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Should we want to end the Fed or let it fail on its own?

Should we want to end the Fed or should we let it fail on its own while informing the People of its actions and nature?

Will we be providing a scapegoat for those who defend the Fed by fighting against it (pardon me for questioning the actions of Dr. Ron Paul) and possibly be blamed for its failure or should we concentrate on informing people of the actions this private corporation is undertaking at the expense of the People?

This has been a coin flip issue for me..

I hope this is not a dead horse issue, if I had to guess I would just go with the actions of Dr. Paul, he is certainly an excellent roll model.

What is your perspective?

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"Well if it were up to me, I would hold the fed responsible for payback of all our debt.
They printed and then spent the money. Why should the American people be held responsible when they did not print or get any of the money? The bankers, Wall street and the Fed did. So yes. I would hold the Fed responsible for payback"
Ron Paul 2011

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

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strike the root

We mustnt focus too much on the figureheads, like bernanke or even the fed itself as a private bank. Insead focus on the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, 100% reserve requirements, competing currencies etc...
Otherwise the fed will fail (whether from an udit, legislation, or currency collapse/ emergency situation) and it will readily be replaced with a new system, probably international, with the same inherent problems. The fed will end when tptb feel it is time, and they will quickly try amd push through the international banking reform under emergency similar to tarp. Surely the plans are all drafted and ready to go, similar to the usapatriotact.

All we probably need to do is

All we probably need to do is conduct a full audit. After that the Fed will collapse on their own.

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Dump World Bank, IMF, & Bank of Internetional Settlements!

Interplanetary Bank will replace the Fed, IMF, World Bank & Bank of International Settlements.

Elastic casting? Federal Reserve Act First statement:

    Opening line. "An Act To provide for the establishment of Federal reserve banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, and for other purposes."

Whereas Marvel Comics has imagined Interplanetary Bank, so can We the People.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

End on it's own. Ah you tender soul.

The people that run the fed are already planning fed 2.0 and not only do we need to end their institution now but watch these same people in what they do next and forever anon.

The light at the end of the tunnel is still a very very long way off.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

put it out of business by

put it out of business by repealing the legal tender laws and giving it competition.

No brainer

Should you fight to win back the nation, or simply let it go down the drain.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Which would you prefer, a controlled demolition or...

a uncontrolled explosion with lots of collateral damage?

The point I am trying to make..

I am afraid that we may get blamed for the fall in the eyes of public opinion for just leaning up against it. They may be looking for an excuse to let the house of cards collapse and I hope we are not playing in to that.

www.youtube.com/truefictions

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Short and direct to the

Short and direct to the point. I like that.

Starve the Fed

Look at this 1984 Article:

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html

"The process works like this. Suppose $1000 in Federal Reserve notes are presented for redemption in public money. To raise $1000 in public money the Fed must surrender U.S. Bonds in that amount to the Treasury in exchange for the public money demanded (assuming that the Fed had no public money on hand). In so doing $1000 of the National Debt would be paid off by the Fed and thus canceled. Can you imagine the result if large amounts of Federal Reserve notes were redeemed on a regular, ongoing basis? Private credit would be withdrawn from circulation and replaced with public money, and with each turning of the screw the Fed would be obliged to pay off more of the National Debt."

Stop Endorsing the Fed

Quit endorsing private credit from the Fed.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2922/noticeanddemand2012.pdf

Both

Unfortunately, the political will to end the Fed won't exist until it has already failed anyway. Just get some popcorn, sit back, and watch how ugly things get. The class on real economic law is about to commence and attendance will be mandatory for everyone.

Ignore it

Don't use it to the best of your ability. You only give them power when you use it. Get ouf debt as quickly as you possibly can, and start bartering. Start a time bank. All perfectly legal. Get off the grid as much as you can and become self sufficient.

Become a self resilient community. Visit:

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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine

The rEVOLution is about STANDING UP & Taking CONTROL

Letting stuff fail on their own is pointless if we aren't there to pick up the pieces. That just leaves the ball in their court.

WE need to control monetary policy, foreign policy, the food supply, our ability to bear arms--ALL OF THIS IS NECESSARY FOR OUR FREEDOM!

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Ask Yourself: Who Does the FED go to When

they become too big to fail (taking the vast majority of American (public and private) debt obligations with it)? The FED, either directly or indirectly, owns the debt instruments that represent the bulk of the tangible assets of America. Through the debt obligations, they own the dirt you're standing on and the house you're sitting in. Just like a "pay-day loan" broker or a "title loan" shark, if you "hold the paper, you own the property- if you can collect". Our Nation is "one payment away" from the FED owning America through its debt holdings.

I have to believe this was by design- it's the entirely predictable end-game for any debt-based monetary system and it's all that the FED was ever intended to do; Facilitate the medium of exchange (monopoly money issuance) and then sit back and patiently aggregate the debt. Provide the fake money to create obligations on all the PHYSICAL assets. Then, once they hold most of the collateral obligations- it's WHOOPS! No Money-

Cool game, huh? It's GOOD AS HANG to be the only guy in town who can PRINT money! WOW- imagine!

Gold won't stop these guys- Great (but naive) concept if we were living in a world filled with honest people. But it's been tried a hundred times and failed. Just look at the world's various central bank's current PM holdings. They've already closed-off that alley... You're (a Nation) not going to escape the debt collector with metals.

Once the FED (and the ECB and the BoJ and the PBoC) have gathered up all of the debt instruments they can possibly carry, they'll scream INFLATION! after which people will DEMAND that they contract the money supply )and in so doing, make it impossible for anyone (nations or private) to make the payments).

Quick- Somebody do SOMETHING!

Enter The Bank of International Settlements to save the day! A "stable" global currency for which the FED will gladly exchange their collateral (your and my ass).

It was the plan all along-

1. Get the monopoly power (through fair means or foul) to print un-based "money" for a nation.
2. Loan your fake money out (freely) in exchange for the labor and physical assets of that nation. (Good times rollin' now, baby! I got a new Jet-Ski on EZ time payments!)
3. Get most of the physical assets of the nation encumbered with debt obligations. Everything's got a mortgage on it, but damn- we got some cool stuff!
4. In response to "rising prices" (false flag), contract money supply of the nation (forcing foreclosures of the physical property)
5. Wash, rinse and repeat until you own the title to everything worth having, one final contraction and then the collapse (the true objective).
6. Deliver box full of titles (along with their collection authority) to the Boss (Bank of International Settlements)

The only way out of this mess, in my truly humble opinion, is for the American people en-masse to repudiate the debt to the FED. It was obtained through false premises and overt deception. But calling "bullshit" on bankers, usually has a strange habit of turning into war.

Dump all their toxic assets. Make a super-fund deposit...

... in the toxic dumps around the world. Dismiss all debts & chains that bond us.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

I feel

That this question makes the assumption that it isn't doing what it is doing to the currency on purpose.

Sustainability: http://www.compostforsale.net

Of course it's on purpous.

My point with the post is the aftermath of a very possible collapse and about eliminating the illusion in many peoples minds that fiat currencies can work.

If the Fed goes down the drain on it's own and we call it, many people will wake up.

If we "force it" (that's what the defenders of fiat currency might say we are responsible for one day) to go down with audits etc.. We might be blamed (by defenders of fiat currency and even worse, by most people who just do not comprehend how money is created) for the fall of the Fed and the "funny money".

www.youtube.com/truefictions

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