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What would Ron Paul do ?

I'm guessing He'd vote his conscience, and vote for Neither.

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Let me ask the Obama voters

Let me ask the Obama voters two questions. Do they live in non-swing states? If so, could they please explain why they would still vote for Obama under those circumstances rather than vote for a third candidate?

"Tell me your thoughts and ideas"

Go fuck yourself or I should say "yourselves" since I think there is a band of merry assholes who are trying their best to bend us to a certain direction. One that gets us to forgo our principles for their Man to win.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Here's a New Improved "Twist"

.....although this thought really gives me much pain;
A vote for Obummer will really act in two ways:

(1)The question of voter fraud will be implanted firmly in every voting Independent,and Republican voter's psyche.
"How the Hell did THIS HAPPEN??!"....Fraud will be suspect.

(2)The path to 2016 for Rand and like-minded Libertarians will be cleared and more widely accepted...maybe even Gary Johnson.

I am personally still torn between three courses of action:
#1:a vote for Johnson as
(a)Hail Mary Pass...could it happen?
(b)Protest Vote
or.....
#2: A vote for Paul..if a write-in is allowed in my state,
as a protest...which may still be stolen.
#3: To ABSTAIN....already the MSM predicts low voter turnout.

To vote for Romney will surely assure 8 more years of GOP Thugs,
and I really feel he is planned to fail...much as McCain.

The airwaves are alive with the usual cast of characters;
Levin,OReally,Shammity....begging for ANYONE BUT OBAMA,
(Spell that Romney)
......It is such a farce....the illusion of choice?

TPTB will be installing whomever they please actually...of THAT I am convinced.....all my friends and relatives sleep on...unaware.

You thoughts appreciated.....42 DAYS LEFT!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Let me get this right

The principled people on the DP site that don't vote for Obombya are either trolls or misinformed?..ok,
well good luck on your mission to restructure the status quo, and elect your candidate of choice.

I really mean that, no matter how naive it may sound.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

the "principle"

folks on this site are either gop trolls trying to ensure the Ron Paul folks dont use their vote for its most leverage - i.e. against romney.

Or they have no clue the battle and war we are in with the GOP.

Please stay home and make the poll lines shorter for those of us actually fighting the battle(against the gop).

P.S. if you think the democrat party is your enemy, MORE than the GOP, you REALLY are bringing a knife to a gun fight

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

Right... now being principled is a bad word too.

lol.. You pukes are a riot.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

hey rp4pres

if you were in a war - like against chairman mau or polpot as the leader of your country, would you be an ally with communists or other supposed bad folks in your country so you could kill these tyrants or their minions?

I certainly hope not because "DONT YOU HAVE PRINCIPLES"?

Once again, your in a war within the gop for what'll happen in 2016 and beyond.
Im as principled or more so than you are, trust me, Im just smart enough to not fall into the "anybody but evil obama" meme and voting for GJ or RP at this point helps romney win.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

"Im as principled or more so than you are, trust me"

Sure you are.

"Im just smart enough to not fall into the "anybody but evil obama" meme"

Really? Cause that sure doesn't seem like it to me. I'll vote for Ron Paul as a write-in. I would never vote for Romney (Polpot) nor Obama (Mao).

Again.. My plan is to vote my conscience. If by chance Obama gets in.. It's not the end of the world. This will actually work to Liberty's benefit. Romney won't be able to have a shot at 8 years and a chance at congress and senate being both repubes while he's in office.

Meanwhile Obama's dictatorship will oppress more and more and break the backs of America in general by attacking Liberty and economic Freedom.. He'll run this country into the ground.

I'll sit by and watch Rome burn then we'll build our country back from the ashes.

Since many believe that Romney is the next beast looking to take over.. Voting for either of them is ridiculous.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

A vote for evil is a vote for evil.

There's no trolling going on here.

"Or they have no clue the battle and war we are in with the GOP." -anonymous1

"war is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses." -Thomas Jefferson

nice sig

poq

love it when folks like you kill the messenger(me).

your in a war whether you recognize it or not.
If you want libertarians to have any influence in the gop at all, it aint gonna happen if romney wins.
If you wont go do whatever it takes to ensure romney loses, go vote for GJ in your basement, or write in Ron Paul(if you can in your state - duh!) it'll have as much effect.

Interesting how the gop had the ability and focus enough to flush Ron Paul, but you guys all think GJ is gonna be a viable candidate with the ability to win.
You do realize that like 1/10 of the people who know who Ron Paul is know Gary Johnson right? LOL

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

saying "a vote for evil is a vote for evil"

Is killing the messenger? I am attacking the message, that voting Obama is somehow a good thing, not the messenger. You're other assumptions are just that. You are flailing and using strawmen fallacies because I don't agree with you or the ops argument.

What I said is what it is and has nothing to do with you or the op. I was not remotely implying you are somehow evil but that the act of voting for evil is still evil regardless how it is rationalized. Do what you will. I am not the judge of you, but I will not take part in this strategy.

The quotes I reposted from your comment were not an attack on you either.
I was pointing out the flaw in your argument with your own words and signature in hopes you would address that seeming incongruence or at least think about the cognitive dissonance it presents. Do you agree with that quote of Mr. Jefferson? If not why do you have it there? I agree with it. I had never seen it until I saw it on your signature but I whole heartedly agree with its sentiment. According to your statement you want to redress wrongs using the instrument of war. You say we're at war and must act accordingly. Well Jefferson said war is entirely inefficient toward redressing wrongs. War multiplies instead of indemnifies losses. So how do you reconcile your do whatever it costs war against Romney, Obama or status quo with jefferson's statement?

I believe this one applies too:
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." -Thomas Jefferson

I have nothing against you anonymous1 just the idea that we must compromise our principles to save them.

I absolutely agree with Jefferson's statement

I would also bet that Jefferson fought some wars within the party in his day.
He's talking about military war.

Im talking about the intra-gop war for who will control the party's candidates and platform. Where will we go to have influence if romney wins?
If obama wins he wont run this country into the ground any faster than romney and the upside is, by 2016, MAYBE the gop will begin listening and we might be able to propose a Tom Woods or Judge Nap.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

brent1201

you're catching up.
I've been pushing this strategy for a few months now.

Here's the bottom line and frankly it doesnt matter who thinks what, what Im about to say is the truth no matter.

If romney wins the libertarian movement within the gop is dead.
his win will confirm they dont need us
If romney loses, we get obama for 4 more years
1. the republican congress will stall against obama during that time AND
2. we save the US about 10 million dollars. - i.e. about the same as 200 students paying back their student loan debt. given the other post on the DP, this should resonate with the morally high and mighty here.

we get to have some influence within the gop for the next candidate on the basis of "try us again" and see if we dont put the democrat in AGAIN! in 2016.

whats the message this sends?

either allow the libertarian people to heavily influence choice of candidate or lose ANOTHER election.

Remember this: the reason the gop wants the president's office is the dictatorial power that exists there now and they know it cause bush opened it up.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

If you wish

to vote for a tyrant, either tyrant, that's your perogitive, go right ahead.
Myself, I would prefer to not disregard principle, and act on conviction. However I certainly would not presume doing otherwise would influence the outcome of a national election, and if by chance that were possible, I would still act on principle.
My view of course, you do whatever is right for you.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Never vote lessor of the 2 evils...still evil

Not Robama, never!

I've thought of that too...

... at least the general principle. But here, you have to vote your conscience on who would be the better candidate and why. Since Obama is a communist without apology, I don't know how you could live with yourself, whereas, a vote for someone else would truly be wiser. Then, let providence take over... or voting machines... where ever your faith is at, lol.

I'm a card carrying

I'm a card carrying Republican, and I'm voting my conscience and my conscience says this will help Rand in the future.

If more people fear Obama's a communist, the more they'll run to liberty. 4 more years of Obama will send more people our way. 4 years of Romney crushes Rand's chances....

Do you live in a non-swing

Do you live in a non-swing state? If so, your argument does not apply to you.

especially Swing states

Romney wants to start more wars than Obama, just think of that when you vote.

I said NON swing state.

I said NON swing state. Please address.

It depends how you personally view the act of voting,

so you won't find any consensus here. Strategically, it might be a good idea. But as someone else said, do you want it on your conscience? It's up to you, friend, and I won't tell you who to vote for.

I I buy the argument that it

If I buy the argument that it makes strategic sense, which I don't, then it makes absolutely no sense to vote for Obama if you live in a non-swing state. If the pro-Obama voters disagree on this, let's hear their argument.

You will marginalize yourselves.

Democrats who put the war issue or civil liberties above their perceived economic interests are few and far between; and, in any event, they will not vote for Mitt Romney. They will either not vote for Obama, vote for Jill Stein or vote for Gary Johnson. On the other hand, Republicans who put the war issue, civil liberties, social conservatism and monetary policy above their perceived economic interests make up the core of the GOP electorate and they will not vote for Mitt Romney, either. They will either not vote for president or they will vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode or Jill Stein. In a two-man race, Obama will beat Romney in an electoral landslide, capturing at least 40 states. If we get behind one candidate (Gary Johnson), Romney could very easily place third, and the two party monopoly would be finished. Johnson might even win.

You vote for Obama YOU are responsible for what he does

in office. Same with Romney. You want that on your conscience, be my guest. I don't play games with my vote. I wash my hands of both of them.

I'm not "playing games with

I'm not "playing games with my vote" I want Obama to win.

It's very simple, an Obama victory helps Rand. If you have an issue with that, then maybe you are on the wrong site.

An Obama or Romney victory helps no one and bloodies your hands

Rationalize supporting evil any way you want.

Throw the monkey wrench

Like it or not, Obama is the only way to not waste our votes. As you say, it is not an endorsement of Obama, but rather a firm denial of the globalists' hand-selected successor in Romney. Let them swing with Obama for 4 more long, hard years. More people will be forced to wake up as a result. A vote for a third party or write-in will be counted as a vote for Romney by Diebold, as the globalists want to move on to Romney to further advance their genocidal anti-American agenda.

Agreed. I'm voting for Obama

Agreed.

I'm voting for Obama anyway. Why? Because Romney and the GOP need to be taught a lesson. They also haven't learned anything from the Bush years, so a vote for Romney is an endorsement of those years.