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-Numbers 13:16 And Moses called Husha the son of Nun, Yhusha(Strong's Hebrew 3091).

-Zechariah 3:8 ‘Now listen, Yhusha the high priest, you and your companions who sit before you, for they are men of symbol. For look, I am bringing forth My Servant – the Branch.

-Zechariah 6:11 And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown and set it on the head of Yhusha the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,12and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said YHUH of hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose Name is the Branch! And from His place He shall branch out and He shall build the Temple of YHUH. 13It is He who is going to build the Temple of YHUH. It is He who is going to bear the splendour. And He shall sit and rule on His throne and shall be a priest on His throne and the counsel of peace shall be between Them both,” ’

Translated from the Classical Hebrew


Now translated from the Greek

-Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called (Strong's Greek 2424), which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

-Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

-Philippians 2:9 Elohim, therefore, has highly exalted Him and given Him the Name which is above every name, that at the Name of (Strong's Greek 2424) every knee should bow, of those in heaven and of those on earth and of those under the earth, and every tongue should confess that (Strong's Greek 2424) Messiah is Master, to the esteem of Elohim the Father.

-Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue,
"Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks"
And I said, "Who art thou, Lord?"
And he said, "I am (Strong's Greek 2424) whom thou persecutest."


So, what is Strong's Greek word 2424? At least twice in the New Testament, Strong's Greek 2424 is used for the man who came right after Moses, Yhusha(Yod-Hey-Waw-Shin-Ayin, Strong's Hebrew 3091). Did these men have the same name?

-Acts 7:44 The Tent of witness was with our fathers in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, 45which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Yhusha(Strong's Greek 2424) into the land possessed by the gentiles, whom Elohim drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, 46who found favour before Elohim and asked to find a dwelling for the Elohim of Jacob, 47but Solomon built Him a house.

-Hebrews 4:9 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8For if Yhusha(Strong's Greek 2424) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.


Now, what is the meaning of the word?

You should recognize the first three letters Y-H-U.

Many people say the last two letters and the original name "Husha" come from Yasha, (Strong's Hebrew word 3467, http://concordances.org/hebrew/strongs_3467.htm).




I can barely read(or count), but tend to agree with them. And the saying "Jesus Saves" now seems redundant.

Mmmm, salty.

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To me religion is like the atom

There is the nucleus, the neutron, and the electron.

Also the positron.

And the muon, the lepton, and the anti-positron.

and the...

OK, let's start over.

There's God, and then there's the details.

Daily Paul cured my abibliophobia.

see you fessed up,



The Salt is Good!

To "Jehovah is salvation" saves, I say Praise God! That Most High God who is Salvation is Qualified, Able, and Doeth Save! The salt is good!

Jehovah is Salvation has saved me!

Jehovah is Salvation is My Savior!

Jehovah is Salvation Saves! Amen and Amen!

English translation: Jesus Saves!


There was a day when names had meaning and people knew the meanings of their names. My name means "shining light" If someone says X please turn on the light; or X turned on the light; or X lit up the room when she walked in, it is not redundant at all. It is rather an action accomplished by or attributed to me and the fact that the meaning of my name is conducive to my action is but affirmation of the correctness of my name.

It is my name backed up by action.

IMO, I am not an expert and have not delved into this subject and normally the way I talk about what I don’t know is state what I think I know, so if I am way off base, please correct me. Because I am one who wants to know better if possible.



Quest for the Historical Jesus.

Jruss, I saw today an article on JeruSalem Post -Blog,

"Christian Insecurity and the Jewish Problem: The Quest for the Historical Jesus"
""The argument against a “historical” Jesus revolves around the peculiar similarity, almost identity, between Jesus as described by Paul and the gospels, and Osiris -Dionysus of the Pagan Mystery religions.""

this is for the attention of the able, resourceful & faithful folks on DP.

To the law

Testimonies of many witnesses to his existence are on record, even if only copies of their testimony can be found.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

Laws concerning prophets can be found at Deuteronomy 13:1-5 and Deuteronomy 18:15-22.

At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deuteronomy 19:15

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. John 8:18

The phrase "I am" here is "Ego eimi" in the Greek and is worth a look. There are many references.

On a side note, we are taught Homer wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey, but the testimony of this, and of the man's very existence, comes 400 years after the fact. Ain't that somethin!

Before & After Birth.

+1, Jruss, thanks for the scriptural references. What we see physically in our world, = 1) a continuous chain of followers, 2) un-broken tradition of narrating & recording the words & deeds of The Maseah, = 3) carriers of the Word spread in different directions from the foot-prints of The Maseah..

The Most High, The Almighty, our Creator_Lord sent down advance knowledge =
His virtuous mother received the news with the given name, before birth.

He is The "reference for writing history", =dates, re BC, AD, or CE.
Who can argue with that talllllll testimony. Thanks

Najam...A Comment and A Question

Comment: I am most likely a minority in saying this, but I have followed *many* attempts to discredit or question the authenticity of Jesus. Generally words like "quest for" are used. For those of us who have "found" him we know the validity of his existence both historically and for all eternity and that certitude is secure in our hearts. There is no "quest" except by unbelievers, agnostics who are still searching for truth and academics who begin with the thesis "there was no historical Jesus"...or if there was he was just a man who became a hoax.

I have studied the mystery religions a little as well as mythology not only Greek but the legends and folklore of peoples throughout history and find fascinating all "quests" for higher consciousness and a deeper meaning of God. And, yes, there are similarities. However, being a believer I also think that as the man became aware of his identity, his great heart of mercy for all God's children designed the life of his bestowal on earth. He knew well all the myths, legends, religions as well as the foibles and hopes and dreams of man. In his short life on earth he wanted to reach as many people as possible with the "good news" ... not only those in his time in his environment...but all people for all times. That his life design resonated with the myths and dreams and hopes of so many was his masterpiece. I believe there are many paths to God and it is not the institutionalized system of belief, but rather the sincerity of the heart which God knows perfectly that matters.

I am no scholar however I have such assurance in the historical Jesus, his authenticity, that my faith cannot be shaken by anything.
If you remember a few conversations with me some time ago, you also know that I have great respect for all religions and see the truth in each. I have assumed your religion is Islam, but I do not know that for a fact. Only that you are extremely well read and knowledgeable. You have dug for deep meaning and have a lot to share and I thank you for that.

Question: I always find fascinating your deep understanding of the ancient languages and agree that much is transliteration and various translations differ. Many are annotated to show the various meanings of words used. My question is that I would love for you to explain in terms I can understand the reason that the NAME (the actual entonation and correct NAME which you believe would have been used in biblical times) is so important to you. I am certainly aware of how many times the Bible says "name." However, I get the feeling that you perhaps believe that if we were all on the same page...using the same names of Mary and Jesus and God that somehow consciousness on the planet would be raised? Am I wrong? Is their another reason beyond accuracy? I have been curious for going on several years now?!


No disrespect,

but your comment,

"There is no "quest" except by unbelievers, agnostics who are still searching for truth and academics who begin with the thesis "there was no historical Jesus"...or if there was he was just a man who became a hoax."

is bold, and simply untrue. Not a good idea to use absolutes. I was a very firm believer in Jesus Christ, always thirsting for knowledge and praying for wisdom and guidance. I went on a 5 day water fast last year, in which I spent the entire time reading the bible and praying. Afterwards, I did look up historical evidence of Jesus, and found none. Shockingly. I don't need historical facts to believe in Jesus, but my research led me on and on and on and suffice it to say, I am no longer Christian. It is sad to me, that of all people, believers are the ones who just believe without researching. To each his own though.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

re Historical Evidence Of *

Jk, first, we repeat after yours = "No disrespect".

you wrote = "I did look up historical evidence of Jesus, and found none.", = even after a long search 0.

We can only wonder at the manner & place of your search, = please note there is no desire to belittle anyone's efforts, - but we find the outcome of your search as very strange.

Here I will copy paste what I posted above to Jruss, =
[He is The "reference for writing history", =dates, re BC, AD, or CE.
Who can argue with that talllllll testimony.]

The Most-Important point is the one used as a reference for calender.
Similar to the North (Pole) Star, a reference for navigation. Present-day researchers cannot focus on history without the BC or AD.
Hope you will look back in this light.

And I Understand

I was raised Baptist which brought up a lot of questions capped off by getting "baptized" at 12 and announcing to the minister in anger that nothing happened. Nothing did except I got dunked. I had expected more.

I went searching for quite a few years and found gurus, unusual books, paths of all kinds most leading pretty much nowhere. Then I studied comparative religions and went on several side trips.

During a personal crisis concerning a dying parent I loved very much, I had a transformative experience that resulted in something happening that was very profound to me on a personal level and I found myself back in my original faith (not exactly Baptist) but much richer and deeper. Not only because of the "road to Damascus" type experience but the knowledge that came from it and all the truths I had picked up along the way as I had searched and researched.

I would daresay that I probably have read much of what you read that led to your conclusions. I just arrived at a very different one, my faith strengthened by what once were doubts. Doubts, even long held ones, can become great blessings. That turned out to be my case. So your absolute statement that "believers are the ones who just believe without researching" is not true in my case.

If you are happy where you are than perhaps you are exactly where you need to be. But don't be surprised if the journey begins anew sometime. Stuff happens! Peace and thanks for responding. I sincerely mean that.



Lol about your baptism experience! When I was baptized, I sinned right away afterwards, and felt I was then doomed for all eternity since Jesus had just washed me clean and I went and screwed up and cound't be forgiven again. ( I was only 8, mind you)

I am deeply sorry for your loss!

I too have had those profound experiences where I felt God. Still do.

You are so right, I should have said "some" believers. That is karma slapping me in the face eh? lol

I do feel I am exactly where I should be, and I am sure I will take different paths, wherever I feel led to go in the future.

Thank you as well for your response. Glad you are happy and secure in your faith. Life is so beautiful!
Take care:)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Names & Consciousness.

+1, thank you for your attention & response. Your confident comment made me glad you stand firm & steady with Faith, and that you are aware of similar other attempts to raise doubts about the history of The Maseah.
You assumed rightly re the religion Islam, but you were too generous with compliments, re knowledge of ancient languages. Yes, I have studied few/some words which gives the impression that I know a lot. Today the research tools are so convenient, = computers & interNet, a quick reference is available.

re Question. this will take many words. What is scriptural cannot become personal, it is for all readers /believers to follow. You are right, the teaching of names will raise consciousness in our world. Hope we grow more in the light of names, I wish to add more with reference of/to verses, later. best wishes.

Thank You For Your Response, Najam

I wasn't sure if you would and became worried that I might have offended you. So glad I did not. When you and I last corresponded you had slipped on the ice and injured your wrist. I remember!

I will continue to read your posts with interest. Translations and transliteration differences are interesting from the standpoint of (a) made in honest error (b) chosen with notes that other scholars have chosen differently or and I fear this has happened (c) subtle change for reasons having to do with agenda. I will just assume that most are honest error and regret that everything has not been perfectly preserved as it was first written.

You answered my question with "What is scripture cannot become personal, it is for all readers/believers to follow." By this you mean that scripture (in its unaltered, unadulterated original form, all words authentic) is not open to any alteration based upon personal interpretation because it is sacred and intended to be followed explicitly by all followers. It is to be understood in the spirit not interpreted in the mind. And, if so do all followers of Islam believe this way? Do you feel the Old and New Testaments of the Christian faith have lost some of their intended meaning through juman translations and transliterations and that it would be beneficial to return to original meanings? And do you feel some of those Names/Words carry with them an original sound that is very impactful and pleasing to God? These questions are only to have the foundation upon which to understand all of your "Name" posts because I have been puzzled for some time.

I am grateful that someone whose faith is Islam chooses to share and fellowship here. Thank you, Najam!


Scripture = Entrusted Word.

thank you for your attention & response. You wrote about subtle changes in (biblical) scriptures, ""I will just assume that most are honest error and regret that everything has not been perfectly preserved as it was first written.""

Change should not have been allowed in the first place, it would be considered a breach of trust, = tampering & changing the Word, = so it does Not remain the Holy & Sacred. We can also safely assume that in some instances your (c) point played a role, re agenda.

Take the US Constitution as an example, = no one is allowed to change or tamper with it. When serious matters are brought to the attention of the higher courts - a bench of 5+ learned judges sit and ponder over the issue. RE Teachings, you are right that names are the foundation of knowledge. Therefore it has priority & importance.

"for God so Loved the world"

that he waited 1613 years to provide us with a book that there are now actual "bible' colleges to understand.
today there are over 30,000 denominations and most people cannot pick one. they consider themselves "non-denominational"
one man wrote 13 of the 27 chapters of the "new" testament.
while he was in prison and had a checkered past. oh, and before paper was invented.
I am not ragging on you or anyone else.
but from what I can tell, most "christians" today. do not know that they are a member of an Abrahamic faith. they don't even know what that means.
I am not sure just what this all means. but I do believe this is correct.
I find that when I try to talk about liberty, people change the subject to religion. I am not sure why, but that is why I call myself a deist. can you see why I do that?

Abrahmic Faith.

+1, HvacTech, thanks for your post, please excuse my delayed response.. You may have noticed that people in rich countries are abandoning religion & Christianity, - while in poorer countries the missionaries are moving aggressively, with lots of resources & professional training to evangelize. They do not follow the wisdom that = "Charity begins at home". There is a lot of vested-interest at work.

You wrote = ""I am not ragging on you or anyone else.
but from what I can tell, most "christians" today. do not know that they are a member of an Abrahamic faith. they don't even know what that means.""
This I found to be the most amusing part of post, without any cynicism or poking fun. How to say it,= it is funny & at the same time a very sorry condition indeed.

The funny feel evaporates when you hear the call of "Crusades", from the likes of Bush, Glenn Beck, neo-cons, etc., trigger-happy murderers, who lick the shoes of zionists, i.e. those who slander the Maseah & his virtuous mother. The pro-zion 'christians' are utterly shameless, disloyal, & sellers of lies.

best wishes, & salaam (]:)>

I consider that a high compiment Najam.

you took what I wrote the way I hoped anyone would. I think it is RUDE to attack anothers faith. my bet is that the Muslims are about the same as what I see here. sure, we do have ummm, radicals.
you are going to have them in all "faiths". if this observation holds true. then most Muslims probably not only don't want to fight about it, but are not really sure or rather cannot define just what they believe.
if I made the observation that there is a MAJOR division within the Islamic faiths..( I am not sure if I said that right, I am unsure of the distincion between Islamic and Muslim...)
and that this country has 'picked a side" that being the Sunni over the shite, would that be essentilly correct?

Sunni vrs Shiite

your post deserves a longish reply, no-one has mentioned this on DP before, it relates to deep side of religion & history. will type later. with this post I am sending two latest news items, re your last para, pls see -

Saudi Arabia’s Strategic Move On The Afghan Chessboard

Sunni-Shi'ite clash in south Lebanon,

really? no one has mentioned it?

then you should not respond to me, please make a post about it. one that would show up on a google search.
I learned very little about it, but from what I could tell it is about whether or not the prophets relatives count or not...
I did not write the name because simply talking about it seems to piss some people off.
usury is also a big point of contention. most christians think it has to do with merchsnts selling stuff in a temple and high interest rates.... not.
it has to do with debt.

re Division -

I had not seen or read it, if it was posted before.
you wrote = "the observation that there is a MAJOR division within the Islamic faiths.." This is what I was talking about - that I had not seen such a post before on DP. I was not up-to typing & I guessed you already know - and I need not labor, so I posted links to latest articles on the subject, and that - yes this division creates disturbance in the region, it has a long history. Now I realize you just made a remark but are not interested in any details of s this matter - that is ok.
re usury, you say its contentious. so no need for exchange.

salty?.. Ha Ha... Good salt preserves

Luke 14:34
Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.


Not Hebrew.

+1. Thank you for bringing "the name" for discussion, but I think Hebrew canNot be trusted to keep authentic records. It has been a dead language for centuries, and it has been revived recently by the Yiddish speakers from Europe - who settled around JeruSalem - then later established the zionist state = calling itself "Israel". These people reject the son of Maryum as the Maseah.

Even the wicked and everything serves God!

Don't you know?


NO License to Sin.

NO License to Sin, read Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 15:19-20 (GNT), =

19 He is aware of everything a person does, and He takes care of those who fear Him. 20 He has never commanded anyone to be wicked (faithless), nor given anyone permission to sin.

Concerning the book you

Concerning the book you quoted from and the like...

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. Amos 8:11-12

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, Ezekiel 14:9

All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. John 10:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron...Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Timothy 4:1-2,16

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

Ecclesiasticus, in Catholic Bibles,

like the "Good News Bible", or the "JeruSalem Bible",
This book is not in the King James Version.

Above the 5 verses you quoted - you wrote -
"Concerning the book you quoted from and the like..."

Confused about Isreal

It amazes me the tribe of Judah calls their country Isreal. The Jews (Judah) know full well what tribe they are from or the customs they assimilated to while being in Judah's house.

The house of Isreal is not in Palastine.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

Zionists are Impostors.

+1. The Law in the authentic Torah forbids usury (robbery by trickery). But Judaism licenses the sin of U$ury, that is why the tables of the money-lenders were over-turned by the Maseah (son of Maryum) when he visited the Temple Mount in JeruSalem. It is also called The Holy Land or Mount. Therefore the unjust & cruel sinners are not allowed to set-up shop on this ground. The zionist impostors want to sneak in again, these are goons, thugs & tools of the Roth$childes the banksters.

I would like to

look at the alternatives.

I know the word "hebrew"(or one like it) is mentioned in Genesis 14:13 in reference to Abraham, and possibly comes from Eber, the great-grandson of Shem and an ancestor of Abraham. (Genesis 11)

By the way I'm not voting you down. And I appreciate you appreciation :-)