deity or supreme being and I do not consider myself a chemical sack. :)

>>Now why do you believe in human worth and dignity? Is there something innate within man that carries worth beyond the merely physical?<<

I believe in human worth and dignity because we have the capacity to discuss and develop Ideas that otherwise may not have been addressed in the Universe. Questions like "why do you believe in human worth and dignity?" are a great example.

"Is there something innate within man that carries worth beyond the merely physical?"

Yes, dissent.

"Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a
small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will
live. For many who are first will become last, and they will
become one and the same.""

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Bits and Pieces

"I don't know if all Christians believe in an afterlife.."

I guess a lot depends on how one defines the label 'Christian'. Words ought to mean something definite and limited. This is not to be narrow minded, but a matter of communicating clearly. The way Christians have dealt with labeling fellow Christians who hold various doctrinal differences amongst themselves is to add descriptors or denominational distinctions. Of course, somethings are so outside the bounds of common acceptance amongst Christians that the label 'Christian' simply does not apply. I submit that if you find a self described Christian who claims to not believe in the afterlife, then you have not met a Christian under the vast majority's limits of the term. Again, this is not a matter of doctrinal purity, but of communicating clearly.

"What I comprehend from the references made to 'Heaven' the Kingdom of Heaven, etc.. Is that Jesus was talking about a state of mind an ideology a philosophy that would place Man in a position where Man could realize that all Men are equal and that Man should not bow to any other Man in slavery."

It does not trouble me to agree that he did discuss our state of mind. But it is inaccurate to say that is all he discussed with regard to the Kingdom of Heaven.

"The interiorization of the ideas he defended would elevate man to "heaven" before death, not after it."

Given your presuppositions, this must be the case. From a Christian perspective (in my more narrow understanding of the label 'Christian'), Christ did seek to elevate man before death, as well as after.

"I accept in the Idea of God as created by Man but not in any genuine deity or supreme being and I do not consider myself a chemical sack."

Of course you don't... nor does anyone else - which simply goes to show that some people are more consistent with the implications of their presuppositions than others.

"I believe in human worth and dignity because we have the capacity to discuss and develop Ideas that otherwise may not have been addressed in the Universe."

Does this worth and dignity apply universally to all men? What of those who neither discuss or care about discussing such questions? What of those who, through mental impairment, are incapable of comprehending such questions? If human worth is bestowed by actions and capabilities, then what of those who do not act or cannot act? Are they something less than worthy?

Now your talking. :)

I will take a wild guess and guess that you are a Mason. Am I right?

"Yes, it has indeed. But I'm curious, is there something wrong with playing on human fears or a strong man hijacking superstitions to consolidate his control over others? Is that something that ought not to exist? Is there some absolute moral law that all these little gods are obligated to?"

Great questions, thank you for providing them.

"But I'm curious, is there something wrong with playing on human fears or a strong man hijacking superstitions to consolidate his control over others?"

Yes there is.

"Is that something that ought not to exist?"

It should not exist.

"Is there some absolute moral law that all these little gods are obligated to?"

Yes there is and I would not call it moral, it is essential.

If we are to one day survive as a species of "little gods" it is essential that we adopt the principal of non aggression towards our fellow "little gods" in order to guarantee our existence in the future. There is "something wrong with playing on human fears or a strong man hijacking superstitions to consolidate his control over others" because parasites will ultimately turn on each other once there are no hosts to support them, cannibalism is the fate of parasites and the defense of the "philosophy" of taking advantage of others is unsustainable in its nature and will ultimately lead all of us down the road to self destruction. People who defend that view are ultimately full of hate and fool themselves by thinking that they are in "heaven" when in fact they have self condemned themselves to living in "hell".

Should we follow a path that ultimately destroys us? Should we keep grouping up against each other in order to destroy the weaker for our own benefit? What will happen when the last man standing dies?
Do you want this to happen?

"So, what's wrong with that? Just because you cannot be trusted to have god like power over everyone else, doesn't mean that someone else couldn't be trusted with such power. If there is an all powerful, all wise and loving personage, what's wrong with everyone being subordinate to him? Furthermore, if no such being exists, what's wrong with a bunch of little gods on two legs snatching all the gusto they can in their three score and ten? Again, is there some obligation on all these little gods not to behave this way? If so, where does this obligation come from?

You say that you do not pray to any man, then turn clean around and say, "I pray to myself.""

"So, what's wrong with that? Just because you cannot be trusted to have god like power over everyone else, doesn't mean that someone else couldn't be trusted with such power."

If anyone is going to be my king, I chose myself to be my king.

I have the choice and I claim it.

"If there is an all powerful, all wise and loving personage, what's wrong with everyone being subordinate to him?"

That is a very very big if, let me know if you meet someone like that because the minute he want's you to be his subordinate is the minute you decide to be a slave. Why be a slave if you can be a god? Why chose to loose?

"Furthermore, if no such being exists, what's wrong with a bunch of little gods on two legs snatching all the gusto they can in their three score and ten?"

I have replied to this above, it is unsustainable and it will lead to our collective destruction.

"Again, is there some obligation on all these little gods not to behave this way? If so, where does this obligation come from?"

Yes there is an obligation, an obligation of not self destructing.

It comes from the same place that keeps you moving forward in time and not terminating yourself now.

If you are drowning and you want to die, please don't grab on to those who want to continue swimming, you will drown and take those who were trying to live with you.

"You say that you do not pray to any man, then turn clean around and say, "I pray to myself.""

I am not any man. I am myself, a god among many gods, remember?

I am a Man, a male and a god. I am aware there are many like me.

"I see, and you have made this choice. Now tell us what difference it makes to your ordinary, unimpressive and very temporary life."

Once I comprehended the message of Freedom, it made me want to spread it, and I suspect that in my lifetime, it shall. I am now a defender of my own survival as a free man and part of the struggle for the survival of mankind. The philosophy you seem to defend leads to destruction. I want my kids and their kids and so on to have the opportunity to live and live in FREEDOM.

I am in "heaven", you should try it too, don't be afraid.

I know how being a part of a group can be comforting, but you are ultimately on your own and I think you know that. Do you really want to be the last man standing?

(to be continued..)

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A Response

"I will take a wild guess and guess that you are a Mason. Am I right?"

Hm? I never set bricks on mortar in my life. I am a painter though... does that mean anything? :)

"Great questions, thank you for providing them."

You're welcome. Now could you provide some answers?

"Yes there is." and that would be what, exactly?

"It should not exist." Okay, why not?

From me:"Is there some absolute moral law that all these little gods are obligated to?"

And you responded: "Yes there is and I would not call it moral, it is essential."

Who determines what is essential? Whose opinion matters in questions of necessity? Is that a question of individual determination? If so, then what makes your opinion of survival and its course any more obligatory than the Pope's? And how does what is essential to human survival translate into obligations on anyone? Is mankind's survival essential? Why is it essential? And if it is not essential in the ordinary meaning of the word, then are these not moral questions after all, and you are merely trying to avoid the obvious?

"If we are to one day survive as a species of 'little gods' it is essential that we adopt the principal of non aggression towards our fellow 'little gods' in order to guarantee our existence in the future."

Or so says you. Who died and made you GOD over all the other gods, and all their various opinions on the matter? Perhaps other little god's are convinced that human deity can only survive if their own royal line rules the roust. So where is the obligation on little god Smith to adhere to little god truefictions' non authoritative decrees?

"There is 'something wrong with playing on human fears or a strong man hijacking superstitions to consolidate his control over others' because parasites will ultimately turn on each other once there are no hosts to support them, cannibalism is the fate of parasites and the defense of the 'philosophy' of taking advantage of others is unsustainable in its nature and will ultimately lead all of us down the road to self destruction."

With all due respect, notice what you have done throughout your response. While avoiding the question of moral absolutes and where they come from, you merely assume a moral absolute to essentially establish what you think is necessary as an obligation on everyone else. You are being philosophically absurd.

"People who defend that view are ultimately full of hate and fool themselves by thinking that they are in 'heaven' when in fact they have self condemned themselves to living in 'hell'.

Is there something wrong with fooling ones self, and being happy in the process? Are there truths that matter beyond the mere experience of pain and pleasure? And who decides what brings about individual 'heaven' which all these little temporary gods rule? You? If so, then you are doing exactly what you say we ought not to do. You are setting up your opinions as obligations on others. Again, who died and made you GOD over all the little gods? And I really must ask, is there something wrong with hate? What is wrong with it? Is this just your opinion, or is there some obligation involved that over arches you, me, Obama, Mohamed, the Pope and all other little gods, realized or not?

"Should we follow a path that ultimately destroys us?"

Well, you have your opinions in your little heaven, and other gods have theirs... right? Furthermore, you have your opinions about what best insures survival, and they have theirs, right?

"Should we keep grouping up against each other in order to destroy the weaker for our own benefit?"

Well, some gods are harsher than others, I suppose.

"What will happen when the last man standing dies?"

Well, I guess all the hating and destruction will finally end. What's wrong with that, oh tiny little god?

"Do you want this to happen?"

No, of course not. But the question of whether I want it to happen is a question of opinion and quite separate from how to achieve the mutual goal. Furthermore, you have not provided a solid obligation upon anyone to either agree that human survival matters, or that your particular course is the obligatory one.

"If anyone is going to be my king, I chose myself to be my king. I have the choice and I claim it."

And should another God, big or small, decide to make your choice of no account, then what you choose or not choose about your own kingship matters not a hoot. And you have only told us your opinions on the matter of your own divinity, with its bounds and limits. But these limits concerning our behavior towards others cannot be anything more than self imposed in a worldview where men choose divinity. There is no obligation to keep ones hands off others. Or at least, you have not provided any obligation - only your particular set of wishes and opinions about human survival.

"That is a very very big if, let me know if you meet someone like that because the minute he want's you to be his subordinate is the minute you decide to be a slave. Why be a slave if you can be a god? Why chose to loose?"

Now here is where things actually get interesting. It is not a big if. It is a necessity if we are to make sense out of innate human experience. Man's subordinate position to the Christian God is not primarily a matter of submission of man's will. It is simply a matter of the nature of reality. God is God and man is man, and Christ is the God-man. And what is wrong with submission to a being that we are by nature completely subordinate too? What is wrong with the view that we owe a primary allegiance to our creator and redeemer? The Christian view of our subordination to God is far more lake the obligation of a child to a parent, than is a slave to a master. Certainly fathers can be wicked task masters... but the Christian God, though harsh in his attributes, is loving in His grace, adopting the "slaves to sin" as sons. Being a slave in the sense of being a slave to GOD is the height of human liberty. It is God who grants liberties as far as they go to both slaves and children (for the Christian, we are essentially both in a very real and tangible sense), and no further, despite what you believe about your own personal liberty. So the question really hangs on God's actual existence. If the Christian worldview is an accurate expression of metaphysical reality, then your supposed godhood makes you more a slave than any slave of God. I am reminded of something G. K. Chesterton wrote concerning lunatics who claim to be Christ. Rather than argue with the mad man, he thought it better to say something like:
"So you are the creator and redeemer of all mankind. But what a small universe you must rule, with angels no bigger than butterflies. Is it really in your strange small pity that all men must put their trust? Is there no love greater than yours? How much happier you would be, how much more of you there would be if the hammer of a higher God could smash your small cosmos, scattering the stars like spangles and leaving you in the open, free like other men to look up, as well as down."

I asked: "... if no such being exists, what's wrong with a bunch of little gods on two legs snatching all the gusto they can in their three score and ten?"

And you wrote: "I have replied to this above, it is unsustainable and it will lead to our collective destruction."

So says you. Again, who died and made you God over all the other gods?

I asked: "Again, is there some obligation on all these little gods not to behave this way? If so, where does this obligation come from?"

And you wrote: "Yes there is an obligation, an obligation of not self destructing."

Who established this as an obligation? Is there some authority involved? Is there some eternal justice meted out upon those who violate this obligation? Who is the judge in regard to this obligation?

"It comes from the same place that keeps you moving forward in time and not terminating yourself now."

Hogwash! I may choose to terminate my neighbor to enrich myself. They do not flow from the same place. You are a riot!

"If you are drowning and you want to die, please don't grab on to those who want to continue swimming, you will drown and take those who were trying to live with you."

Or I may crack another floundering god over the head, stealing his life-jacket and thus saving myself in the process. Hey, I'm a god, right? And should my survival mean the demise of an innocent bystander god,.. oh well, in the 'immortal' words of Yul Brynner, "So let it be written, so let it be done."
To be continued....

Since you have declared yourself God

and presumably therefore create your own truth and morality you must then admit that everyone else has the same right/ability. This means there is no truth, no right or wrong. Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone. And that is exactly the path we are headed down because of people unable to concede that there just MIGHT exist things beyond the capability of their finite human reasoning and sensory capacity. That is the fatal conceit of your pronouncement. If you don't see it or understand it, it does not exist. BUT....
"ask and ye shall receive".

I have not declared myself god..

I have declared myself a god. Do you see the difference?
I believe in the goodness of the concept of god and believe that in order for that concept to have created me, god must have created me as an equal and not a subordinate.

I am not claiming authority over other gods or my brothers and sisters.

"and presumably therefore create your own truth and morality you must then admit that everyone else has the same right/ability."

Truth is a matter of perspective. If I say it is a sunny day and you say that it is not, we can both be telling the truth based on our perspective.

Morality can be summed up well in my opinion by resorting to the golden rule of non aggression.

Jesus said, "Love your brother like your soul, guard him
like the pupil of your eye."

"Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone."

It can be deemed righteous by anyone, but it does not mean that it is. By claiming to be a god, I am claiming the authority to act and speak for myself and deem righteous what I hold as the truth under my perspective while not submitting myself to the authority of any other gods.

"This means there is no truth, no right or wrong. Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone. And that is exactly the path we are headed down because of people unable to concede that there just MIGHT exist things beyond the capability of their finite human reasoning and sensory capacity. "

What does the possibility of things existing "beyond the capability of their finite human reasoning and sensory capacity" have to do with "truth", "right or wrong" and deeming things righteous?

"That is the fatal conceit of your pronouncement."
Once you answer my previous question maybe I can comprehend what you mean.

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All humans have limited capabilities

>>>>I have declared myself a god. Do you see the difference?<<<

You posted “I believe I am God”

>>>I believe in the goodness of the concept of god and believe that in order for that concept to have created me, god must have created me as an equal and not a subordinate.<<<

Can YOU create a god? Can you even create a human being? Yet God created you. CLEARLY you are not equals.

>>>I am not claiming authority over other gods or my brothers and sisters.<<<

Perhaps you would be more easily understood if you provided a definition/powers of the god that you believe you are. God is the legitimate authority.

>>>>"and presumably therefore create your own truth and morality you must then admit that everyone else has the same right/ability."
Truth is a matter of perspective. If I say it is a sunny day and you say that it is not, we can both be telling the truth based on our perspective.<<<

No. That is moral relativism. Truth does not depend on perspective, what “is” is, or the current fashion. 2+2=4. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Lying is wrong, stealing is wrong, murder is wrong. Brainwashing children is wrong…even when done for the “greater good”. In your POV there is no right or wrong, truth or lie.

>>>Morality can be summed up well in my opinion by resorting to the golden rule of non aggression.<<<

Since you define your own morality, others must be free to do the same. Supose they do not accept the NAP and believe as a smarter god than you they have the right to enslave you. Would they not be just as correct as you?

>>>>Jesus said, "Love your brother like your soul, guard him like the pupil of your eye."<<<

Correct.

>>>>>"Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone."
It can be deemed righteous by anyone, but it does not mean that it is.<<<<

By what authority could you claim it is not?

>>>> By claiming to be a god, I am claiming the authority to act and speak for myself and deem righteous what I hold as the truth under my perspective while not submitting myself to the authority of any other gods.<<<<

You claimed you are God. You claim the right to define your own truth while obviously inadequate to do so (no insult intended, all humans are inadequate in this regard) and do not recognize legitimate authority, only your own. You have to allow others the same right as you have asserted, only don’t be surprised when you don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities.

>>>>"This means there is no truth, no right or wrong. Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone. And that is exactly the path we are headed down because of people unable to concede that there just MIGHT exist things beyond the capability of their finite human reasoning and sensory capacity. "
What does the possibility of things existing "beyond the capability of their finite human reasoning and sensory capacity" have to do with "truth", "right or wrong" and deeming things righteous?<<<

Your capacity to reason and to perceive is limited. A simple dog whistle proves this. There are things you cannot see, feel, understand, know. Yet you think you can define “your own” truth. As a flawed human you are not competent to decide right and wrong, some things are written in our hearts by God. This is why there is a near universal human understanding (except among state worshippers) that lying, stealing, killing, coveting, etc. are wrong. You instinctively understand that the Golden Rule is good and believe that you decided this on your own when survival of the fittest is inconsistent with the Golden Rule.

>>>>"That is the fatal conceit of your pronouncement."
Once you answer my previous question maybe I can comprehend what you mean.<<<<

I mean that it is arrogant and egotistical to believe that you have the same capacity as God to define truth and morality. This comes from living in a materialist paradigm where nothing that isn’t “scientifically” proven exists and the spiritual/moral realm is considered simply subjective.

Reply Part I

>>>>I have declared myself a god. Do you see the difference?<<<

>>You posted “I believe I am God”<<

If you are going to quote me, please use everything I said:

"I believe that I am God and believe that everyone else is too.."

"Can YOU create a god? Can you even create a human being? Yet God created you. CLEARLY you are not equals."

Yes I can, her name is Sofia, other gods created me, CLEARLY and we are all equals.

"Perhaps you would be more easily understood if you provided a definition/powers of the god that you believe you are. God is the legitimate authority."

God is an Idea created by Man, no Man stands between other Men and God. God is our son and our father. Every Man Is Sovereign.

>>>>"and presumably therefore create your own truth and morality you must then admit that everyone else has the same right/ability."

"No. That is moral relativism. Truth does not depend on perspective, what “is” is, or the current fashion. 2+2=4."

Why did you propose the possibility of one creating their own truth ("create your own truth")when you know that "what “is” is, or the current fashion. 2+2=4"? There are many truths that are not true.

"Right is right, wrong is wrong. Lying is wrong, stealing is wrong, murder is wrong. Brainwashing children is wrong…even when done for the “greater good”. In your POV there is no right or wrong, truth or lie."

I would like you to think about a situation where lying may be right.
I will give you a hand if you find it hard.

I create my own definition of right and wrong and do not impose it on others. There is truth and there are lies.

"Since you define your own morality, others must be free to do the same. Supose they do not accept the NAP and believe as a smarter god than you they have the right to enslave you. Would they not be just as correct as you?"

Of course others are free to do the same. They can try and I can't stop them from trying. Enslave me? Only if I let them do that.

"Would they not be just as correct as you?" What does this mean?

>>>>>"Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone."
It can be deemed righteous by anyone, but it does not mean that it is.<<<<

"By what authority could you claim it is not?"

By the sovereign authority I hold as a god among gods.

>>>> By claiming to be a god, I am claiming the authority to act and speak for myself and deem righteous what I hold as the truth under my perspective while not submitting myself to the authority of any other gods.<<<<

"You claimed you are God. You claim the right to define your own truth while obviously inadequate to do so (no insult intended, all humans are inadequate in this regard) and do not recognize legitimate authority, only your own. You have to allow others the same right as you have asserted, only don’t be surprised when you don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities."

"You claimed you are God." That is not true.

"You claim the right to define your own truth while obviously inadequate to do so (no insult intended, all humans are inadequate in this regard) and do not recognize legitimate authority, only your own."

That is insulting but I pardon you and hope you can pardon yourself for using those words.

"You have to allow others the same right as you have asserted, only don’t be surprised when you don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities."

Exactly, others do have the same right. I will not be surprised if I "don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities" (or maybe I will LOL as there are some "crazy" folks out there that don't know they are gods yet), but as long as their " “truths” and moralities " do not trample on mine, there is a good chance we can all live in peace.
Since that is not the case yet, I come to the Dailypaul.com to hangout with others who either already know they are gods or are very close to discovering that reality.

(to be continued..)

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*****>>>>I have declared

*****>>>>I have declared myself a god. Do you see the difference?<<<
>>You posted “I believe I am God”<<
If you are going to quote me, please use everything I said:
"I believe that I am God and believe that everyone else is too.."****

It is no use trying to distract from the fact that you said "I am God (not A god). That is the relevant part of the quote. It doesn't matter what you believe about everyone else. Besides, I have already established that you must assign the same attributes that you claim as God to everyone else.

*****"Can YOU create a god? Can you even create a human being? Yet God created you. CLEARLY you are not equals."
Yes I can, her name is Sofia, other gods created me, CLEARLY and we are all equals.*****

If you are referring to a child, I'm afraid that YOU did not create her. You provided part of the genetic material that you had through none of your own doing. Create a human being out of dust. Dogs, cats, rats, and fish "created" as you did, and they are not God either.

*****"Perhaps you would be more easily understood if you provided a definition/powers of the god that you believe you are. God is the legitimate authority."
God is an Idea created by Man, no Man stands between other Men and God. God is our son and our father. Every Man Is Sovereign.*****

Gods existence is expressed by men and through men at times. It is absolutely certain that other men understand God and Gods ways better than I do, and you do. St Augustine, St Thomas Aquinas, Polycarp, great theologians. I defy you to read "Heretics" and "Orthodoxy" by G.K. Chesterton and not become a believer. I can't even completely understand the depth of theology and Christian philosophy that exists, the truth that has been borne out as time passes and we fall away from God. The family itself is a reflection of the Trinity, God the Father reflected in the family dad. Your problem is that you are having trouble dealing with original sin, understanding that all men are flawed, sinful, fallen. You think if you eliminate the "middle man", the sinful clergy, and call yourself God this problem is resolved. But you are guilty of the sin of hubris and idolatry.

****>>>>"and presumably therefore create your own truth and morality you must then admit that everyone else has the same right/ability."
"No. That is moral relativism. Truth does not depend on perspective, what “is” is, or the current fashion. 2+2=4."
Why did you propose the possibility of one creating their own truth ("create your own truth")when you know that "what “is” is, or the current fashion. 2+2=4"? There are many truths that are not true.*****

Example, please.

****"Right is right, wrong is wrong. Lying is wrong, stealing is wrong, murder is wrong. Brainwashing children is wrong…even when done for the “greater good”. In your POV there is no right or wrong, truth or lie."I would like you to think about a situation where lying may be right.
I will give you a hand if you find it hard.******

Lying is wrong and there is no situation where it is righteous. It may save a life, you might lie to keep from hurting someone but that doesn't make it righteous. I don't find it hard, it simply is wrong. You may steal a loaf of bread from a rich man to feed your starving children but it is still stealing and still wrong. I would do it myself but it would still be wrong.

*****I create my own definition of right and wrong and do not impose it on others. There is truth and there are lies.****

But other "gods" as you call them may not share your NAP and their view of their god-rights would be just as valid. You have no objective moral authority.

*****"Since you define your own morality, others must be free to do the same. Supose they do not accept the NAP and believe as a smarter god than you they have the right to enslave you. Would they not be just as correct as you?"
Of course others are free to do the same. They can try and I can't stop them from trying. Enslave me? Only if I let them do that.****

NO. They are not simply "free to do the same". Their actions would be just as moral and righteous as yours. It becomes a "might makes right" situation.

*****"Would they not be just as correct as you?" What does this mean?****

It means that your POV that the NAP is morally righteous is nothing but your opinion without an objective moral standard that says it is wrong to steal, cheat, aggress. We have seen this play out in this primary season. How many "good" people watched and even particpated in the cheating and marginalizing of Ron Paul. so called Christians who obviously believe that cheating is OK "for the greater good" or for "Israel". They are CINOs, state worshippers in reality.

>>>>>"Anything goes and can be deemed righteous by anyone."
It can be deemed righteous by anyone, but it does not mean that it is.<<<<"By what authority could you claim it is not?"
By the sovereign authority I hold as a god among gods.*****

But the other "gods" hold the same "sovereign authority" which renders it meaningless, especially if they are bigger or richer than you.

*****By claiming to be a god, I am claiming the authority to act and speak for myself and deem righteous what I hold as the truth under my perspective while not submitting myself to the authority of any other gods.<<<<******

What's with the god stuff? Why can't you just be a sovereign child of God who denies the right of other humans to act as God over you? Why do you find it important to define yourself (rather pathetically, like these insecure feminist "goddesses" and "wymynprysts")as God?

****"You claimed you are God. You claim the right to define your own truth while obviously inadequate to do so (no insult intended, all humans are inadequate in this regard) and do not recognize legitimate authority, only your own. You have to allow others the same right as you have asserted, only don’t be surprised when you don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities."
"You claimed you are God." That is not true.****

It is true, you even admitted it above when you complained that I didn't add the part about believing all other humans are "gods".

*****"You claim the right to define your own truth while obviously inadequate to do so (no insult intended, all humans are inadequate in this regard) and do not recognize legitimate authority, only your own."
That is insulting but I pardon you and hope you can pardon yourself for using those words.****

Sorry that you don't like to hear the truth but there it is. Hitler thought he could define his own morality and truth, as did Stalin, as does GWBush and the Neocons.

*****"You have to allow others the same right as you have asserted, only don’t be surprised when you don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities."
Exactly, others do have the same right. I will not be surprised if I "don’t like THEIR “truths” and moralities" (or maybe I will LOL as there are some "crazy" folks out there that don't know they are gods yet), but as long as their " “truths” and moralities " do not trample on mine, there is a good chance we can all live in peace.
Since that is not the case yet, I come to the Dailypaul.com to hangout with others who either already know they are gods or are very close to discovering that reality.****

You'd better get some bigger guns because there are a lot of Caesars out there who stomp on little "gods" like you, and why shouldn't they?

(to be continued..)

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RON PAUL FOREVER!
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If you believe you are a God

than you think like the elites. They believe they are Gods and that they are doing God's bidding, but it isn't the God's bidding I pray to. They pray to the other one, Satan. You will be held accountable by God with every single word you say in this lifetime, it will be written down in the book. I would watch calling yourself a God before you do some real soul digging, reading the Scriptures, and praying.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I think the "elites" want you to forget that you are a god.

Doesn't that make more sense? Can't they take better advantage of you if you think you are not equal to them?

BTW, what part of I am an atheist did you not comprehend?

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The elites want you to be an atheist

so they win, you lose. Dig deeper friend.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

If what they want..

happens to coincide with who I am, I will not change myself for the sake of contradicting their will.

I own my actions.

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I try to change people every day. Do You?

Their will is to have you bow to Satan

and the Antichrist. You will bow it seems when the time comes. If their will coincides with yours, you are in serious trouble when it comes to eternity. If you are ok with believing you came from a monkey and that you are a mistake that just happened to plop on the earth, then that is your choice.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I happen to agree with Jesus.

"Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'" Then the devil left Him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him. "

Have you been paying attention?

Isn't Jesus telling us to serve only god (to only submit to god)?

Why would I bow to authority?

"If their will coincides with yours, you are in serious trouble when it comes to eternity."

What do you mean?

"If you are ok with believing you came from a monkey and that you are a mistake that just happened to plop on the earth, then that is your choice."

Did I say anything about monkeys, why are you talking about monkeys? Why would you think I believe I am a "mistake that just happened to plop on the earth"?

"then that is your choice." Cool, it's nice to know I finally have a choice. :)

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I try to change people every day. Do You?

You will either serve one or the other

and that is the choice you have. You will either serve the Lord or you will serve Satan, there will be no in between. The Bible states you cannot be lukewarm or you will be spit out. In the endtimes when God stops holding back Satan and let's him move with full force you will either be thoroughly righteous or thoroughly wicked. You may have a semblence or morality in your life right now but when Satan is not held back you will become a different person. The Bible states that you will either be sealed, meaning in the end you achieved the full character of Christ while in the world or you will be thoroughly wicked. I know you will not believe nor comprehend this, but if you study Scripture it is exactly what it says.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

LOL

Good luck with that.