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Iran vs. USA

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I think this would be more effective

if it compared actual military actions rather than including such things as "sabotage, bombings or attempted government overthrows". The US has a long history of such actions, not least of which is Iraq on Iran's western border and Afghanistan on its eastern border and having a military flotilla off its coast. Comparing the different sizes and military capability of the the two countries as well as the number of nuclear weapons would also be similar.

Iran posing a legitimate military threat to the US is laughable, the US posing a legitimate military threat to Iran is certain.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Kawait should be Iran's list

That is just what I know and I havn't even investigated the topic.

Infact, Iran Isn't innocent at all.
Why shuffle through one countries propaganda and compare it with another countries propaganda?

Kent A Davis

Re Iran, you're correct about Kuwait, but

it's not as if it came out of the blue. It was connected to the Iran-Iraq War (September 1980 to August 1988). "Kuwait had heavily funded the eight-year-long Iraqi war against Iran. Kuwait's large-scale economic assistance to Iraq often triggered hostile Iranian actions against it. Iran repeatedly targeted Kuwaiti oil tankers in 1984 and fired weapons at Kuwaiti security personnel stationed on Bubiyan island in 1988." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait

But forgetting the above action and whether, given the circumstance, it would be defined as defensive, you made me curious to know whether there were other examples where Iran had attacked a country. I'm not saying there isn't, but trying a few different search terms, I wasn't able to find anything.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I emailed that chart to a "tea party" neighbor

Oh brother. I emailed that chart to a "tea party" neighbor.

Here is his response -

"Iran invaded Iraq and, if I recall, took part in the 7 day war against Israel and is currently supporting Syria. It has a history of wars going back for centuries. Iran right now is a pimple . If it had the resources and was not afraid of retaliation it would likely try to acquire some of its neighbors, especially Israel."

I'm afraid there's no hope for many...

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

I'm no fan of Iran, but this

I'm no fan of Iran, but this guy seems not to have learnt history.

Huh? What 7 days war? The Six-Day War was before the current Iranian regime, and Iran wasn't even involved in it - Iran was a US ally at the time! A lot of the countries that were involved in the Six-Day War, like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Libya and Jordan, were also allies of the United States, and some of them continue to be, despite being almost certainly as anti-Israel as Iran.

Iraq invaded Iran first - the Iranians merely pushed them back into Iraq. Technically still an invasion, but arguably a defensive one.

Iran also has no border with Israel...

The Syrian rebels are radical Muslim Brotherhood-backed Islamists and if they got in power, would probably be worse than the Iranians. Even the Tea Party-types like Moran, Bachmann and Walsh get that.

There is hope for many. People just need to be educated. Reply to him and teach him, include as many sources as possible to make him feel as stupid as possible.

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It NEVER was about Muslims vs. Jews. It is Planners SPREADSHEETS


Help yourself with the video I linked to, from there :


Their relevant spreadsheet tab was labeled :

"H A T E - Management and milestones. Scheduling and Geopolitical distribution."

They just didn't have computers at the time, to optimize it.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Please correct: Congo twice in the list

"Democratic Republic of the Congo" and "Belgian Congo" is the same country.

UFOs are real
4 Hour Witness DVD (radar operators, pilots, scientists, military)
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud49Gh9yYLs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAxxRKksQ

list is not accurate

Turkey hasn't been attacked by the USA. Maybe get your facts straight if you wish to curry favour?

Iran is certainly no poster child but it was a cool place back in the 70's before the religious idiots took over. Beirut was really cool.

Isreal and Iran are but tiny puppets to the military industrial complex which makes trillions off of the divisions that have been created. It really sucks that our govt keeps funding the scheme.

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

Turkey and Poland would count

Turkey and Poland would count as "attempted government overthrow"

UFOs are real
4 Hour Witness DVD (radar operators, pilots, scientists, military)
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud49Gh9yYLs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAxxRKksQ



The United States and Iran signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement as part of the United States Atoms for Peace program. The agreement provided for U.S. technical assistance and the lease of enriched uranium to Iran. It also called for research cooperation on peaceful nuclear energy uses.


November – The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, supplied by the United States, opened. It was equipped with a 5-megawatt nuclear research reactor called the Tehran Research Reactor (TRR), fueled by highly enriched uranium.


July 1 – Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Parliament ratified it in February 1970. Uranium enrichment was allowed under the treaty.


May 15 – Iran signed the NPT’s Safeguards Agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The safeguards allowed inspections for the purpose of verifying that nuclear enrichment for
peaceful nuclear energy is not diverted to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.

November – West German company Kraftwerk Union, a subsidiary of Siemens, agreed to construct two 1,200-megawatt light water reactors to produce nuclear energy at Bushehr. Construction began in August 1975, but the formal contract was not signed until mid-1976.


The Ford administration expressed support in principle for the shah’s plan to develop a full-fledged nuclear power program to diversify Iran’s energy sources. The shah wanted the capacity to generate 23,000 megawatts of electricity with the ability to reprocess U.S.-supplied fuel.


April 20 – President Gerald Ford issued National Security Decision Memorandum 324 supporting the shah’s ambitions and helping Iran formulate a plan to build 23 nuclear power reactors. But the
administration refused to allow Iran to have the independent reprocessing capabilities sought by the shah. Ford’s memorandum instead approved a multinational reprocessing plant in Iran that would also
enable the United States to participate in the project. Iran rejected the multinational option and pushed for a comprehensive national nuclear program.


August - President Carter reopened negotiations on the shah’s quest for a nuclear energy program.

January – Iran and the United States initialed a nuclear agreement in which Iran agreed to safeguards beyond NPT requirements. In return, the United States granted Iran "most favored nation" status for
reprocessing so that Iran would not be discriminated against when seeking permission to reprocess U.S.-supplied fuel.


After the 1979 revolution, the United States stopped supplying highly enriched uranium for the Tehran Research Reactor.

July 31 – Kraftwerk Union terminated work on the Bushehr reactor when Iran failed to make payments.


February – German engineers returned to Iran to do a feasibility study to complete the Bushehr reactor.

March 24 – Iraq’s attack on the Bushehr nuclear power plant did serious damage.

December – Iran opened a nuclear research center at Isfahan with China’s assistance. In 1985, China supplied the center with a "training reactor."


May 5 – After 18 months of negotiations, Argentina concluded a $5.5 million deal with Tehran to supply a new core for the Tehran Research Reactor so it would operate with only 20 percent enriched uranium,
instead of the previous 90 percent. In 1989, Argentina replaced the core. In 1993, Argentina delivered around 50 pounds of 20 percent enriched uranium to fuel the reactor.


Oct. 9 – Iran decided to rebuild the damaged Bushehr nuclear power plant.


Aug. 25 – Russia and Iran signed a cooperation agreement on the civil use of nuclear energy, including construction of a nuclear power plant.


January –Iran signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Atomic Energy to build a light water reactor at Bushehr under IAEA safeguards. Russia was under a contractual obligation to complete the plant within 55 months. The project’s completion was delayed until August 2010.


May – The IAEA expanded the Safeguards Agreement by adopting the Additional Protocol. Under the latter, inspectors would be allowed to conduct short notice inspections and be provided with multiple
entry/exit visas. Iran signed the Additional Protocol in 2003, but had not ratified it as of 2010.


Feb. 23 – The Clinton administration opposed Iran's nuclear energy program on grounds that Iran had sufficient oil and gas reserves for power and that work on the nuclear power reactor could indirectly
contribute to a weapons program.

March 6 – Under U.S. pressure, Ukraine announced that it would not sell
two turbines for use at the Bushehr reactor.


May 7 – Russia said Iran wanted to expand nuclear cooperation, potentially including the building of a second nuclear power plant.

May 19 – President Mohammad Khatami paid a five-day state visit to Saudi Arabia, where Iran and Saudi Arabia issued a joint statement expressing support for turning the Middle East into a zone free of
weapons of mass destruction. They said Israel's production and stockpiling of nuclear weapons, along with its non-compliance with international laws and treaties, posed a serious threat to peace and
security in the region.


March 14 – President Clinton signed the Iran Nonproliferation Act, which allowed the United States to sanction individuals and organizations providing material aid to Iran’s nuclear, chemical, biological and ballistic missile weapons programs.


March 12-15 – Russian President Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Khatami signed nuclear and military cooperation accords. Khatami said Iran wanted a second nuclear power plant after the completion of Bushehr.


Jan. 8 – Former President Akbar Has hemi Rafsanjani said, "Iran is not seeking to arm itself with non-conventional weapons."

Aug. 15 – The National Council of Resistance of Iran, an exiled opposition group, revealed that Iran was building two secret nuclear sites – a uranium enrichment plant and research lab at Natanz and a
heavy water production plant in Arak. President Khatami acknowledged the existence of Natanz and other facilities on Iran's state-run television and invited the International Atomic Energy Agency to visit

Sept. 1 – Russian technicians began to assemble heavy equipment in the Bushehr reactor, despite U.S. attempts to convince the Russians not to participate. But the plant faced frequent delays in construction.


Feb. 9 – President Khatami said Iran had discovered and extracted uranium in the Savand area. He cited Iran’s “legitimate right to obtain nuclear energy for peaceful aims” and expressed readiness to accept
international inspections of its nuclear activities.

May 6 – Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization presented the United Nations with a sketch of Iran's nuclear program, insisting that the program was peaceful.

May 17 – Tehran backed a proposal by Syria to rid the Middle East of weapons of mass destruction.

June 19 – An IAEA report did not find Iran in violation of the NPT but said Iran should have been more forthcoming about the Natanz uranium enrichment facility and the Arak heavy water production plant. The U.N. watchdog agency later urged Iran to sign and ratify the Additional Protocol to the Safeguards Agreement of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which would allow inspectors more access to nuclear sites and the right to sudden inspections.

Aug. 26 – IAEA inspectors found traces of highly enriched uranium at Iran’s Natanz nuclear plant. Iran claimed the traces came from equipment imported from another country.

Sept. 19 – President Khatami said, "We don't need atomic bombs, and based on our religious teaching, we will not pursue them...but at the same time, we want to be strong, and being strong means having
knowledge and technology."

Sept. 25 – U.N. weapons inspectors found traces of highly enriched weapons-grade uranium at a second site near the capital city of Tehran. The IAEA set a deadline of Oct. 31 for Iran to prove it was not making nuclear weapons.

Oct. 21 – In talks with Britain, France and Germany (EU-3), Iran agreed to suspend uranium enrichment and processing activities and to open nuclear sites to unannounced inspections by the U.N. watchdog agency. It also agreed to sign the Additional Protocols of the Non- Proliferation Treaty and its safeguards agreement with the IAEA.

Oct. 24 – 1,500 Iranian protestors gathered in Tehran to denounce the recently concluded agreement between Tehran and the EU-3.

Nov. 12 – The IAEA concluded there was no evidence of a secret nuclear weapons program in Iran but showed concern about its production of plutonium. President Khatami said that the plutonium was used for manufacturing pharmaceuticals and the small amount produced by Iran could not make a nuclear bomb.
Dec. 18 – Tehran signed the Additional Protocol to the Non- Proliferation Treaty’s Safeguards Agreement. The Additional Protocol granted IAEA inspectors greater authority in their nuclear verification programs. Since then, Iran has at times voluntarily allowed more intrusive inspections, but the Iranian parliament has not yet ratified the Additional Protocol.


Feb. 22 – Iran acknowledged having secretly bought nuclear parts from international sources, although Tehran continued to insist that its goal was electricity production and not nuclear weapons.

Apr. 7 – Iran declared its plans to construct a heavy water reactor to produce radioisotopes for medical research. Western envoys warned that the facility could reprocess the spent fuel rods to produce plutonium.

Aug. 28 – President Khatami said Iran had a right to enrich uranium and was willing to provide guarantees to the IAEA that it was not developing nuclear weapons.

Oct. 6 – Tehran announced that it had produced tons of the hexafluoride gas needed to enrich uranium by converting a few tons of yellowcake uranium.

Nov. 14 – In negotiations with Britain, France and Germany, Iran accepted the Paris accord, which recognized Tehran's rights to pursue nuclear technology for peaceful purposes and reaffirmed Iran's
commitment not to acquire nuclear weapons. In exchange, Iran voluntarily agreed to temporarily suspend uranium enrichment activities and allow the IAEA to monitor the suspension.

Nov. 15 – The IAEA reported that it had not found any evidence that Iran had tried to develop nuclear weapons, although it could not rule out the existence of nuclear materials that had not been declared.

Nov. 22 – Iran invited the IAEA to monitor the suspension of all enrichment-related activities.

Nov. 30 – Iran said that it had not abandoned its right to enrich uranium and that the suspension was only temporary. European officials hoped to make the suspension permanent in return for trade deals and other incentives.

Dec. 22 – Iran’s intelligence minister announced the arrest of more than 10 people on spying charges. Tehran charged the spies were passing sensitive information on Iran’s nuclear program to the Israeli Mossad and the CIA.


Jan. 13 – IAEA inspectors were only allowed partial access to the Parchin military base near Tehran. Under the NPT, Iran was not required to allow inspectors into its military bases. But the Bush administration consistently expressed concern that Iran’s failure to allow full access to its suspected military bases and facilities was linked to a secret nuclear weapons program.

Jan. 17 – President Bush said military action against Iran remained an option, "if it continues to stonewall the international community about the existence of its nuclear weapons program."

Feb. 7 - Iran's Minister of Defense Ali Shamkhani said in an interview that it was not in Iran's national interest to acquire nuclear weapons.

Feb. 28 – Tehran and Moscow signed an agreement that stipulated that Russia would supply nuclear fuel for the Bushehr facility and that Iran would return all spent fuel rods to Russia to ensure the fuel was not diverted for other use.

May 15 – Iran’s parliament approved a non-binding resolution urging the government to resume uranium enrichment for peaceful use.

Aug. 1 – Iran informed the IAEA that it had decided to resume activities at the Isfahan uranium conversion center. The U.N. nuclear watchdog agency urged Iran not to take any action that would prejudice negotiations with Britain, France and Germany (the EU-3) or undermine the IAEA inspection process.

Aug. 5 – Britain, France and Germany (the EU-3) proposed the “Framework for a Long-term Agreement” to Iran. The deal offered assistance in developing peaceful nuclear energy in exchange for a binding commitment that Iran would not to pursue fuel cycle activities other than for light water power and research reactors. It also called for a halt on construction of a heavy water research reactor at Arak. Iran rejected the proposal, as it required Tehran to abandon all nuclear fuel work.

Aug. 8 – Iran resumed uranium conversion at the Isfahan facility under surveillance of the IAEA.

Aug. 9 – Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa forbidding the “production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons.”

Aug. 11 –The IAEA urged Iran to suspend all enrichment activities and re-instate IAEA seals.

Sept. 24 –The IAEA found Iran in noncompliance with the NPT Safeguards Agreement and decided to refer Tehran to the U.N. Security Council for further action. The decision followed Iran’s repeated failure to fully report its nuclear activities. Tehran countered that it might suspend its voluntary implementation of the Additional Protocol that allowed more intrusive and sudden inspections.

Nov. 20 –Iran’s parliament approved a bill requiring the government to stop voluntary implementation of the Safeguards Agreement’s separate Additional Protocol, which allowed more intrusive and surprise
inspections, if Iran were referred to the Security Council. The parliament did not move to block normal inspections required under the Safeguards Agreement, which had been ratified by parliament in 1974.


January – Iran broke open internationally monitored seals on the Natanz enrichment facility and at two related storage and testing locations, which cleared the way to resume nuclear fuel research under IAEA

Feb. 4 – The IAEA voted to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council for its non-compliance with its NPT Safeguards Agreement obligations.

July 31 – The U.N. Security Council passed Resolution 1696 demanding that Iran suspend its uranium enrichment activities within one month. No sanctions were imposed but the resolution warned that "appropriate measures" would be taken in the case of Iranian non-compliance. Tehran called the resolution illegal.

Aug. 26 – Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad inaugurated a heavy water production plant at Arak. The United States expressed concern that the heavy water would be used in the heavy water reactor at Arak to produce plutonium, an ingredient in making nuclear weapons.

Oct. 2 – President Bush signed into law the Iran Freedom Support Act, which imposed economic sanctions on nations and companies that aided Iran's nuclear program.

Dec. 23 – The U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 1737, sanctioning Iran for its failure to comply with Resolution 1696 and halt uranium enrichment. The resolution banned the sale of nuclear-
related technology to Iran and froze the assets of key individuals and companies related to the nuclear program.


March 24 – The U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 1747, which banned the sale of arms to Iran increased the freeze on assets.

Dec. 4 – A U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear activities said there was evidence that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. It assessed with “moderate confidence” that
Iran had not re-started its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007. The findings contradicted the 2005 U.S. intelligence assessment that Tehran was seeking nuclear weapons capability.


Feb. 22 – An IAEA report concluded that Iran had not fully answered the international community's questions about its nuclear program and testing of new centrifuge technology for faster uranium enrichment. The report was based in part on intelligence acquired by the Bush administration that allegedly pointed to Iranian efforts to weaponize nuclear materials. The data was extracted from a laptop reportedly smuggled out of Iran in 2004.

March 3 – The U.N. Security Council approved Resolution 1803, imposing further economic sanctions on Iran.

July 18 – The Bush administration agreed to send U.S. Undersecretary of State William Burns to Geneva to participate with his European counterparts in talks with Iran about its nuclear program. But Iran
again rejected the suspension or freeze of its enrichment activities.

Sept. 26 – The U.N. Security Council passed Resolution 1835 which reaffirmed three earlier rounds of sanctions against Iran. No new sanctions were imposed, largely because of objections by Russia and


Sept. 25 – President Obama, French President Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Brown told a press conference that Iran had a covert fuel enrichment plant near Qom. Iran said it had already confirmed the construction of a new pilot enrichment plant to the IAEA in a letter four days earlier. Critics said Tehran disclosed the site once it discovered the facility was already under surveillance.

Oct. 1 – Iran met in Geneva with permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany to discuss Iran's nuclear program. The parties outlined a proposal for Iran to ship 80 percent of its stockpile of low-enriched uranium from Natanz to Russia. The shipment would then go to France for further enrichment and fabrication of fuel rods for the Tehran Research Reactor, which produced isotopes for medical use.

Oct. 19-21 – The early October talks in Geneva were continued in Vienna with the presence of the IAEA, on the transfer of Iran’s low-enriched uranium. A consensus was reached on a draft agreement. The United States, France and Russia approved the agreement, but Iran backed down due to domestic opposition.


Feb. 12 – President Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had produced 20 percent enriched uranium, up from 3.5 percent, in a move that marked a major increase in its capabilities. He said Iran had the capability to enrich the fuel even further.

May 17 – Turkey, Brazil and Iran agreed to a nuclear deal similar to the agreement outlined in Geneva in 2009. The proposal called for the transfer of 1,200 kg of low-enriched uranium (3.5 percent) to Turkey,
in exchange for 120 kg of 20 percent enriched uranium needed to run the Tehran Research Reactor. The United States and Europeans rejected the deal because Iran had increased its uranium stockpile. The 1,200 kg then represented only about half of Iran’s stockpile, rather than the 80 percent it had in the October 2009 deal. Washington also believed the move was a delaying tactic to avert sanctions.

June 9 – The U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 1929, imposing a fourth round of sanctions on Iran. They included tighter financial measures and an expanded arms embargo. President Ahmadinejad said the sanctions were a "used handkerchief that should be thrown in the dustbin," and that they were "not capable of harming Iranians."

June 24 – Congress approved the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010. It passed unanimously in the Senate and overwhelmingly in the House. The bill expanded existing
U.S. sanctions on Iran. It imposed extensive sanctions on foreign companies that export refined petroleum to Iran or invest in Iran’s energy sector. The legislation went well beyond U.N. Resolution 1929.

July 6 – Iran announced that talks with U.N. Security Council and Germany could begin in September.

July 11 – Iran announced it had produced 20 kilograms of 20 percent enriched uranium and had begun work on fuel plates. The fuel was to be delivered to the Tehran Research Reactor by September 2011, for creating medical isotopes. Western powers have repeatedly expressed fear that Iran’s capability to enrich 20 percent would help it produce nuclear weapon material, which is around 90 percent.

July 26 – The European Union passed sanctions, which banned technical assistance to Iran’s oil and gas industry.

Aug. 13 – The Russian Federal Atomic Energy Agency (Rosatom) announced that the first reactor at the Bushehr would soon be loaded with nuclear fuel and become Iran’s first operational nuclear power plant.

Aug. 21 – An official launch ceremony was held to mark completion of the Bushehr reactor, after years of delays. Iran began loading the plant with fuel, in hopes of making it fully operational within a few
months. As part of the deal, Russia supplied the reactor with fuel and Iran is required to send back the spent fuel to Russia.

Dec.6-7 – Iran met in Geneva with members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany for negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program. The group agreed to meet again in January 2011 in Istanbul.


As General Butler said

"War is a racket"

And the US has become "Murder Inc." because it PAYS.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

That about sums it up!

That about sums it up!

You are clearly

You are clearly anti-American. Those countries love us for what we did whether they realize it or not. /sarcasm



President of Iran love REAL JEWS

I don't pretend to understand these Jews who are who are Zionist that do not regard God

ahh I get it...

This post was unpatriotic and terrorist in nature. Dont you DARE say or even imply the US government or military is bad or would cospire together with other parties for benefit of the bankers. These soldiers are heros who fight for America. Dont you DARE say any of this. I want you to redact this and apologize. This is SOOO unpatriotic. ;-)

The real threat..

is the one in the middle.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I get what this graphic is after, but ......

The commentary of the foreign affairs behavior of both countries is not entirely fair. The USA is being critizised for military reactions which occurred before the neocons and democons took over. And I am reasonably certain that Iran is not without blood on its hands. I'm not saying it is wrong, but it is a bit inaccurate.

Liberty is not free, It must be earned!

The Neocons took over us in

The Neocons took over us in 1913, a LONG time before that first date in that list.

There you have it - pretty much says it all AND...

...it proves this has nothing to do with nukes.

But it has EVERYTHING to do with the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKERS pissed off that Iran has the NERVE to trade its oil for something OTHER than U.S. dollars.

Just as the book "Jekyll Island" explains, all (more recent) wars are fought at the behest of the bankers who fund BOTH sides and stand to gain win or lose.

WE are just the pawns being moved around for them.

Anyone joining the U.S. military today had better realize they are NOT defending our country, but are being used to enrich world central bankers.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Unfortunately, too many

Unfortunately, too many citizens are still listening to the corporate controlled news media and not doing their own research.That would require too much effort on their part. G.Edward Griffin: "If America is to survive as a free nation, its citizens must become far more politically educated than they are at present." America has far more citizens loyal to the government than the country because of so much government dependence.

Bob Marshall

What about South Africa

Yes.. love us or hate us, our government was taken over. Yes we did Apartheid and yes it was wrong (esp after Dr Pauls teachings), but it is like 2 toxic waste companies and the powerful one with money and media snitches on the other for dumping toxic waste in the ocean. Now the company does not give a shit about the other dumping stuff in the sea, he merely wants to see the other company go down so he can take market share.

So yes white South Africans weren't angels, but the poeple taking us over aren't angels either and NO, Africans aren't running South Africa, Mandela with all the Hollywood stars was smoke and mirrors.

At present post-Apartheid Gill Marcus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_Marcus (both parents eastern European communists), herself a former communist, now part of the ANC and now running our PRIVATISED central bank. Hellen Zille http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille former left wing progressive now in the MAIN opposition party that have rebranded themselves right of centre to get the minority white/Indian/mixed race/emerging black middle class vote. But yeah still bunch of socialists. and then look AT THE NON-AFRICAN ministers within the ANC ruling party and some powerful retail and mining families within South Africa to get an idea who is really running South Africa.

During Aprtheid we were used by Henry Kissinger to fight off the Russians in Angola, Unita was a joke, often we had 32 Battalion dressed up as rag tag Unita soldiers. 32 Battalion was actually a black unit where whites and blacks fought side by side and were like brothers.

Kissinger asked us to fight yet the west put an arms embargo against us and we had to use 60s Mirages to go against Russian Migs. We also had heavy sanctions put against us even though we fought in WW1, WW2 and the Korean war and against Russian infiltration in Angola (one of the few times in the Cold War where Warsaw pact pilots, Russian spec ops and around 30-40000 Cuban Soldiers were actually deployed)

Here is an article about murder figures during apratheid and post Aprtheid http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/321.htm

The international Cabal were not happy that the Boers were running things, they wanted it in their hands, but it took them decades of relentless sanctions (we were the first in the world to untilize the German invention extracting oil from coal because the sanctions were that bad) The Boers are very similar type of poeple to you Americans, we took on the British empire during the early 1900s at one stage they had 500000 British troops against 25000 bitter enders, although we lost we managed to get a conditional surrender.

You guys beat the English, but are facing sithering slimy snakes.


So now we know:

"The Rest of the Story"

Great post!...Thanks!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Iran circa 1979 ... etc., etc., etc....

"Wings of Eagles" Ross Perot trying to free the Electronic Data Systems (EDS) employees stuck in Iran. He was the company founder & CEO. He authored the book: "Wings of Eagles" Ross Perot

Later American Helicopters made ungraceful landings (crashes) in the Iranian open countryside for all to see. Stated intentions were something about freeing hostages held in the US Embassy in Tehran, Iran. Why they landed in the wide open range far from downtown for all to see was not discussed.

Arms or Hostages?

"Another fine mess you've gotten us into." - Oliver "Ollie" Hardy (not to be confused with North).

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

You just hate America

The Facts Hate America "First"!


(Just kidding for our more dense visitors)

SteveMT's picture

Yemen, What about Yemen?

Yup. Yemen also. America loves undeclared wars.

29 Dead in 8 Days as U.S. Puts Yemen Drone War in Overdrive
By Noah Shachtman - September 5, 2012 | 2:44 pm |

29 dead in a little over a week. Nearly 200 gone this year. The White House is stepping up its campaign of drone attacks in Yemen, with four strikes in eight days. And not even the slaying of 10 civilians over the weekend seems to have slowed the pace in the United States’ secretive, undeclared war.

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And what about Pakistan


SteveMT's picture

The list of undeclared seems endless, reed.

Yup. Pakistan, also.