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Why Adam Kokesh is Disingenuous

UPDATE: In a recent video, Adam Kokesh is expressing 'outrage' (and repeating the angle from Reason.com) at a recent comment made by Rand Paul at a Republican dinner in Iowa.

"I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot."

Adam claims that this is an insult to all libertarians. Adam, the same man who put out a video entitled: Smoking DMT is libertarian and, at least, 4 other videos showing himself engaging in illegal drug use.

http://youtu.be/iJm8plvlNBE

You have to ask yourself, are Adam Kokesh and his followers even likely voters in a Republican primary? This has been going on for a long time and the whole line of attack seems to be based on bad sources. See: http://www.dailypaul.com/285658/rand-paul-did-not-say-that

(9/2012) Hear me out on this. Here is why Adam Kokesh is disingenuous. Adam has been on a rampage lately attacking the defunked Ron Paul campaign staff and other organizations like Campaign for Liberty and YAL.

No doubt, there are criticisms to make, but Adam has some very clear ulterior motives. I'd like you to take note of his comments at the 5:58 minute mark in his recent video: (Warning, filled with profanity) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUNVIXrB6dw

Among other things, he opposes "making phone calls to the congressional switchboard to lobby your representatives to be 'good little oppressors.'"

Now, I get it, and it's mildly funny, but Adam is a pure anarchist at heart and most of us are not. That doesn't mean that I want to silence his voice or that we should never listen to Adam's reasoning, (I enjoyed his recent debate with the Amazing Atheist.) but it does mean that I recognize that he has an agenda that is contrary to most of the work of Dr. Paul. Auditing the Fed and Ending Foreign Aid are big projects that many organizations are working on right now. I say it's a shame for Adam to use his rhetorical skills to attempt to tear down the hard work of Ron Paul on these projects.



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Adam is starting to remind me of a certain anarchist from the 1960s and 70s. Not sure what to make of it.

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yes

"You have to ask yourself, are Adam Kokesh and his followers even likely voters in a Republican primary?"

Actually yes.

I don't know that much about Kokesh but these kind of statements by Rand are intended to make him seem less like his father in order to gain the support from the Santorum/Romney type of Republicans. It is what it is. You have to call a spade a spade.

I for one didn't join the R party and become a PCO with automatic delegate votes in order to tow the party line and vote for someone who doesn't take a principled stand for what is right, and frankly marijuana legalization is the right thing to do.

I'm rooting for Adam

He's a brave guy. He's got my respect, even if we have some different opinions on things. He's living young and wild and free. What's not to love?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

have to agree

I disagree with Adam on a lot of things, but not this. This is exactly what we need, you can't arrest 4,000 people without some kind of change. Cody Wilson just did this exact thing with the liberator, he made them choose. Now DC will choose as well.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Most Anarchists Perceive Voting as Illegitimate

Larken Rose, Stefan Molyneux, and Adam Kokesh rightly describe voting in the following way.

Voting is like a coin toss that determines whether or not you will be a slave. To participate in the coin toss is to validate and give legitimacy to the process.

I agree with this analogy. But it is hard to step away from popular politics. We have always wanted to change the system by getting the right people in; it is really hard for me to turn away from that idea.

Even if you don't vote, and even if you believe that voting is illegitimate... Politics still has a purpose. Politics can still be a stage. We can still use the political stage to educate people; like Ron Paul did.

More people are aware of the ideas of liberty because of Ron Paul's political activity. So did it EVER MATTER whether or not YOU VOTED for Ron Paul? And did it ever matter WHAT POLITICAL OFFICE Ron Paul held?

Ron Paul's real legacy is definitely not in legislation, it is in education.

I have to agree with Adam on this one

Rand is walking a slippery slope with commentary like that. While I don't prescribe all the activist activities that Kokesh pursues, he is right about many things and this is one of them.

Doing DMT is something I won't do, but on the other hand I didn't see him running around naked at any time whether on dmt or pot or not. Which, I would say makes your thread disingenuous. Adam was replying to a broad brush stroke put up by Rand and you pointed out a brush line and called it fully covered.

Sorry if you take this as an attack, it's mostly an observation. It's funny how people can stand for playing nice nice, joining the R's, then come back to denigrate the actions of other people that promote Liberty in ways they don't want to take part in. Yet, want to play nice nice with the enemy. Sad really.

Your point seems to be

that Adam Kokesh is disingenuous because he's an anarchist, which doesn't make sense to me. Just because he doesn't run around telling everyone to vote Republican, doesn't mean he's disingenuous. If he did that, but in his heart/head didn't feel that would the 'right' way to go, *that* would be disingenuous.

Some of his actions and his choices of words have left me scratching my head (his more recent interviews show a big improvement in his delivery, IMO), but I don't think he's a phoney. Of course I could be wrong, so meh.

Also, many here have attacked members of the Paul campaign as well; Adam was definitely not alone on that.

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All things considered...

Adam can further the debate on an educational front but I believe he will drive more voters away from any candidate he is near...so him disowning Rand/Ron Paul is a win/win for winning elections.

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"If you’re into political activism, at least for Ron Paul if not for anyone else, I strongly recommend spending some time with iroots.org." - Tom Woods

Update on Adam Kokesh

You have to ask yourself, are Adam Kokesh and his followers even likely voters in a Republican primary? This has been going on for a long time and the whole line of attack seems to be based on bad sources. See: http://www.dailypaul.com/285658/rand-paul-did-not-say-that

I just want people to remember that the dude doesn't even believe in voting to begin with...

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"If you’re into political activism, at least for Ron Paul if not for anyone else, I strongly recommend spending some time with iroots.org." - Tom Woods

Not disingenuous

He is active here, or at least was. Maybe he'll respond. As for me; I don't see him as disingenuous. He has stated that 2 of the most influential people in his life (other than his parents if I remember correctly) is RP and Stephan Molyneux. One a minarchist and one a reluctant anarchist; a volyntarist by another name. I too am a Marine who served in the second assault on Fallujah with Kilo Co 3/1. My wife this morning said I remind her of the character played by Anthony Hopkins. Maybe 30 years younger, lol. Point is the government, rather the state has earned my absolute disdain. Not this state, rather all of them. There is not another human being alive that can reach as many ears as Dr. Paul with a message that could evolve to a voluntaristic philosophical bond. To hell with the state. And my absolute respect and adoration for Paul, Kokesh, and Molyneux.

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the real deal..

Whatever your personal opinions are..Adam's the real deal when it comes to the RP Revolution.

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