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List Of Companies Against GMO Labeling - Prop 37 California Right To Know Act

by TheDesertBee

There has been quite a lot of controversy created regarding GMO’s (Genetically Modified Organizms) called Bio-engineered (a.k.a. GE-genetically engineered) organism/ingredients in our food. However many believe that the verdict is in with the recent BREAKING: Study Shows GM Corn Cause Massive Tumors. Eating genetically modified corn (GM corn) and consuming trace levels of Monsanto's Roundup chemical fertilizer caused rats to develop horrifying tumors, widespread organ damage, and premature death. That's the conclusion of a shocking new study that looked at the long-term effects of consuming Monsanto's genetically modified corn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up1nFwBHzZ8&list=PLKkSfhYk-XB...

The study has been deemed "the most thorough research ever published into the health effects of GM food crops and the herbicide Roundup on rats." News of the horrifying findings is spreading like wildfire across the internet, with even the mainstream media seemingly in shock over the photos of rats with multiple grotesque tumors... tumors so large the rats even had difficulty breathing in some cases. GMOs may be the new thalidomide.

http://www.infowars.com/new-gmo-study-rats-fed-lifetime-of-g...

I am an advocate of foods grown as nature intended, WITHOUT GMOs and NO manmade pesticides. So many people have trusted these companies/corporations who provide food to the masses, but rarely (if ever) question their moral ethics, behavior, or their motivations for providing that food. It is long overdue that we wake up and question what is truly going on here. What have we all been exposed to in the name of big corporations lust for money and control of our farmers?

Below listed companies who are campaigning to DENY you the right to know if GMOs are in your food – Soon Prop37 (the California Right to Know Act, a.k.a. Label GMO) an important law will be up for a vote. On the national level HR 3553, the Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act and HR 3554, the Genetically Engineered Safety Act is scheduled for debate and a vote.

Sources/Credits for the list below is at the bottom of this document.

Parent Company Donation ($) Brands/Products

Abbott Nutrition $3,918 Similac, Ensure, Glucerna, EAS, EleCare, Jevity, Metabolic, Nepro, Optimental, Osmolite, Oxepa, Pedialyte, PediaSure, Perative, Pivot, Polycose, ProMod, Promote, Pulmocare, Suplena, Survanta, TwoCal, ZonePerfect

BASF Plant Science $1,642,300.00

Bayer CropScience $1,618,400.00

Bimbo Bakeries USA: $320,516.72 Sara Lee, Arnold, Entenmann’s, Thomas’, Ball Park (buns), Bimbo, Boboli, Brownberry, Francisco, Frienhoffer, Mrs. Bairds, Oroweat, Stroehamann, Tia Rosa

Bumble Bee Foods, LLC $270,426 King Oscar, Brunswick, Beachcliff

Bunge North America $5,193

Campbell Soup Company: $179,545 Campbell soups, Pace, Pepperidge Farm, Prego, Swanson, V8

Cargill, Inc. $143,575.49 Truvia Natural Sweetener, Shady Brooks Farms turkey, Diamond Crystal Salt, Liza oils and dressings, Nature Fresh oil, Peter’s Chocolate, Wilbur Chocolate, Honeysuckle White turkey, Sterling silver premium, Rumba meats, Good Nature port

Coca-Cola North America: $1,164,400 Boca Burger, Dasani, Evian, Fuse Healthy Infusions, Smartwater, Dr. Pepper, Just Juice, Nestea, Monster, Vitaminenergy, Powerade, Minute Made Juices to go, Capri-Sun, Five Alive, Glaceau Smartwater, Glaceau Vitaminwater, Honest Tea, Odwalla, Simply juice

ConAgra Foods $1,076,600 Chef Boyardee, Banquet, Egg Beaters, Healthy Choice, Hunt’s, Snack Pack, Reddi-whip, Wesson, Pam, Hebrew National, David Seeds, Kid Cuisine, Marie Callender’s, Orville Redenbacher’s, Slim Jim, Alexia Foods, Lightlife

Croplife $5,000 Croplife

Dean Foods Company $66,143.16 Silk, Garelick, Horizon Organic, Lehigh Valley, Tuscan, Swiss, Shenandoah’s, Reiter, Meadow Gold, Robinson Dairy, Model Dairy, Alta Dena, Swiss Premium, TruMoo, Alpro

Del Monte Foods Company $484,125 Del Monte brand canned foods

Dole Packaged Foods Company $125,681 Dole brand canned fruit

Dow Agrosciences LLC $1,184,800.00

Dupont - E.I. DuPont De Nemours & Co. $4,025,200.00

General Mills, Inc.$519,400 (plus $388,798 from General Mills) Betty Crocker, Bisquick, Gold Medal, Good Earth, Haägen Daz, Pillsbury, Yoplait, Cheerios, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, Fiber One, Lucky Charms, Nature Valley, Hamburger Helper, Cascadian Farm Organic, Muir Glen, Good Earth, Larabar, Liberte Greek yogurt, Nature Valley

Godiva Chocolatier, Inc. $30,666 Godiva chocolates

Heinz $10,444 Heinz, Classico, OreIda, SmartOnes, T.G.I.Friday’s, ABC, Golden Circle, Wattie’s, Lea & Perrins, Nurture

Hero North America $58,028 Hero brand nectars and fruit preserves

The Hershey Company $283,753.06 Almond Joy, Reese’s, Mounds, Kit Kat, York, Twizzlers

Hormel Foods Corporation $94,380.71 Farmer John, Valley Fresh, Spam, Not.So.Sloppy.Joe, Herbox, Saags, Lloyds, Jennie-O, Dinty Moore, Chi-Chi’s, Di-Lusso, Stagg Chili, World Food

House-Autry Mills, Inc. $1,077.27 House Autry sauces (cocktail, honey mustard, tartar, and “Bold & Zesty Dippin’ Sauce”); chicken, pork, and seafood breading; hushpuppy, biscuit, cornbread, and corn meal mixes; onion ring coating mix

Idahoan Foods $7,181 Instant mashed potatoes, hash browns, and casseroles

Inventure Foods, Inc. (SNAK) $10,846.39 Jamba Juice, Burger King, T.G.I.Friday’s, Nathan’s Famous Hotdogs, Rader Farms, Poore Brothers, Tato Skins, Braids Pretzels, Bob’s Texas Style

J.M. Smucker Company $367,604.16 Crisco, Dunkin’ Donuts, Folgers, Jif, Adam’s Peanut Butter, Café Bustelo, Crosse & Blackwell, Dickinson’s, Dutch Girl, Eagle Brand, Hungry Jack, Kava, Knott’s Berry Farm, Medaglia D’Oro, MillStone, None Such, Pillsbury, Smucker’s, Recharge, Red River, Smucker’s Toppings, Smucker’s Uncrustables, WhiteLily

Kellogg Company $632,500 Cheez-It, Famous Amos, Keebler, Special K, Pringles, Austin, Mother’s Cookies, Carr’s, Gardenburger, Worthington, Frosted Mini-Wheats, Rice Krispies, pop-tarts, Chips Deluxe Cookies, Eggo, All-Bran, Nutri-Grain, Frosted Flakes, Crunch Nut, Krave, Coco Pops, Fruit Loops, Corn Flakes, Corn Pops, TownHouse, Kashi, Bear Naked, Wholesome & Hearty (Gardenburger), Morningstar Farms / Natural Touch

Knouse Foods Cooperative $131,409.01 Lucky Leaf, Musselman’s, Apple Time, Lincoln, Knouse Food Service

Kraft Foods $34,404 A-1 Steak Sauce, Alpen Gold, Cadbury, Capri Sun, Cheeze Whiz, Chips Ahoy!, Cool Whip, Cracker Barrel, Crystal Light, Dentyne, General Foods, Gevalia, Honey Maid, Halls, Jell-O, Kraft, Kool-Aid, Oscar Mayer, Maxwell House, Miracle Whip, Nabisco, Newtons, Nilla, Nutter Butter, Oreo, Philadelphia, Planters, Ritz, Stove Top, Tang, Tolberone, Trident, Triscuit, Velveeta, Wheat Thins, Halls cough drops

Land O’ Lakes $59,321 Butter, Saute Express, cheese, spreads & margarine, eggs, half & half, whipping cream, cocoa & cappuccino mixes, sour cream, milk, Silk, Horizon Organic

Mars Food North America $5,773 Wrigley’s, Uncle Ben’s, Flavia, Klix, Aterra Coffee Roasters, Bright Tea Co., CocoaVia, Seramis, Wisdom Panel, Dolmio, Ebly, MasterFoods, Raris, Royco, Suzi Wan, Winterfresh, Starburst, Skittles, Orbit, LifeSavers, Eclipse, Altoids, Dove, 3 Musketeers, Combos, M&M’s, MilkyWay, Twix, Snickers, Kudos, Galax, Pedigree dog food, Whiskas cat food

McCain Foods USA, Inc. $50,592.94 Anchor, Babycakes, Brew City, Chef Sensations, Flavorlasts, Golden Crip, Harvest Splendor, Moore’s, Ovations, Redstone Canyon, Smiles, Sweet Classics, Taste Travelers

McCormick & Company, Inc. $64,645.53 McCormick herbs and spices, seasonsing mixes (i.e., McCormick fajita seasoning), extrats and food colors, Grill Mates, seafood breading, batters, sauces, and rubs

Monsanto Company $4,208,000.00

Morton Salt $14,879.01 Morton seasonings (e.g., Season-All), meat curing, sea salts, and Rust Raze products

Nestlé USA $1,169,400 Carnation, DiGiorno, Hot Pockets, Lean Cuisine, Abuelita, Nestle Toll House, La Lechera, Libby’s Pumpkin, 100 Grand, Baby Ruth, Bottle Caps, Butterfinger, Skinny Cow, Crunch, Wonka, Nips, Nescafe, Coffee-mate, Taster’s Choice, JuicyJuice, Nesquik, Dreyer’s, Drumstick, Edy’s, Haagen-Dazs, Push-up, Buitoni, California Pizza Kitchen, DiGiorno, Lean Pockets, Stouffer’s, Tombstone, Gerber Organics, Perrier, Poland Spring, S. Pellegrino, PowerBar, Tribe Mediterranean Foods

Ocean Spray $60,546 Juices, juice drinks, Craisins, cranberry sauce, fruit snacks

PepsiCo, Inc. $1,716,300 Frito Lay, Tropicana, Quaker, Gatorade, Izze, Mountain Dew, AMP Energy, Seattle’s Best Coffee, Tazo iced teas, SoBe, Aquafina, Brisk, Lipton, Propel Zero, Miss Vickie’s, Sabra hummus, Sunchips, Tazo, IZZE Sparkling Juice, Naked Juice, Naked Juice Coconut Water, Mother's Cereals, Nut Harvest Nuts, Sabra Hummus, Stacy's Pita and Bagel Chips, Aquafina

Pinnacle Food Groups, LLC $69,307.71 Bird’s Eye, Armour, Duncan Hines, Aunt Jemima, Mrs. Butterworth’s, Vlasic, Voila!, Celeste, Mrs. Butterworth’s, Hungry-Man, Aunt Jemima, Lender’s, Snyder’s, Husman’s

Reily Foods Co. $13,214 Blue Plate, Bonus Blend, Carroll Shelby’s Chili, CDM, French Market, JFG, La Martinique, Luzianne, Old Dutch Dressing, Presto, Swans Down, Try Me Sauces, Wick Fowler’s Chili

Sara Lee Corporation $246,766 Sara Lee desserts, Sunbeam, Hillshire Farms, Ball Park Franks, Jimmy Dean, Deli d’Italia, Deli Perfect, Galileo, Hornimans, Java Coast, Kahn’s, Mr. Turkey, Natreen, Pizza d’Oro, Pickwick, Sara Lee deli, Steamers, Sunbeam

Smithfield $14,286 Smoked hams, fresh pork, bacon, sausage, lunchmeat, Lean Generation, Recipe Ready

Sunny Delight Beverages Company $93,795.90 SunnyD, BlenDs, EnchanceD, LimiteD

Syngenta Corporation $821,300.00

SOURCES/CREDITS

The evil of Monsanto and GMOs explained: Bad technology, endless greed and the destruction of humanity
URL: http://www.naturalnews.com/037289_Monsanto_corporations_ethi...
Sunday, September 23, 2012 by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, Editor of NaturalNews.com

Renewed boycott announced against GMO pushing mega-corporations
URL: http://www.naturalnews.com/037288_GMO_boycott_food_companies...
Sunday, September 23, 2012 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer NaturalNews.com

Boycott Companies Fighting Prop 37!
URL: http://www.anh-usa.org/boycott-companies-fighting-prop-37/
September 11, 2012 Alliance for Natural Health USA (ANH-USA)

Say No To GMO
URL: http://www.anh-usa.org/say-no-to-gmo/

Tell Congress We Have a Right to Know What's In Our Food! HR 3553 and HR 3554
URL: https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&pa...



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There's an APP for that! :-)

Good_Apple, I really appreciate the above list! There are only 2 or 3 labels that I've been using that I can now cross off my grocery list.

Also, Dear Friends at Daily Paul, there is a helpful Apple APP, "Shop NO GMO" that lists tips to avoid GMO foods, informs you of the NO GMO PROJECT SEAL, and has a downloadable Non-GMO Shopping Guide (brochure) that features over 150 brands that are enrolled in the Non-GMO Project.

You don't need to get the APP to to get this information; you can go directly to The Institute for Responsible Technology website's Non-GMO website http://www.nongmoshoppingguide.com/

I encourage all of us to grow our own veggies as much as possible, support local small farmers, and buy foods with the 100% Organic label, and the Non-GMO Project Seal.

At first I was disappointed that Proposition 37 failed, but then I realized how this will give even greater initiative to those that want
to label their non-GMO products, and those that want to buy those products to find one another. Plus, thanks to the government requiring people to list the names of those who opposed the Proposition (I know, that was very anti-libertarian some would say?) but NOW with this LIST above, I can avoid those brands! And if others do too, they are out of business.

Peace and prosperity! Eat real food, mostly plants, ans Michael Pollan would say.

Gwen Kraft

"Personal Liberty & Personal Responsibility" -- Dr. Ron Paul

"A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom." -- Bob Dylan

What a great topic to separate the "get it's" to the nots.

It's easy to be libertarian when you are arguing for the removal of injustices against you. The less principled ones seem to forget the ideology or just didn't understand it, when they want to achieve an outcome and immediately become collectivists who want to tell their fellow men what they must do..

Lets start with the outcome and move to morality later.

By advocating that govt. has the right to tell someone what to put on his/her products before he sells them you have agreed to play a game you cannot win if you advocate GMO labeling.

By removing principle and going to preference you are entering into a lobbying war with entities, that have much more to profit from bribing politicians than you have. You will eventually lose the war and because you played on that board with those rules, you have given the authority to the bad guys and consented to the method.

The bribing/lobbying law will last for as long as you dedicate resources to it. What would be far more productive is to perhaps start a business that creates a brand. NON GMO business pay to have you audit their supply chains and grant access to using your brand on their packaging. You then educate the public that your brand certified is GMO free, thus delivering value to both consumer and producer.

You could perhaps also create a website that offers an NON GMO Index on grocery outlets. If I know that say shopping at Vons over Ralphs will mean that my shopping basket will have 20% less GMO food in it, then I would value that information enough to drive an extra few miles to shop at Vons and even pay a X% more for my groceries.

Ralphs will then be enticed to reduce their GMO suppliers in favor of NON GMO suppliers in line with the publics value of that index. The site could be funded from ad revenue, donations or subscriptions from users or those who benefit most NON GMO producers.

With this approach you are not entering into an endless war you cannot win against some who will profit more from tyranny than you.

Now back to the morality of it all.

There are 2 arguments i have read on this thread for why it is OK to force someone to label their products a certain way.

1. Consumers have a right to choose what they put in their body and to make that decision they have a right to information.

I think we all agree that they have a right to put whatever they want in their body, and a right to pursue the information, but no body has the obligation of pursuing that information for you. That is your responsibility.

The moment you force someone to give you something, like their expertise, research and time, you violate their perfect right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness for your want of information.

2. Corporations are not people and so rights do not apply to them.

Well forget about corporations for a moment and talk about Bobs hobby Farm. Do you have a right to force Bob to label his product. I don't think most peoples answer will change from a principled point of view with regard to Bob's hobby farm or Monsanto. We may have a very different gut reaction because of our hatred of Monsanto, but once we revisit our principles we would come to the same conclusion.

I know its hard to get our head around liberty but there is one simply rule. If the next time you want to achieve an outcome, and your initial reaction is... "Well they should make a law...." Stop. Correct your behavior. And next time you are angry at a collectivist for their inability to see why they are violating your rights, remind yourself not to get angry at someone just for possessing the same weaknesses that we all have.

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Your Argument In All Practicality Advocates Propaganda

Involving the Food Labeling Information War we are apparently having right now.

You are arguing that the government doesn't have a right to tell someone what information to put on their products by saying "I think we all agree that they have a right to put whatever they want in their body, and a right to pursue the information, but no body has the obligation of pursuing that information for you. That is your responsibility" However, the government already is requiring labeling ingredients.

So when someone reads the ingredients list, they are supposed to be confident they are getting ALL the information on what ingredients are in the food. So what happens when the government doesn't require a company to list all of the ingredients such as GMO products? Well, the consumer will tend to gather that GMO's are not in that particular food product, right? If the government is requiring the listing of ingredients, then ALL ingredients should be listed, otherwise the information is useless and can be considered propaganda and we might as well not even have a food labeling program since the job is to make sure food is adequately labeled in order to achieve the purpose of giving the consumer adequate information they need to make an informed decision about what to put into their body. To me adequate information at the least means a list of ALL ingredients in a product, not just a selective list.

If you think GMO foods should be excluded, then we might as well do away with the entire food labeling program altogether as it seems the program is not achieving it's purpose by only selectively informing the public - like how the MSM selectively reports the news by omitting certain facts therefore making it propaganda, this issue is no different.

-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...

Excellent point.

The challenge though is two wrongs don't make a right.
It's like saying, well because govt pays for medicare and medicaid they have a right to force certain vaccines in you. The solution is not to fight over which vaccines, but to not pay for medicare and medicaid.

My point is simply that the Libertarian view is that the government should get out of the labeling business entirely, and libertarians would be more productive pursuing a free market solution as I suggested. Rather than trying to out bribe politicians.

In the same way govt forcing 401k's on us to protect us, makes us lazy and uninterested in our retirement.... In the same way bank deposit insurance schemes makes citizens lazy about bank due diligence, As you correctly point out government laws about labeling creates a lazy citizenry who assume the labels are complete and not just tools of the lobbyists.

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Gov't doesn't pay for medicare and medicaid,

taxpayers do. And vaccines have been found to be dangerous and cause diseases so this is why many are against them although you are recognizing that the gov't is trying to push them on us for what many believe is population control.

Also I don't believe that the Libertarian view is necessarily that the gov't should get out of the labeling business because it does involve a food safety issue. Food labeling would be a non-issue if most everyone grew their own and prepared their own food. But because many rely on others besides themselves to do this due to lifestyle, one of the purposes of the gov't to help protect people's rights and health comes into play or we might as well not even have a gov't if they can't do their job.

In the mean time, I believe the free market solution will end up being if people can't trust what's on the label, many packaged food item companies will eventually go out of business because many people just won't want to deal with buying packaged food at all. Unfortunately, I'm past that point as I refuse to purchase packaged food for the most part except for a few select brands that I have thoroughly researched until there is a truly reliable food labeling program. I don't go to restaurants anymore because I don't know what they're feeding people. Also, I generally prepare my own food from scratch, and I try to grow my own food as well within the limitations I have.

It's unfortunate that this is where we've arrived but remember not even 100years ago in our country most people lived off the land and grew their own and prepared allot from scratch. At the end of WWII, victory gardens were the rage... Now we know why, and it's not just because prepared food wasn't necessarily available.

Think about it. We've been through this already in history I'm sure many times, but again, history repeats itself it seems every few generations because we forget and we don't listen to our elders and ancestors when they say - beware when you depend on others for your most basic necessities as others tend not to have your best personal interests in mind, the long list above that is mentioned essentially proves this point entirely...

It seems no matter what we do, we end up going back to basics at some point to protect ourselves, because of these problems. Like you are saying, it seems to be a failed venture any time we try to depend on the government to regulate and protect the people. At some point I'm sure if the gov't can't do their job, they will lose their jobs, and this country will eventually just turn into the wild wild west again with the good, the bad, and the very very ugly times ahead as the food supply is I would say one of the most sensitive issues for many to get extremely angry about when the truth is known about just how ethically disgusting things have become involving how much companies are able to get away with basically contributing to the genocide of our people.

-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...

I don't believe the federal

I don't believe the federal government should tell private businesses what they can do. But I like it that the GMOs are getting attention. The more people who know about GMOs the sooner the better. Hat's off to Good Apple, Natural News and all the other people trying to inform the public. Remember Monsanto's bovine growth hormone? http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=monsanto-...

See also: http://youtu.be/eZkDikRLQrw

What about a "WHOLSOME FOOD - GMO FREE" label

This would be driven by consumers who don't want to prop up greedy mass murdering eugenicist companies.

Just a voluntary labeling campaign by honest companies.

Supposedly Kosher foods are GMO free aren't they ?

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libertarian view

I agree that the goverment shouldn't get involved with this
BUT don't forget that big govt is the one who gave the OK to the GMO'S in the first place

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Yup, absolutely. And guess

Yup, absolutely. And guess what :

we live in (at least) a 4 dimension-universe :

3 dimensions of space, the fourth is time.

Big gov't PLANS change over time, over otherwise genuinely good intended trends. Big gov't and crony capitalism no doubt have had specific interests in GMOs by the past, and now they may have new ones to put in legalese what is "better" than GMOs.

The Libertarian take :

let the people, consumer DECIDE what is good or bad for themselves, depending on their ways of life.

Human compassion DOES exist. Tasteful habits DO exist. The word of mouth in consumerization DOES exist and has always been powerful.

And even better : families and an ubiquitous WWW for them exists TOO.

Leave the markets alone and they will regulate themselves. FREE masochists will always be the exception. Consumer slaves of bureaucrats and lobbyists is still today's rule, though.

But we can reject this horrendous rule, forced onto us, now we have remembered what Liberty is really about.

Peace.

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More left-wing alarmism and appeals for government force

Michael might as well put permanent links to Infowars and NaturalNews on the front page because all of their sensationalist propaganda seems to end up here anyway.

The debate should be over. The government should not be involved in food labeling. The GMO alarmists are doing exactly what the drug prohibitionists did in the early 20th century. First comes mandatory government enforced labeling, then when that doesn't work and people still continue to consume GM food (because society rarely obeys the demands of angry left-wingers), the calls for outright prohibition will follow. Different cause, same pattern.

For every study conducted by Seralini and the French government that attempts to demonize GMOs, there are 5 studies that suggest the safety of GMOs relative to wild-type crops. Contrary to the sensationalized propaganda by Mike Adams, Joseph Mercola and other alternative medicine practitioners making a SHITLOAD OF MONEY SELLING ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE, there is not a massive conspiracy by thousands of biomedical engineers, scientists, and physicians to poison the public with GMOs. Alternative medicine is not the final truth, and their claims should be held with the same accountability and scientific scrutiny as mainstream medicine. Alas, on the DailyPaul, Mercola and NaturalNews seem to be immune from criticism and seem to represent the ultimate authority.

But getting the government more involved in agriculture and biomedical technology is inappropriate. We should be working to get the government out of these industries. I don't blame these companies at all for opposing Prop 37, because as a libertarian I do as well.

I'm not a Libertarian

But I also oppose.

I wonder how many here ate or drank a product off that list today. I bet 100%.

Apparently there are quite a few non-libertarians here

I had a maki roll for lunch that most likely contained unlabeled GM rice, MSG, hydrogenated soybean oil, and mercury containing shellfish, and I did not grow any tumors. In fact I've eaten this exact meal at least 5 times a week for the last year (far beyond the notorious 90 cutoff) and I have lost weight and I'm feeling great.

I mean according to the food-fascists at NaturalNews I should be dying because I'm putting these horrible toxins in my body right?

There are many Libertarian posers here

They promote liberal agendas, anti-American/Republic agendas, speak in collective terms, and downvote anyone who is standing for Ron Paul's message.

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Sadly, we are so thoroughly brainwashed

Sadly, we are so thoroughly brainwashed with ideas of big gov't and legions of meaningless or biaised laws from our youngest age (thank you public schools, btw) that even when we do love liberty we tend forget our own principles, the true meaning of our liberty compulsions, and surrender to bureaucrats doing more legalese to protect our own tastes, not always realizing they are then also hurting or denying other people's freedoms.

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left-wing?

how is this left-wing, stop stereo typing, just because someone cares about what they put in their body doesn't make them some radical hippy who wants abortion

Using government force to stop something you don't like

is left-wing.

You should care about what you put in your body. There is a huge organic market developing because of people like you. If you get the government more involved in labeling and such you are just going to screw yourself. They already dictate what can be labeled as 'organic' and what cannot be and there is already complicated bureaucratic red tape. Do you want to give the government more power?

Sheesh.

There's another problem that hasn't been brought up yet

The govt. won't allow non-GMO produce and other non-GMO products to be labeled as non-GMO. If govt. would get out of the way, many companies would voluntarily label their products as non-GMO and we could actually be free to choose. I was shopping at Clarke's several months ago and asked the produce lady if the organic label means non-GMO. She said that the GMO stuff is everywhere now and "organic" doesn't always mean non-GMO.

In addition, farmers who choose not to use GMO seeds end up with GMO infected crops due to wind or bees carrying GMO pollen. The end result is that the courts award damages to the GMO farmers on the grounds of IP rights violations on the part of innocent farmers whose crops get polluted with GMO pollen.

Govt. force is being utilized by the GMO companies, we just want protection from them.

Ok. Then Prop 38 should be the freedom to label food non-GMO

Cross pollination and pollution is a completely seperate issue from mandatory labeling. Expanding government force is the worst solution. I don't care how many downvotes I get, I knoe I'm right and that I am on the side of liberty.

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I completely agree, here.

"You should care about what you put in your body."

Exactly. I completely agree, here.

We should advocate to let the markets play. And tell the people they ought TO BE SELF-RESPONSIBLE with with what they DO TO THEIR OWN BODY and HOW they fund.

Do not expect me to agree being FORCED into funding family planning programs that implement abortion. They want to kill babies ? Fine. Let them convince our natural human compassion and lawmen it isn't illegal or a crime and let them FUND their plans THEMSELVES.

Same goes with food ... so called junk or "healthier" or "natural" or whatnot.

I DECIDE what is right or wrong for my own body, and HOW I spend MY MONEY. I encourage all of us to consider the same.

Bureaucrats and lobbyists DO NOT CARE for a second about your body, MIND YOU !

And it is perfectly natural, by definition, for lobbyists to push THEIR interests. We ought to remain FREE to decide if theirs are compatible with OURS.

BUT ! Bureaucrats ARE NOTHING BUT **PARASITIC**. By definition AGAIN !

So...

I want to be free to decide what I drink, what I eat, how, when, and what for.

If I want to eat junk food, it's my problem. If I get concerned and decide I'm being stupid hurting my body, it's my call to decide what will be better for me. And it's MY RESPONSIBILITY to find reliable, informed sources.

And it's MY CALL to judge if they have an agenda that can deceive me. Or if they are sincere and the wise ones.

And I want to choose, even fund, why not, WHO makes the studies, and thru which scientific methods.

Mankind wasn't meant to become the DUMB cow to be taken care of by bureaucrats, lobbyists and other fanatics of the Legalese language.

Mankind was meant to raise itself via KNOWLEDGE.

Isn't the WWW a clue about that ?

AT THE LEVEL OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

We MUST remain free to decide how we feed our body as much responsibly as we are given the opportunity to feed our brains. Nobody should force us to eat junk food or decide for us what is healthier.

Just like nobody forces us to watch TV, online porn, or use this or that source of information. Or read the Bible, or ignore it, same for the Coran, etc.

And if I'm nut enough to see The Swimming In Great Lakes With My Dog as a path to a Greater Awakening that works for me, nobody should make it illegal, or conversely, to force it on everybody else, either.

That might happen to work ONLY for me. (just a kidding example to make the point, don't worry)

Peace.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

and how long do these studies

and how long do these studies last? 90 days?

Show me one unbiased long term gmo study that proves gmos aren't harmful.

More INDEPENDENT research is needed.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

We have been eating GMFs by the millions for over a decade

http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/content/101/6/290.full

John, don't you see how incredibly biased certain alternative medicine factions are against GMOs? It goes way beyond the scientific method of looking at evidence, conducting an experiment, and reaching a conclusion. Their hatred of genetic engineering technology exists first and foremost and they look for evidence to confirm their bias.

The last few articles I read by Mike Adams on NaturalNews were borderline insane. His conclusions were reached long before any scientific evidence emerged, and when any study comes out opposing the safety of GMOs, regardless of validity, he latches onto it like it is the word of God. Although he sometimes makes some valid scientific points regarding nutrition, his arguments are infested with superstition, paranoia, and fear-mongering. His approach to medicine is so full of hypocrisy and contradictions it doesn't even make sense. (Like the whole "natural" medicine myth).

http://www.dailypaul.com/248434/there-is-no-such-thing-as-na...

I agree with you that more independent research needs to be conducted, but the French government (the basis for the outrage this week) is hardly independent.

If you are a true libertarian, then you should not abandon the philosophy on this issue. Don't let the left-wing alarmists scare you into submission. The fear-mongering is obvious to me and I hope I'm not alone.

In a truly free society from

In a truly free society from the BEGINNING, we wouldn't likely be having this conversation. Small local farmers would still be flourishing instead of having their farms raided and having to go to court against Monsanto for "patent infringement" or whatever they want to call it when a Monsanto seed blows into their fields.

Through their monopoly...Monsanto is aggressively taking over the world's food production. They have only gotten to where they are BECAUSE of the fact that they control Capitol Hill.

You should be talking about the rights of the small farmers, not Monsanto.

I understand your views...but on an issue like this...you can't get to this point through fascism/bribery/lobbying, etc, ...that has been going on for DECADES...then do an about face and say the company who got to where it is from all of these methods...the company who now holds a monopolistic STRANGLEHOLD on our food supply...should now be able to do whatever they want.

If that's the case...we should have given the same rights to the small farmers 20+ years ago.

As far as eating this stuff for 20 years..yeah, I agree with you. I don't have any tumors sticking out of my side either...yet.

Still...1 in 10 teens now has liver disease. The lifespan of Americans is starting to decrease. It could be lots of factors...but we still need more long term unbiased studies.

And yes...I do realize some sources will be biased against GMO. But how many reasons do we have to not trust our government? How many times have they lied to us? Do you really believe those airport Xray machines are safe? How long have we been scammed on the "food pyramid" that does nothing but make Americans sick and fat.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

You do realize that the libertarian point of view.....

is that the government should not force private business document and print that information on their labels.

Dont get me wrong, I hate GMO food as much as the next, but this is supposed to be a site for libertarians. We are supposed to have faith in the free markets. We are supposed to vote with dollars and boycott producers and supermarkets that make and distribute things without warning labels that we find appropriate.

If you run to government to lobby them to make a law in favor of your pet project then how are you any different from the parasites we are fighting.

Your cause is better than their cause? Your judgement is superior to their judgement? I think the libertarian message went over the heads of the people in favor of these laws.

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WRONG!

The Libertarian stand is the freedom to do want you want to yourself but "DO NO HARM" Libertarians believe that they do have a right to know and chose. Corporations are NOT people, they DO NOT fall under the Constitution!

Then only choose what you know

I don't understand what is so confusing here.

that's just it Mark... We

that's just it Mark...

We can't choose anymore because monsanto is using the state/corporate system to shut down the small local farms...one by one.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

then this is where I break

then this is where I break from Libertarians. As an American, I want and expect...

1) Basic defense of the homeland (I like the Swiss model)

2) Court system to handle disputes.

3) Protection of food, water, and air

There needs to be more INDEPENDENT scientific studies of GMO that LAST LONGER THAN 90 DAYS!!

Getting the money out of politics needs to happen first.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Same here. If we are part of

Same here.

If we are part of a large scientific experiment we should at least be told about it. :\

agreed but

why don't they label gmo anyway considering how great they think it is?

There is no free market

Unfortunately, there is no free market in any country. All have more or less mixed economies.

Therefore, to counter the imbalance due to big business meddling with big government such "unlibertarian" measures might be necessary to recreate at least some balance until the original cause (big business owning big government) is removed.

Think of it as crutches. A healthy person does not need crutches. A healthy free market does not need high intruding government.

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