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As a Lutheran, I condemn antisemitism

I condemn every aspect of antisemitism. We are all created in God's image, though that image has fallen due to original sin. Because we are God's children, we must love one another as Christ loved us. However, we Christians have fallen into traps of hate. My hero, Martin Luther, did. After advocating treating Jews well and trying to spread the message to them, he was betrayed to the Catholic Church by them. This caused him to be greatly embittered toward Jews, and unfortunately, he became a great and influential to antisemites everywhere.


I agree that calling Luther an antisemite is an anachronism at best. However, eugenicist and hatemongers everywhere have misused his diatribes to empower their positions.

Six million Jews died in the Holocaust. Many more also died under Stalin. Jews and Christians are being killed in the Middle East as our government installs Islamic dictatorships as they over through the moderate secular regimes like Qaddafi's and so on.

I recall an episode of Family Guy where they were taking a tour in Germany. The historical tour left out 1930-1944. The tour guide's response was they were all on vacation. I think that the antisemitic Holocaust deniers on here just think that 6 million Jews went on vacation during the Third Reich.

I am greatly ashamed of this. We need to stand with both Jews and Palestinians because NO ONE wins in war, not even the people who think they will win.


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The answer is within occultism

the division of the TRINITY....

You have the Divine Right Trinity, or what I call, the Trinity of Divinity - which is 3 god-heads from ancient babylonia that was heavily emphasized in the catholic church - which is, the SUN of God, the illumination, the light of the world. the origin of the 'halo' behind Jesus (symbolized as God)

you then have the Abrahamic based trinity, in which the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father, making them one in purpose, the Soul, would be only 2, which through Jesus' actual scripture can be proven there is not a god-head trinity that he spoke about.

Anti-Semitism spawns from Semitism itself, where does ZIONism come from? Who is the God Head of anycient egypt? Ra - who had 4 children. Z.eth I.sis. O.sirus. N.ephyt. Z.I.O.N... we know Osirus had Horus (the all seeing eye), Horus had Sumerius (statue of liberty in NYC).

So, who in the time of Christ would have benefitted from Christ being persecuted? Zionists. Whose temple crumbled after Jesus finished God's promise? Zionists. Who distorted the Crusades and slaughtered anyone who didn't believe what they did? Zionists. Who is responsible for Israels darkest historical period of the first century in A.D.? ZIONists.

I will be writing a book on this soon, I'll keep you updated.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

This is all based on

Nothing just FYI. Zionism is not even a Hebrew word. Zion in Hebrew is not spelled with English letters. Also Zion written in Hebrew has no vowels.

The Trinity is interpolated from many passages, however, it is expressed most clearly in the Great Commission.

Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

The Name = the Name of God. The Name was used by Jews to not say God's real name Yahweh out of respect for his Name. Notice that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have the same Name which you should baptize in. The Trinity is uniquely Christian. Babylonians were polytheistic. They might of had a triad of gods, Enil, Ea, and Anu, but neither of these beings had the same substance nor were all powerful.

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Thank you for proving my research true

That so many people are still confused.

If you take any consideration to the Latin Term Anoo Lucis - In the Year of the Light... you will have an accurate account of history and things will be easier to understand.

ZION is not a hebrew word, yet israel still uses this word (see any recent interview with President of Iran) ZION comes from egypt - babylon, the pagan origins you speak of. ZION is the abbreviation of the four chilren of egyptian god Ra...

Judaism is a monotheistic religion that never spoke about the god-head-trinity of the catholic church, nor did Jesus himself speak of the god-head-trinity of the catholic church.

You have to study all cultural history to understand this, and if you can go to the middle east yourself - you will know better.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

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i upvoted for truth

others here will down vote for the same reason
keep up the good work

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I upvoted just because it

I upvoted just because it isn't right to downvote for petty reasons - kindof tired of it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Thank you.

Look up what I said, you will find the truth in the words!

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Thank you, Deacon

It has been a decade of religious research, world travel to the middle east, understanding the literal translations with an open mind, and never ignoring the evil that exists in this world.

This past week, there was a long, several day discussion between an athiest who studied theology and did his thesis on the trinity of babylon, and my friend who is studying theology that did his thesis on the trinity of the Bible.

If we accurately translate "I am in the Father, the Father is in me" it's a huge literary distinction from "I am the Father, the Father is me". SUN of GOD.. Son of God.

I am so thankful you know the difference, the Kingdom of God is in our hearts, the absence of God is hell.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

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i also study the bibles

amongst other things
looking for truth,i know about the
is(isis)ra(RA) el(elohim)i have also
been asked to not come back to church (3)
for asking too many questions.I got to the point
that if a pastor,preacher ect ect couldn't answer
some biblical questions,truth was not in them,nor
were they teaching truth
i have asked a friend of mine to transcribe the word
from the scrolls,but i do not have 40 grand for that
i do believe that downvotes here is a sign of weakness
if there is not a comment joining it,it proves to me
they do not want to learn truth
i seek truth,always have,it is most important to me
hard to swallow at times,at times bitter,but it is what it is
here is a question i asked once or twice..if adam and eve
had 2 kids,cain kills abel,what other people out in the world
was he so afraid of? why did GOD place a mark on him,so he wouldn't be harmed? and this is in the first book!!
i could go on,but this isn't theological class

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It's divine intervention

My sister is a Christian, non-denominational, like me. I showed her and my mom(God bless her soul) the David Icke - five sense conspiracy video... if you youtube it and go to 1:20:00 it reveals the origin of occultism, it is only through my own study of theology, the trinity, and Christ that i was able to discern truth from distorted truth. Everything he says is accurate, excpet where he includes Christianity - which leads any one who does not have a previous understanding of biblical scripture to be led into thinking Jesus never existed.. Wrong, you and I can prove that.

As for your question on Cain and Abel - Sin was already of the earth at that time, so killing wasn't out of the question since death then became inevitable. Cain and Able provided offerings to God, Cain was jealous of what the offering Able did and he had hate fill his heart (remember why Shatan fell in the first place). Cain killed able, but yet the good deed of Able still lives.

Here is a perfect scripture for us to conclude our understanding. My sister provided it to me this morning because it made her think of my recent revelations (hamduallah). The entire verse expresses the beauty of faith and the first address is Cain and Able... now, since you have search and have seen the pagan mythology, take a very close look at the last words of the last verse - see that symbology being conquered through faith?! HALLELUJAH! HE IS RISEN.

Hebrew 11:1 - 34

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.

23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.

24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.

29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.

31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]

32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and >b>escaped the edge of the sword;

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

the problem with your post is that . . .

some of *us* (myself included) are not certain what anti-semitism even means--

are these people anti-Semitic?:


So, if someone uses the "Z" word--

or says something negative about the direction in which the leaders of Israel are taking "their" country and the world--

that person is anti-Semitic?

If so, then many Jews are anti-Semitic.

I have followed posters around on here for 3 years and called "foul!" when they write something about "Jews", rather than using the term "Zionists", and I have gotten into trouble or using the "Z" word as well--

I have also defended, besides Jews: Agnostics, atheistics, Bhuddists, Christians (even Catholics, Lutherans and Mormons!), Deists, Hindus, JEWS, again, and Muslims and Shintos--

but I am also very tired of hearing about Jews being killed in the holocaust when others are left out, repeatedly--

I saw the holocaust exhibit in the late 70s in Washington, D.C.--and I saw the nationalities/ethnic groups/religions of all involved--and I saw that there was no 'official' tally for the others--and I thought it strange--

Why can't we all be/play fair?

A Semite is someone who is descended from Shem though Abraham, and so everyone in the middle east is automatically a Semite--

but there are some of *us* who dare not protest that Israel has treated the Palestinians badly, for fear of being called "Anti-Semitic"--

how about these truly courageous people? Are they anti-Semites? They criticize Israel:


The Jews involved in this group (one of many groups, by the way) are treated very badly and sometimes jailed in Israel--

so . . .--

many of *us* are tired of the old 'anti-Semite!' accusation--

I am a Christian, but I have Jewish relatives, and I love them--

and I can see that something is terribly wrong in the middle east, and it's not just Islamic extremists--

And the truth about the holocaust?

If there were 5,999,999 people killed, then the 6 million figure is wrong--

if there were 6,000,001 people killed, then the 6 million figure is wrong--

so --

if there are people honestly wanting to know how many (which may be impossible to find out, and there are plenty of Jews wanting to know the truth, some of whom find out that persecution awaits them for questioning that number)--

were killed, how is that wrong?

I don't honestly care, and I won't get embroiled in it--

but I wonder why it's such a problem--

as a Christian I believe that someday we will know the exact number--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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+1 Ha ! Thank you. So well spoken

+1 Ha ! Thank you.

So well spoken. My feelings exactly.

I could not relate more, morally speaking, or put it better than you did, regarding pointing fingers to THE TRUE MURDERERS, who aren't of any specific faith or religion PRECISELY BECAUSE they have no faith NOR morality (while good atheists, with compassion, can have the latter, yet not the former).

Indeed, the true murderers :


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Being "Jewish" is a legal issue not a genetic one.

The scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day had developed an understanding of their status as the "Chosen People" of God that was largely based upon their descent from the patriarchs Abraham Isaac and Jacob which was the line of the promised "Seed" through whom the Abrahamic promise would be fulfilled. This understanding is the core of the present day Judaism. It is also possible to attach oneself to the "Jewish" people through conversion to their religion that is based upon the teachings of the Talmud.

However the scriptures themselves teach another story. It was always possible for anyone to join themselves to "Israel", the people of God and this was done very often. The only requirement at that time was to conform to the Law that was handed down through Moses which required allegiance to the God of Israel i.e. through faith in Him alone. This faith was then to be expressed though adherence to the Law in all its manifestations. In fact at least two of Jesus' ancestors belonged to this group, Rahab the prostitute and Ruth the wife of Boaz both of whom are named in His lineage because they are examples of such faith.

By the same token anyone could be cut off from the people of "Israel" most particularly if they refused to worship God in the prescribed fashion. This was to bring the blood of the sacrifice to the tent of meeting where it would be sprinkled on the altar by the priest to cleanse the heart of the penitent that the altar represents in type.

After the Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Promised Seed, the Lord Jesus Christ, this requirement was fulfilled once and for all in His sacrifice and validation as the Son of God. Now in order to enter into the fellowship of the people of God the requirement is simply to believe into the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ to receive the sprinkling of His blood on the altar of our hearts to remove our evil conscience and thereby to be reconciled to God the Father by grace through faith that itself is a gift of God.

This means that the only true Jews today are the believing Christians who have received the Lord Jesus Christ in this way since He is the High Priest of our profession and the King of the Jews. The identity of the tribe always rests in the head of that tribe. In this case the tribe is Judah who received the sceptre or Kingship that was bequeathed to them until the Deliverer should come to whom it really belonged. This Deliverer is the Lord Jesus Christ and the leaders and specifically the priests of the Jews crucified Him because they recognised Him and wanted to usurp His Kingship.

In the same way in 1948 the descendants of the same leaders and priests usurped the name of Israel, the Kingdom of God, that had been given to the tribe of Joseph in his sons Ephraim and Manasseh. Now as both the "Kingship" and the "Kingdom" have been usurped by the leaders and priests of the present day "Jews" they are responsible before God to bring forth the fruits of the Kingdom which is for them impossible since the fruits are the sons of God fully conformed to the image of God in the firstborn Son of God the Lord Jesus Christ whom they have crucified and continue to reject. This is why they are the quintessential antichrist.

They wrongly believe their status as the "Chosen People" of God gives them carte blanche to ride roughshod over all the nations of the Earth and to bring them into servitude. To them this is their God given mission to rule the world. They have been blinded for a reason. It is essential that mankind witness the apotheosis of the absolute government of men apart from God, the final outworking of the fall in Eden. This is what the Jewish State represents and why it is becoming the pariah of the nations of the world.

The only nations who are still blinded to this fact are the former Christian nations among whom are counted the descendants of the tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel who have been "lost" for about two thousand years. These comprise the nations of Europe and North America and it is they who constitute Joseph i.e. Ephraim (and Manasseh) in the modern world. When the true identity and mission of the counterfeit state of Israel is finally revealed to them they will destroy that nation and their city of Jerusalem.




"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

What is notable

What is notable is that Luther didn't turn against the jews until he was senile and about to die. But it's important to remember that his view of the jews was a religious one and not an ethnic one. In his view, an ethnic jew who became a christian was a christian rather than a jew. Another important point to note is that Luther was not only harsh with words towards the jews, he was harsh with words towards everyone including himself and towards his wife whom he loved. He considered himself to be a sack of maggots, and probably had harsher words for catholic leadership than jews. People who associate nazi-ism with luthranism don't understand what happened with the nazi's replacing clergy with their own people and putting non-compliant lutherans like Dietrich Bonhoeffer to death.

Oh that is the truth

100%. I have read everything I could on the subject. That is why I said in an earlier comment, that one wishes Luther would of died than write that work. It is a black blot on all the good work he did.

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Ok, I've seen the "Holocaust is Myth" Twice In This Thread

Can we not go there? Those of you denying the mass murder of Jews (and others) not only discounts several photos, videos, and direct testimony of our generals like letters from Eisenhower to Marshall. But you disregard the testimony of many Nazis like Rudolf Hoess and documented evidence of the final solution. Cmon now...

Racism looks only to it's own woes, not those of others

Actually, I said I wouldn't give it a special name as one genocide is not more important than another people's genocide. I wouldn't build a false legend.

I never said there wasn't a Jewish genocide. I said, if you study and care about all the other genocides of people, they actually are a lot alike, and you would avoid looking like a racist by concentrating on only one.

I posted this list, not my own:

I also mentioned the Holdomor, where up to 12 million people were killed by Stalin - and not the only genoicide by Stalin either.
The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, 'Морити голодом', literal translation Killing by hunger) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian SSR between 1932 and 1933. During the famine, which is also known as the "terror-famine in Ukraine" and "famine-genocide in Ukraine",[2][3][4] millions of Ukrainians died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[5]

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

six millllllllllllllllllion

that six million number was floated around american newspapers many years before 1944


just do some studying , you will find that the rabbit hole goes much deeper.

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Yeah, It Is

Do you have time to do the research?

You read the testimony of Rudolph Hoess who was the head of Auschwitz


He pretty much sums it all up about the orders coming down to mass exterminate.

You are partially correct though, many of the camps did not start out as death camps but who cares how they started, they were changed to death camps to institute his final solution.


Or how about a letter from Eisenhower to Marshall


I like how you keep talking about this proof of extermination

Read the link I posted. Hess is not a reliable source because he was tortured, as were many other high ranking Nazis. You think after having their testicles crushed over and over, these men wouldn't admit to anything they were told to? Look at all the stuff we got Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to confess to after we waterboarded him to death.

Heydrich's letter is one of many documents that were forged for the Nuremberg trial. And besides that, it never mentions mass murder anyway.

And the camp that Eisenhower is talking about in his letter is Ohrdruf in Gotha. It was a sub-camp of Buchenwald with about 100 bodies, of which about 20 were estimated to have been Jewish. Hardly proof of a "holocaust". Even according to the official holocaust story, Ohrdruf has never been considered to be a "death camp".

Do more research bro.

The "Holocaust" happened

It just didn't happen the way we're told it happened - much like 9/11...

Things are starting to surface that confirm this.

Like in the early 90s Auschwitz revised its numbers downward - a LOT. And it seems many of these pics of starving "Jews", were, in many cases, ordinary Germans.

Yet that "6 million" figure still stands....

the latest Auschwitz plaque reads 1.5 Million

died there.

And that was the largest concentration camp. It used to say 3 million. Nothing wrong with researching history for accuracy...doesn't mean you're anti-semetic. Those who take offense from the revised numbers should call the Auschwitz museum.

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I Agree on The Numbers

We can debate the numbers, the reality is we will never know for sure..

But to deny that it didn't happen and that there wasn't an actual effort for mass extermination is just ignoring the overwhelming evidence by our own soldiers, generals, photos, video, Nazi documentation, and even the testimony of Nazis themselves.

The funny thing is when I look at the holocaust deniers they generally fall in line with the Civil War was about slavery denials even though there is massive evidence including the Declaration of Causes of Secession where I find slaves and slavery over 60 times but states rights or rights of the states twice....

There's been an organized

There's been an organized effort for mass extermination for a lot of people. You sound like you are shocked it happened to Jewish people, like it's the only time its happened.

The list I posted has lots of genocides in the last hundred years. Some were a lot larger. Some were more horrible.

It's a tribute to a corrupt media that we only talk about one - one which we helped stop, instead of all of them and thereby actually getting rid of genocide.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

did people die

yes people died and refugees were created just like in any other war,

were groups of people sent to labor camps YES LABOR CAMPS not DEATH CAMPS

just watch some of the testimony from the SHOAH foundation from actual jews ,



do some studying you will see the rabbit hole is much much deeper

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

If the numbers are wrong

Then you must question the on-going effort to not change the 6 million figure, and the effort to CRIMINALIZE anyone who dares question ANYTHING about the incident...

From Justine N******:

"So, the guest speaker in my class last night was a theologian and an anthropologist. He actually went to Israel years ago to do some archaeological study of the Bible. I asked him one question when he finished his presentation. Here's how the conversation went:

Me: Do the Askenazis [Ashkenazi Jews] have any connection to the Biblical tribes of Israel?
Him: [Long silence]. No.
Me: Thanks. I just wanted to confirm that.
Him: No, there's no connection.

End of convo."

I wonder what would happen to Israel's support if all American Christians were very well aware that Ashkenazi Jews (which make up the majority of the world's population of "Jews") are in NO WAY related to the ancient Hebrews.

Sorry but DNA testing utterly refutes what you just posted.

The ignorance is amazing here. You can't deny the scientific data, unfortunately, despite your ignorance.

Seems the DNA testing confirmed this

Until it was catching on that the DNA testing confirmed this......NOW, suddenly, the "DNA testing no longer confirms this".

Sounds like the real results are being suppressed...I'm not surprised.

"It's a Trick, We Always Use It." (calling people "anti-Semitic"


The standard tactic of calling someone "anti-Semitic" is used to sabotage anyone who speaks out against the US government policy of supporting immoral and illegal Israeli policies which violate basic human rights.