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The Problems Oklahoma Dealt with from the Ron Paul Campaign State Coordinator

Oklahoma has been through a lot this election year. We had problems at our state convention, as many people know. But, it wasn’t just the “establishment” Republicans who we had problems with.

We also had problems with the Ron Paul National Campaign. We haven’t come out and said much about this, but I feel there is no reason to keep this under the radar anymore. This hasn’t been exactly a secret, but some of the details have not been out for all to see. We didn’t want this to cause the Campaign or us any problems back when this was all going down, but right now, I feel it would be beneficial to come out and say some more. I don’t want anyone to think the Ron Paul movement has some kind of tie or support to the person who caused us so much grief.

Back in January of this year, Al Gerhart (with the Sooner Tea Party), was appointed as the Oklahoma State Coordinator for the Ron Paul 2012 Campaign. This was a volunteer position. The end of January, I signed up as a volunteer for the campaign to be the Cherokee County Ron Paul 2012 Campaign Coordinator.

Because I was new to being very politically active, I met Al for the first time at the Ron Paul rally in Oklahoma City the end of February. What I encountered when I met Al was unique. But, it was just the beginning.

Being so new to being really active in the Party, I did not know the Ron Paul grassroots leadership who had been around since 2008, like Brady Wright, Lukus Collins, etc. I was slowly introduced to them via someone in my county, Shannon Grimes (who was also grassroots and had been around since 2008). But, this was a slow process over a month or two. When I signed up to be a county coordinator, I was told to not have contact with the grassroots supporters of Ron Paul. This made things rather difficult. I was torn between trying to coordinate both groups, yet not have contact with the one side.

We had great success in Cherokee County, Oklahoma. But, it had nothing to do with the campaign. I sent emails out to the identified RP supporters in our county and we had a great turn out at our County Convention. That night we came away with just over 50% of the delegates from my County. And it was all by God’s hand.

Anyways, what I attempted to do at first was have another friend be the contact point for the grassroots. But, this quickly showed it was not going to work. I tried to have this work as we were leading up to our District Convention. But, this is when I started to realize things were really fishy with the state coordinator that we had.

A few days before Oklahoma’s Congressional District 2 Convention, Al Gerhart sent an email out with instructions for everyone as to how to vote. The quote that got me was this,

“No doubt there are some grassroots candidates running for the same National Delegate slots but on Saturday you have a choice. Do you support Dr. Paul or do you support unofficial candidates that are unknown to the Ron Paul National Campaign.”

When he put the grassroots supporters up against Ron Paul, as if not voting for these “pre-approved delegates” was voting AGAINST Ron Paul, that was one of the first times I said, “I’m not doing what he says.” We were all in this for the same reason – to WIN delegates for Dr. Paul.

The supposed “vetting” process the delegates went through from the national campaign was simply Al Gerhart’s opinion of who he liked and who he didn’t like. I would later find out that this was not done by a committee of people (as the grassroots did leading up to the state convention to choose our delegate slate).

This email (which was very long), caused some people to not attend the District 2 Convention. People did not want to be directed by Al Gerhart or told they were doing wrong by not following his orders. This cost us delegates. The Convention in District 2 was run fairly and we lost the delegate vote by JUST TWO VOTES. Mr. Gerhart cost us a potential win in District 2. It should be noted that 3 of the 5 District Conventions in Oklahoma had a complete sweep for Ron Paul. They were all run fairly and they were all organized and coordinated by the grassroots. The one other district which we did not win was not run fairly and had a challenge at the state convention.

After the District 2 Convention, I decided to get more involved with the grassroots and forget about the fact that I was not supposed to have any tie with them as an “official volunteer campaign coordinator.” This was the best decision I made!

What I ended up doing, even though I had signed a non-disclosure agreement to be a county coordinator, was forward emails that were sent to the county coordinators to a select few of our grassroots leaders. I was watching emails come in to the county coordinators that laid out detailed plans of how to thwart and disrupt the planning and coordination of the grassroots. No, I am not kidding when I say this. I have a massive amount of emails to prove this.

I would receive emails that would tell the time, date & location of where a grassroots strategy meeting would be taking place. And Mr. Gerhart would specifically tell the county coordinators to go there, see what they are saying and try to change their plan. He would tell the county coordinators to try to tell the grassroots to work with the National campaign. Ha! What he didn’t realize is that WE (as in the grassroots) were more than willing to work with the campaign (and tried to more than once), but Mr. Gerhart was the one opposed to that. I know this sounds outrageous, and it is, but it’s what Oklahoma went through with the national campaign.

We could not take this any longer, so we sent an official request to the national campaign signed by 27 grassroots leaders in the Ron Paul/liberty movement in Oklahoma (I was one of the signatures) asking for the immediate termination of Mr. Gerhart. There were many more who would’ve signed this, but due to time constraints we had to send it with “just” 27 signatures. This was sent the beginning of April.

We made it very clear in this letter that there was nothing that Al was doing that we wanted to be a part of. We told them we didn’t have time for his distractions and wanted him gone right away. We gave examples of the problems he caused us, as well as the problems he caused the liberty movement in Oklahoma by acting inappropriately towards GOP Party leadership. This was not a light issue. We made our case very strongly and clearly. We requested a response from the Campaign within a few days.

Mr. Gerhart came back saying that the National Campaign had dismissed what we had brought forward and that he was in the clear. But, interestingly enough, he stepped down from the Campaign position just about a week or two after the letter was sent with not much of an explanation.

We were very glad to see this, because we did not want him around or trying to coordinate anything as we worked up to Oklahoma’s State Convention.

Of course, having the county coordinator position I had, I received a couple emails from Al regarding my signature on the letter. He wanted explanation before he “fired” me from the position. By that point in the game, I was well “entrenched” with the grassroots coordination and felt a response to Al would only hurt us more. So, I did not respond and ultimately things got quiet because he quickly “resigned.”

At the state committee meeting before Oklahoma’s state convention, he did more to put a bad light on Ron Paul supporters by making a big (unnecessary) scene there. There is question among the Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma if Mr. Gerhart was even a Ron Paul supporter because of his ridiculous actions and statements. When I witnessed this at the state committee meeting, I was even more thankful that we had requested his removal, because I did not want him thinking he had some kind of role in our coordination and work at the state convention level.

Regardless, Mr. Gerhart did a lot of damage to us in Oklahoma, because many people in the “establishment” thought he represented us. He was the farthest thing from representing the liberty movement and Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma.

I want this message to be sent to the OK GOP: The Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma do not condone or support anything Al Gerhart does or stands for.

I also feel that Mr. Gerhart caused us a lot of hurt with regards to the National Campaign’s view of Oklahoma. It felt like we were the “red headed step child” after the state convention. We had so many issues at our state convention, yet the Campaign continually refused to help. Yes, we did reach out to them on more than one occasion (and by more than one of us) and never heard a response. Even when we were dealing with our contest to the RNC.

When I confronted John Tate about the Campaign’s lack of support for Oklahoma, it was obvious Mr. Gerhart had hurt us. John Tate acted as if Oklahoma wanted nothing to do with the campaign. If he talked to Mr. Gerhart, that is what you might get because he twisted so much.

But, if you would have talked to the grassroots, we would have accepted the Campaign’s help (and working with the grassroots) with open arms. We had leaders who would’ve stepped up to the plate – and were ready to long before Mr. Gerhart took the position.

Oklahoma continued to be shunned by the Campaign all through Tampa, but I don’t feel the need to go into all of that right now. I’ll just say it felt like being stabbed in the back – and I told John Tate that when I talked to him at 1:30am at the Marriot the week before the Convention.

Overall we learned a lot through this experience. And I hope the same mistakes won’t be repeated again. It wasn’t easy. But, what has been easy for Oklahoma this election cycle?

-Qadoshyah Fish

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GR: We have our

GR: We have our delegates
GR: We're going to whatever we want to, anyway.

Did OP have official meetings? He had the official position. Did he say "hey grassroots people, come to the official meeting?" Because that's what should've happened.

There should've been no way for there to be some separate list. Some separate grassroots organization. This OP should've folded in those grassroots people into the official organization.

In practical effect, replacing superbrochures with slim jims tended to change meetings from "grassroots" to "official"

Read the post before you comment

The OP was told NOT to include the grassroots and to spy on them to see what their plan was.

How much more stupidy are you going to display?

First you say do what your told by the official campaign then you say the OP should have included the grassroots when he was told not to by the state director who was part of the official campaign.

Pull your head out of your ASS!

No, he did not have official meetings

Mr. Gerhart never put together any meetings. Never wanted to gather the grassroots people into any meeting. Yes, that's what should've happened. I know at least Maine did it and it worked well.

What Mr. Gerhart did was found out when the grassroots were meeting and instead of going there to work together on coordinating, he would send emails out specifically telling the county coordinators to go to these meetings and divide the coordinating. He would tell them to find out what the grassroots were planning and bring it back to him to make sure it did not happen. I am not making this stuff up. I lived it and saw the emails.

-Qadoshyah Fish
Oklahoma Parking Lot Patriot

Did Gerhart tell you to go

Did Gerhart tell you to go these meetings and take charge, because YOU are the official campaign and should be in charge? What exactly does "divide the coordinating" mean? You should just be saying "Hi, I'm from the official campaign. Give me your lists." And YOU, as VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, are supposed to do EXACTLY THAT. You were supposed to be in charge of the grassroots in your area. YOU were the official campaigns go between between the grassroots and the official campaign. That was the hierarchy, it should in theory work, unless the volunteers just decide to do something else.

I will say that the state director did go to our official meetings.

I can imagine some problems might exist in Oklahoma due to gas prices and distances, and the state director might not have those expenses paid. The way around that is to have you there, taking charge of these meetings, and turning that "grassroots" into "campaign volunteers". Here is what we want you to do. Here is what we don't want you to do.

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We turned it over to the State Coordinator on 2/23/2012

As soon as there was a State Coordinator we handed it over to him. Go look at this press release:


When he started threatening female GOP officers in emails, we had enough:


Any questions? We won't put up with a misogynist bully being the representative of Ron Paul in our state.

Did you read what Qfish wrote?

In case you missed it -

"When I signed up to be a county coordinator, I was told to not have contact with the grassroots supporters of Ron Paul. This made things rather difficult. I was torn between trying to coordinate both groups, yet not have contact with the one side." (highlight by me)

Thank you jimwill,

I can only assume parocks is not paying attention to what is written in the post I made regarding our problems.

What parocks lays out sounds all wonderful and perfect. But, that is not what happened here in Oklahoma. I've explained it in detail more than once now and I don't feel the need to justify it anymore.

-Qadoshyah Fish
Oklahoma Parking Lot Patriot

Plus I think he has a 'top

Plus I think he has a 'top down' mentality and doesn't understand that RP and other 'grassroots' people are NOT the kind of people that 'follow orders'. That's what has this country in such a mess, people doing without thinking. (well, one thing anyway)...

I'm giggling because this was Rhode Island in 2008!

I'm giggling because this was Rhode Island in 2008! This time around we decided to just do E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G ourselves. The campaign honestly did NOTHING except send a paid volunteer contractor (who worked on many different political campaigns) to set up the phone banking the week before our primary.

RI was the ONLY Primary state to get 25% of the popular vote for Ron Paul in a Primary (and thus was able to send 25% of its delegates to the GODAWFUL RNC as Ron Paul delegates). The rest of the vote went to Romney - quite frankly because of the age demographic that showed up to vote :elderly FOX Watchers.

We learned in 2008 that the Official Campaign which morphed into the Campaign for Liberty which morphed back into the Official Ron Paul Campaign for 2012 was completely overrun with folks who were really into the Left/Right game and wanted to be "wheelers and dealers" in DC. So we just did what we thought would work. We got that giant billboard on RT95. We did some really impressive mailings. We showed up en-mass to the GOP meetings and acted very polite and SMILED. We went door to door and phone banked. We sign spammed. We did it all and the OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN pretty much had nothing to do with it.

I recently saw our state's GOP Financial sheets at a GOP meeting (they made them public) and I was shocked!!! They were so BROKE! The RI Ron Paul grassroots had spent almost as much on the RI Primary as the whole state GOP had in total (Investments / savings / cash on hand).

When I was recently told TO JUST LEAVE!!! YOU AREN'T A REAL REPUBLICAN!!! YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!! (I'm writing in RonPaul because it counts here) I felt compelled to tell the woman that it was too bad she felt that way because quite frankly the RI GOP needed me. They needed Ron Paul people and I told her that what we spent on the primary was almost equal to their entire holding. (which isn't much by the way)

She countered back - Why didn't people just give it to the GOP if they want Obama out?! I said because people DON'T LIKE the GOP in Rhode Island. But they like being American and that is why they gave the Ron Paul people money to campaign.

AND I also told her that I'd be happy to leave this party -Thank you very much- and I disaffiliated. Don't worry RI is TOTALLY Democrat. Don't worry. It really wouldn't make a difference if I stayed or left the RI GOP. The only people actually in it are all ex-governors (and their wives) or mayors (and their wives) and are very into "being someone special" at the non-stop fundraisers they hold - which obviously don't make much money! The RIGOP is a drinking game - screw around with someone else's wife scene....really.

OH and HERE WAS THE FIRST RI RON PAUL ORGANIZER FROM 2008. Total Tool we called the 2008 Ron Paul Campaign and had him removed with the quickness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK34q5zDZG8

Nice action

Nice action locally. I do question the write-in choice, as RP is not longer running and the votes would be more productive going to GJ to help them get 5%.

Goldman Sachs is going to be the only winner of this election

I don't care if Gary Johnson gets 5% for the Libertarian Party quite frankly.

Or if the Green Party gets 5%
Or if the Constitution Party gets 5%
It doesn't matter - the loosing party (D or R) will try to co-opt whatever it is anyway. (Think : Glen Beck and the TEAPARTY)

So I am voting my conscience since the write in vote actually does get counted in Rhode Island. And it will feel good knowing that the RIGOP will know specifically why they lost those votes.

The official campaign spent

The official campaign spent money on TV ads in Rhode Island.


Ron Paul to air TV ad in Rhode Island

And WHO PAID for That TV ad?

Answer: WE DID....Get off your high horse.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Quite the story. Most enlightening.

What some of us felt all along. This unseen force that worked against us was at so many levels but right from the top down.

Rough initiation into politics for you kiddo but...it is what it is.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

It's been a rough year, but ..

well worth it! A lot has gone on for my "initiation" into politics, but I wouldn't change it. It's been fast and furious, but great.

-Qadoshyah Fish
Oklahoma Parking Lot Patriot

The "unseen force" is the

The "unseen force" is the idea that the "grassroots" is something.

It seems to be that "grassroots" is "bad volunteers" "insolent volunteers".

Take orders. Campaigns are organized. The "grassroots" decided not to take orders. And fail came from that.

Right on!

Campaigns are organized, and if you're not going to trust the campaign, go find a candidate that creates a campaign you can trust.

I think grassroots in this case should be called, "body snatchers". Their best shot is blame game which is what losers do. They failed not just Ron Paul and his campaign strategy, but themselves.

Liberty Movement seems to be all about stealing Ron Paul's name, fraud, profit, deceit, and attacking Ron Paul and everyone who worked with Ron Paul, which was not them. They work against Ron Paul in Ron paul's name. (I'm sure many are Obama operatives in the write-in and GJ BS).

Obeying Orders

Well, I guess TPTB really DO need some 'order takers', so since you volunteered, have fun! As for me, no thanks, I'm more of a free thinker...

Can you then explain

Why the man was let go (fired)? Obviously the campaign felt he was doing something wrong.

And the saying that campaigns are organized or know exactly what to do is contingent on whether or not individuals aren't corrupt and have the best interest of the campaign at heart.

I Guess That parocks Forgot

...what the "insolent grassroots" was told long time ago:

"If you're not having fun?....you're doing it wrong"__Doug Wead.

Insolence?.....Guess he gave himself away with that remark!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

if the grassroots have a boss...Get rid of him!...

we will win together!

Ron Paul 2016!

Congratulations on getting

Congratulations on getting rid of Gerhart. Thank you for all the hard work.

wow. So the problem was that


So the problem was that the grassroots wouldn't listen to the official campaign, huh?

And you think this was a problem of the official campaign?

Not a "grassroots is out of control" problem?


Next time, just do what the official campaign says.

If the official campaign has a list of delegates, just vote for that list.

The idea that there's a "grassroots" separate from the official campaign is just crazy. Don't do that.

"If the official campaign has a list of delegates, just vote for

that list".


See my comment to your comment below.
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I just want to say thank you

for all you have done and continue to do. Please know your hard work was worth it and will continue to be. We do not always see and in fact most often do not see, how are hard work pays off. Just know it does and is appreciated!

I am guessing that there are 49 mores stories like this.

Hadn't Benton and his team confounded the grassroots, who knows?

It would be interesting to know how many C4L "vetted" Delegates voted for Ron Paul, How many did not?

How many un-vetted National Delegates did we send. How many of those voted for Ron Paul.

Let's see their scorecard!

Free includes debt-free!

My county chairwoman (we are 15+ conservative area)

tried over three times to get Ron and Rand Paul (or just Ron but we wanted both together) here in Spartanburg County, South Carolina, beginning in March 2011. My chairwoman e-mailed, phoned and even spoke with a national campaign lady (not our paid SC or volunteer chairs/co-ordinator) LIVE in person at Jim DeMint's debate and the thing never, ever got done. WE TRIED. Our GOP chairwoman, (who even actually wanted Newton to have it), tried for Ron & Rand to come together and lay the liberty smackdown. It would have been/could have been a HUGE DUAL EVENT!

This sin of omission of "failure to reply", had it been addressed by national, could have flipped South Carolina on a dime (to hear the truth and have our Liberty Livers attuned). "First in the South" and all that jazz. ARGH!!!

As one side note, the former chairman (Romney lover both cycles) of our county had BANNED RON PAUL (2007) [YES!!] from coming to our county, he hated RP so much (RP came anyway haha Beltram!)....so maybe our county was on the "no-no" map but I doubt that, this was a totally new chairwoman trying to arrange RP & RP coming. (Ron Paul did come to Spartanburg twice this cycle BUT NOT AS A GOP SPONSORED EVENT AS PROPOSED, which I don't think I need to keep repeating would have been a huge benefit to the campaign.)

I'll never get all the bad moves sorted through to tell you the truth.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Maine = official campaign.

In Maine, where I was, we had an official campaign. The official campaign picked the delegates and we voted for those people. And we won.

There shouldn't be any grassroots separate from official campaign. Just do what the official campaign tells you to do.

Here is what bothers me about this.

In New York state, there were 34 at-large delegate spots open.

I inquired as to, what is the criteria to be in the pool from where the delegates get selected from. Now, the state committee members elect the delegates.

I never received a direct answer to my questions.

The state party attorney told me, basically, that special people will get elected.

However, my county chair let the cat out of the bag when he stated that the Romney campaign is choosing the delegates. So the campaign chooses the delegates and the state committee does a dog and pony show to "elect" them.

Now with the Paul campaign, what is the difference? What was their formula for choosing the delegates? I believe this is a fair question, don't you?

See, Romney, it never pays to cheat. Now you are losing.

But who knows maybe Romney and the GOP have a plan to cheat their way into the White House. If Romney can buy the right vote counters in each state, then he could still cheat his way into the White House. These guys would crawl thru hell to win. 47% of the vote counters will not be for him but if he could bribe the 3 to 6% vote counters in the middle to cheat, he could still make it to the White House. All he has to say is, name your price.