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The Problems Oklahoma Dealt with from the Ron Paul Campaign State Coordinator

Oklahoma has been through a lot this election year. We had problems at our state convention, as many people know. But, it wasn’t just the “establishment” Republicans who we had problems with.

We also had problems with the Ron Paul National Campaign. We haven’t come out and said much about this, but I feel there is no reason to keep this under the radar anymore. This hasn’t been exactly a secret, but some of the details have not been out for all to see. We didn’t want this to cause the Campaign or us any problems back when this was all going down, but right now, I feel it would be beneficial to come out and say some more. I don’t want anyone to think the Ron Paul movement has some kind of tie or support to the person who caused us so much grief.

Back in January of this year, Al Gerhart (with the Sooner Tea Party), was appointed as the Oklahoma State Coordinator for the Ron Paul 2012 Campaign. This was a volunteer position. The end of January, I signed up as a volunteer for the campaign to be the Cherokee County Ron Paul 2012 Campaign Coordinator.

Because I was new to being very politically active, I met Al for the first time at the Ron Paul rally in Oklahoma City the end of February. What I encountered when I met Al was unique. But, it was just the beginning.

Being so new to being really active in the Party, I did not know the Ron Paul grassroots leadership who had been around since 2008, like Brady Wright, Lukus Collins, etc. I was slowly introduced to them via someone in my county, Shannon Grimes (who was also grassroots and had been around since 2008). But, this was a slow process over a month or two. When I signed up to be a county coordinator, I was told to not have contact with the grassroots supporters of Ron Paul. This made things rather difficult. I was torn between trying to coordinate both groups, yet not have contact with the one side.

We had great success in Cherokee County, Oklahoma. But, it had nothing to do with the campaign. I sent emails out to the identified RP supporters in our county and we had a great turn out at our County Convention. That night we came away with just over 50% of the delegates from my County. And it was all by God’s hand.

Anyways, what I attempted to do at first was have another friend be the contact point for the grassroots. But, this quickly showed it was not going to work. I tried to have this work as we were leading up to our District Convention. But, this is when I started to realize things were really fishy with the state coordinator that we had.

A few days before Oklahoma’s Congressional District 2 Convention, Al Gerhart sent an email out with instructions for everyone as to how to vote. The quote that got me was this,

“No doubt there are some grassroots candidates running for the same National Delegate slots but on Saturday you have a choice. Do you support Dr. Paul or do you support unofficial candidates that are unknown to the Ron Paul National Campaign.”

When he put the grassroots supporters up against Ron Paul, as if not voting for these “pre-approved delegates” was voting AGAINST Ron Paul, that was one of the first times I said, “I’m not doing what he says.” We were all in this for the same reason – to WIN delegates for Dr. Paul.

The supposed “vetting” process the delegates went through from the national campaign was simply Al Gerhart’s opinion of who he liked and who he didn’t like. I would later find out that this was not done by a committee of people (as the grassroots did leading up to the state convention to choose our delegate slate).

This email (which was very long), caused some people to not attend the District 2 Convention. People did not want to be directed by Al Gerhart or told they were doing wrong by not following his orders. This cost us delegates. The Convention in District 2 was run fairly and we lost the delegate vote by JUST TWO VOTES. Mr. Gerhart cost us a potential win in District 2. It should be noted that 3 of the 5 District Conventions in Oklahoma had a complete sweep for Ron Paul. They were all run fairly and they were all organized and coordinated by the grassroots. The one other district which we did not win was not run fairly and had a challenge at the state convention.

After the District 2 Convention, I decided to get more involved with the grassroots and forget about the fact that I was not supposed to have any tie with them as an “official volunteer campaign coordinator.” This was the best decision I made!

What I ended up doing, even though I had signed a non-disclosure agreement to be a county coordinator, was forward emails that were sent to the county coordinators to a select few of our grassroots leaders. I was watching emails come in to the county coordinators that laid out detailed plans of how to thwart and disrupt the planning and coordination of the grassroots. No, I am not kidding when I say this. I have a massive amount of emails to prove this.

I would receive emails that would tell the time, date & location of where a grassroots strategy meeting would be taking place. And Mr. Gerhart would specifically tell the county coordinators to go there, see what they are saying and try to change their plan. He would tell the county coordinators to try to tell the grassroots to work with the National campaign. Ha! What he didn’t realize is that WE (as in the grassroots) were more than willing to work with the campaign (and tried to more than once), but Mr. Gerhart was the one opposed to that. I know this sounds outrageous, and it is, but it’s what Oklahoma went through with the national campaign.

We could not take this any longer, so we sent an official request to the national campaign signed by 27 grassroots leaders in the Ron Paul/liberty movement in Oklahoma (I was one of the signatures) asking for the immediate termination of Mr. Gerhart. There were many more who would’ve signed this, but due to time constraints we had to send it with “just” 27 signatures. This was sent the beginning of April.

We made it very clear in this letter that there was nothing that Al was doing that we wanted to be a part of. We told them we didn’t have time for his distractions and wanted him gone right away. We gave examples of the problems he caused us, as well as the problems he caused the liberty movement in Oklahoma by acting inappropriately towards GOP Party leadership. This was not a light issue. We made our case very strongly and clearly. We requested a response from the Campaign within a few days.

Mr. Gerhart came back saying that the National Campaign had dismissed what we had brought forward and that he was in the clear. But, interestingly enough, he stepped down from the Campaign position just about a week or two after the letter was sent with not much of an explanation.

We were very glad to see this, because we did not want him around or trying to coordinate anything as we worked up to Oklahoma’s State Convention.

Of course, having the county coordinator position I had, I received a couple emails from Al regarding my signature on the letter. He wanted explanation before he “fired” me from the position. By that point in the game, I was well “entrenched” with the grassroots coordination and felt a response to Al would only hurt us more. So, I did not respond and ultimately things got quiet because he quickly “resigned.”

At the state committee meeting before Oklahoma’s state convention, he did more to put a bad light on Ron Paul supporters by making a big (unnecessary) scene there. There is question among the Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma if Mr. Gerhart was even a Ron Paul supporter because of his ridiculous actions and statements. When I witnessed this at the state committee meeting, I was even more thankful that we had requested his removal, because I did not want him thinking he had some kind of role in our coordination and work at the state convention level.

Regardless, Mr. Gerhart did a lot of damage to us in Oklahoma, because many people in the “establishment” thought he represented us. He was the farthest thing from representing the liberty movement and Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma.

I want this message to be sent to the OK GOP: The Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma do not condone or support anything Al Gerhart does or stands for.

I also feel that Mr. Gerhart caused us a lot of hurt with regards to the National Campaign’s view of Oklahoma. It felt like we were the “red headed step child” after the state convention. We had so many issues at our state convention, yet the Campaign continually refused to help. Yes, we did reach out to them on more than one occasion (and by more than one of us) and never heard a response. Even when we were dealing with our contest to the RNC.

When I confronted John Tate about the Campaign’s lack of support for Oklahoma, it was obvious Mr. Gerhart had hurt us. John Tate acted as if Oklahoma wanted nothing to do with the campaign. If he talked to Mr. Gerhart, that is what you might get because he twisted so much.

But, if you would have talked to the grassroots, we would have accepted the Campaign’s help (and working with the grassroots) with open arms. We had leaders who would’ve stepped up to the plate – and were ready to long before Mr. Gerhart took the position.

Oklahoma continued to be shunned by the Campaign all through Tampa, but I don’t feel the need to go into all of that right now. I’ll just say it felt like being stabbed in the back – and I told John Tate that when I talked to him at 1:30am at the Marriot the week before the Convention.

Overall we learned a lot through this experience. And I hope the same mistakes won’t be repeated again. It wasn’t easy. But, what has been easy for Oklahoma this election cycle?

-Qadoshyah Fish



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Grassroots means Kush over

Grassroots means Kush over there, right?

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So when YOU and everyone here says "Grassroots"

You are specifically talking about people who belong to the Republican Party and are volunteers?

That's fine by me.

What are those people who did not join the Republican Party, but belong to many parties, no parties, and come together to petition, sign wave, rally, protest issues if not grassroots?

when people say grassroots

they mean the broadest base of the party. the party emerges from the roots, or grassroots. that's the way it is everywhere in every party. grassroots means the lowest echelons of the party...ie, the people and the committees at the lower rungs.

maybee you're acting ignorant to pretend you weren't insulting every little soldier of the party, but it doesn't change the fact that you did and have.

ignorance is no excuse...that should be your motto.

I do not know why I even respond anymore.

"What are those people who did not join the Republican Party, but belong to many parties, no parties, and come together to petition, sign wave, rally, protest issues if not grassroots?"

They ARE grassroots.

They have donated to money bombs and to help DELEGATES get to Tampa. They see Ron Paul as the only honest candidate, who then after research understand that our nation is a Republic and that we must follow the Constitution and the corp bankers must go.

They have helped print material for others to pass out, worked phone banks and walked door to door, among many other things, which in turn spreads the message of Liberty. They learn the system from the ground up and with luck get voted as delegates and obtain positions. Some go on to run for office.

Some have changed party in time to vote RP in the Primaries. Others have missed the 'deadline' but are NOW on board.

r3VOLution is ALL inclusive. WE ARE NOT YOU. We do not criticize, nor do we slander. We are Americans searching for truth and justice and help each other along the way.

After repeated attempts to explain this to you, your seat is meaningless to me. You do not promote Liberty, nor do you welcome or thank others for getting on board. You are cruel and obnoxious and do nothing but spout your so-called greatness.

How many years did you say that you were with the Lib party and have failed? I suspect that the same number of years will pass too, that you will be a failure within the Republican party. Simply put: You never learn. And THAT is why you fail.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Maybe you might try figuring out why YOU bother?

"They learn the system from the ground up and with luck get voted as delegates and obtain positions. Some go on to run for office."

This is a divideing line between leaving the grassroots and becomming establishment as here in CA, you need to be on a committee or associated with a committee because a committee VETS you and if you are not vetted by the committee, you might as well forget it, as they will fight you harder than anyone.

"r3VOLution is ALL inclusive."

The rEVOLution is in the RepubliCAN Party. The Loberty from the rEVOLution Movement is ALL inclusive.

"We do not criticize, nor do we slander."

I dissagee as I see plnety of criticism and lsander against Rand Paul, Jesse Benton, John Tate and even Ron paul himself by those who claim to be in the LM.

"your seat is meaningless to me"

It's not to those who elected me or the CA Ron Paul rEVOLution, and they matter to me.

"How many years did you say that you were with the Lib party and have failed? I suspect that the same number of years will pass too, that you will be a failure within the Republican party. Simply put: You never learn. And THAT is why you fail."

I was in the LP 16 years. They failed and still do. I am not failing in the GOP, as I was not only appointed to a seat, but my lected seat beings in january. I have been successful in debating have having my committee reject three unconstitutioonal recommendations sent to us from the state. I won't FAIL.

I AM GREAT.

more

delusions of grandeur

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Well that was at least a kinder response :-)

"We do not criticize, nor do we slander."

When I stated that, it was in reference to welcoming others who seek Liberty and truth and to show appreciation for all of their time and effort promoting it; ie GRASSROOTS. It was not in reference to those who knowingly kick us to the curb.

"I AM GREAT"

Granger, good luck. I sincerely hope that you succeed, not in turning away and belittling others, but that you will seek positive change, learn and welcome others into our movement. In the grand scheme, one thing is for sure: without GRASSROOTS, you will fail. And so will we. That, my dear, is a FACT.

My goodness do you love drama!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

The fact is

Truth is perception and it begins with being true to yourself.

It's not a matter of being kind or not. Corporations and people who are selling you perception, or something, appear kind, but it is not truth, though they may be successful in what they are selling, ultimately it's for profit, and this leads to dissappointment, resentment, remorse, pain, and fear.

So it matters not to me that someone is kind. What matters to me is, "Are they for real?" Can I trust them? Many kind people can not be trusted because they are selling something, and that is their bottom line.

Truth is funny. When it works for someone, they smile, they laugh, they say things like, "Oh you're so kind." My response to people who tell me that I am kind is, "No I'm not. I'm honest and it just so happens to work for you." Maybe it sounds kind when I tell someone, "Gosh, you look great!" or "I really like that outfit, the colors and style really suit you." or "You did a fantastic job!" I'm not saying this to them to be kind, but merely reflecting what I'm seeing or realizing". It's MY perception. Someone else could completely dissagree with me and think, "That person looks bad." And they don't say anything, to be kind, because they don't want to offend, even though they are offended by what they see."

If I see someone who looks bad, I will say, "You don't look so hot, are you ok?" Because maybe I can help them. Maybe I know a doctor (I happen to know a few healers/ healers that heal people are always looking for new business because they don't get repeat clients) Maybe I can encourage them to get good help, if they need it. Maybe they are under the weather and I can offer some possitive perspective, or food for thought, because I care about people. And I even tell strangers that look great, "Wow, you look great!" and, "Are you ok?"

When people have issues with me, I pray for them, because it's not about me, it's about them.

As far as welcoming others, maybe that's your job? Maybe that's your role? I see people come here and make a post, "Hi everyone, I've been lurking for 2 years and decided to introduce myself and make my first post." At least 25 people will return a post, "Wecome", and then never post to that person again, or begin a conversation to discover more about them. But few actually come here asking "What should I do?"

This is where the GJ and write-in operatives go to work selling their idea. I'm not here to meet new people and try to get them to vote for GJ, or get them to write-in Ron Paul, or sell them something.

I'm here to share my experience, from grassroots to a committee seat. While that may not impress you, it impresses me because I NEVER thought the grassrooter in me would ever be on a committee seat, which is the establishment. Plenty of people here have an issue with THE establishment, so they attack me. It's their problem.

There are a few posters like me who have committee seats, and these are very valuable people to me because they are who I learn from. Some have loyalty oaths like me, and some do not, and those who do not have shown me how their state emancipated themselves, which gives me a solution.

Those who have loyalty oaths share what's happening on their committees and that gives me a national understanding so it exceeds my own liitle box in CA. Those who are writing in Ron Paul and support GJ have nothing for me. You can dissagree all you like and tell me about "The Liberty Movement", but I, and others who are "kind" because they don't say it to you/them, but do say it to me, "we" I, don't see how you are advancing liberty at this point.

You are not helping me, or us, who are now in the GOP and wondering why Romney and his campaign who fought us, is now fighting the GOP, bankrupting it, making it very difficult to campaign.

In my area, the Obama banners are up, the Democratic Party campaigns have their signs up. We have nothing. If we want a Romney banner, we need to make it. None of us wanted Romney.. so it's becoming clear to us, and as Ron Paul (at least the message I got) "If you want to keep your republic, you better get in the party and fight for it, because it's going down." At this point, I believe many of us are beginning to understand, It's not about Romney, it's about keeping a major party, and it also seems that they are wanting Ron Paul Republicans to fight for the party that we have taken despite Romney.. My chair wants us to do a moneybomb and he has no idea what a moneybomb is. Trust me, me and the other Ron Paul Republican are looking at ewach other like "WTF"?

Many people on Daily Paul hate the GOP so they don't care if the REPUBLICan Party goes down. They do not think past their issues of hate, loathing, fear, discust, contempt, vengence. And the thing is, it's like that Plato story, the people chained to the cave, because it's not the GOP, but what MSM says about the GOP, otherwise they would have joined the GOP. What happened at the RNC many here take what happened to delegates as more reason to hate the GOP, but this is not a good reason, it's an excuse. It would be better if it was a reason to get in the GOP and restore the republic.

So, it may be that the GOP is going to lose it's major party statis.. what does that leave us with? A Democratic Party that is corporate controlled, with a NWO agrenda, seeking to establish a global corporate government that enslaves everyone to corporate law. "We are all Saddam Huessain now" We are all "OBL now". We are all "cancer to an elite who expects us to serve them or be eliminated." It's their planet, their water, their air and not ours.

So that's the fight the way I see it. Romney was forced on us, and we just have to rise above if we are going to fight to restore the republic. To many here are unwilling and unable.

I'm going to let those who want to be grassroots be grassroots. They have nothing for me. I have no requests for any grassroots. I will not be asking grassroots to make signs, or vote for Romney to save the Republic, or come to a meet up, or protest the fed, or rally for anything. What they do is not my business. I have a job and grassroots is not going to help me fill committee seats (you said yourself, you are not impressed.. so what good are you to me that you are not impressed with all I went through to get that seat?), they would have to stop being grassroots and become the establishment, and so those who do not want to become the establishment, will remain grassroots, doing what they want, not what I need or want.

Meanwhile, I will do my best to vote for our liberty so we can be free to be grassroots doing what they want, and establishment restoring the republic.

That is a fact.

have a great posting day.

you're honest allright

honestly delusional.

being on a committee is grassroots you loon.

You can do it when you try.

Granger, that was another post that was well put together. Maybe that is why I try, as I have commented a couple of posts up.

We do see things differently. I see tremendous value in grassroots. In fact, I believe that it is *imperative* to build grassroots well beyond what we did between 2008 and now.

Based upon your above post, I agree with some of your reasoning. But the one issue that I have is with romney. While romney was FORCED upon us, that gives NO MERIT to supporting him just to support the party. I do not readily "take one for the team", for if it is for all of the wrong reasons, why unite? Ron Paul himself has made that statement at Texas convention. Maybe you should revisit that speech to see what I am talking about and to gain clearer understanding.

I will end this post by saying that we both need to work together if we are to succeed. So far in the past hundred years, no one person has been able to formulate a winning strategy against the corrupt. There is no reason to believe that either one of ours will work either. But if we think outside of the box and pull our resources and knowledge together, we may be on to something extraordinary.

I hope that before you respond to this that you will ponder what I am getting at. You are not totally wrong. But mark my words, neither am I. FACT and FACT.

:-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Don't try, just do.

You see tremendous value in grassroots because you need grassroots to achieve your goal in converting Ron Paul supporters to a write in vote for Ron Paul, which will affectively be a default for Obama, that will please your Democratic Party friends, who you admit you do not want to alienate, as they give you appreciation for helping them in the name of Liberty (or whatever, the fact is you helped Obama by having people reject Romney).

TPTB, and the Democrats that infiltraited the GOP, were NEO(New as in NWO) Neocons (there are also Neoliberals, such as the Clintons, opposed to someonee like Obama, who has now joined the NWO, but that was not how he campaigned) They are not in the GOP to restore the Republic, but to destroy it. They lie, cheat, steal, condemn conservatives within the party, betray them, for their GOAL is to destroy the GOP, and emancipate the Republic to a NWO.

So for conservatives like myself, who want to restore the republic, the constitution, and sound money, Romney was forced on us to stop us, as by forcing a candidate on us who is not running to win, but running to destroy the Republic, the constitution, and give us global corporate government NWO.

So for us, it's not about Romney.. it's about restoring the Republic because it is a Republic, with constitutional government, that gives us liberty from a NWO. NWO enslaves us, rendering us as equals serving the global money masters.

Grassroots is not interested in restoring the republic, but making sure the NWO considers their issues, such as "liberty", which is meaningless when not applied to something.

You want liberty from the Republic and Republican Party.
I want liberty from a NWO.

You are winning, and I, like Ron Paul, are failing; However, because I KNOW what I am losing, I am not angry, upset, or a sore loser. I have no intentions to protest, arm myself to fight NATO and drones or refuse to be tossed in a FEMA camp to be assassinated. I will accept my loss, continue to THANK GOD for my life, pray for those who hate me and my life, and care for my animals, the land, my community, and find new ways to serve, despite my loss.

One of the things we learn as Catholics is governments come and go. Hold on to what is good as long as you can, and when you can not, search for the good is what comes your way.

No need for drama.. life is pretty dramic all by its self.

she is a ralph nader conservative

what do you lie for? what is your goal? it's obvious you are willing to lie for it.

Awe, Granger, you just ruined it :-(

I thought that we would see eye to eye on my last post.

No, I do not support nwo, or democratic initiatives. I have repeatedly posted the importance of 'vetting'. Not only candidates running for office, but the people who volunteer for grassroots as well.

Granger, whether you appreciate it or not, I will continue to do what I do to grow the r3VOLution, for sound currency, to end illegal wars, and for Liberty [freedom].

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I have no doubt

I have no doubt at all that you will continue to be an organizer like Obama was when he got started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwwO00aWqM

There's a difference between...

how Al Gerhart was directing things and the coordination we had in the grassroots network. Al Gerhart simply gave out commands, without consulting anyone in the Ron Paul grassroots movement to see if it would even work. If you questioned Mr. Gerhart, you were put on a black-mail list.

Yes, we had grassroots leaders, but everything was run with the input and thoughts of all delegates/Ron Paul supporters. It was not run as a "dictatorship", which is the way Mr. Gerhart wanted to run things.

We understood how things were to run. The grassroots had a complete sweep (win of all 3 delegates and all 3 alternates) in 3 of Oklahoma's 5 congressional districts.

-Qadoshyah Fish
Oklahoma Parking Lot Patriot
http://libertyliveblogteam.wordpress.com

I think you might have a misconception

... about what "too many chiefs and not enough indians" means

The problem wasn't too many people trying to play chief, the problem was the chief they were instructed to follow was harming the campaign.

Hmmm.... Well as an observer

Hmmm....

Well as an observer who has been watching this from Sweden, read almost every post on the DP and living the whole election process vicariously it seems to me that the campaign management and CL4 were not interested in winning this election. Instead it seems that their sole motivation was in getting C4L members into leadership positions in the local and state GOP. For instance in the following situation when the grassroots booted out their man they dropped OK like five day old manure, they were not the least bit interested in supporting a grassroots movement they could not control and would not add clout to their organization.

Okies you did right, we just start a loosely organized national grassroots congress that we can send money bombs to that we know for a fact will support local liberty activists. We can base it on the congress and senate solution that our forefathers came up with 2 members from each state to a senate and a proportion of members from each state depending member numbers. They can decide where best to distribute funds.

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I have seen the same things.

I have seen the same things. It's obvious the Paul campaign was clueless at times and completely inept at other times. The most important thing to remember is that the movement is about us, the movement, not a single person. Of course Ron Paul is the father of the movement, and I love him for it, but I can't support the frauds in his campaign like Benton and others were still not sure about. Taking over the GOP is not an option. It will never work. They are too entrenched in government and society and have too much power. The only hope we have is awakening enough of our neighbors o the realities of politics until we get a critical mass of people. Changing leadership in low level positions of the GOP will largely be a waste of time.

Ron Paul is RIGHT ON

Ron Paul's campaign is RIGHT ON and anyone who thinks they have a better plan hasn't proved it.

Those who joined the GOP and took committee seats are up against a machine that eats grassroots, so why would Ron Paul and the campaign grow grassroots to feed that machine? You either become that machine and restore it to constitutional government or you don't.

So you think Ron Paul's plan

So you think Ron Paul's plan is to screw the grassroots liberty movement and let C4L dictate who they think should represent local districts. Call me naive and old fashion but I believe the people who live and work in that district have a better grasp on who they can trust to represent their interests, mainly protecting their Liberty.
What you are suggesting sounds vaguely familiar, I seem to recall a Romney campaign in Tampa doing the exact same thing to some other elected delegates and you see the results. A disenfranchised grassroots GOP who are not currently walking their neighborhoods to get the vote out, hell the Romney campaign would be lucky if the grassroots of the GOP even make the effort to drive to their local school and walk to the voting booth.

Yeah that sounds like a winning plan. I for one do not think that is what Ron is suggesting at all, he is much to bright, honest and humble to ever think that he can dictate how best to promote liberty in your local area. I am following the only plan i ever heard Ron give "do whatever you think is best to promote liberty."

Central planners are drooling. Abandon liberty and take orders!

If campaign has a case let them make it. If they can sell it, then good for them.

So far all they have made is promises of how great it will be when we are obedient cogs in the C4L machine.

Just make mine liberty.

Free includes debt-free!

I agree totally, let them

I agree totally, let them make their case, maybe it is convincing. But the silence and disconnect is deafening. Of course I had to unsubscribe from their daily onslaught of 3 page form letters so I guess they are gonna need to do some interviews or actually reach out to people to get their point across.

I think Ron Paul and his campaign KNEW what they were doing

and selected those who KNEW and liked what they were doing, and they rest were cut out, and by this post, with good reason.

Q@ here is defending the Neocon/tea party/Rinos who are mad at Al for replacing them with Ron Paul delegates. BRAVO to AL THANK =YOU AL!!!! Apparently he picked those he trusted.

Sure.. do what YOU think is best.. for some of us, it's what Ron paul and his campaign asked and suggested, join the GOP, get a committee seat, restore the republic. That's what some of us are doing and happily.

Now doc says grassroots are REPUBLICAN volunteers. Here in CA, Republican volunteers are NOT grassroots.

Yes, yes.

The campaign never made any mistakes. They are the most perfect campaign ever. Of course, I'm only saying that because my love of Dr. Paul blinds me from reality and I don't want to accept that they did make mistakes.

And obviously since Ron is perfect (the only one on earth, am I right??) he couldn't possibly pick people for his campaign that might end up damaging it later on. I mean, that's just completely unrealistic.

/end sarcasm

In all seriousness, Dr. Paul is a human being just like the rest of us and people like you need to stop putting him on a pedestal. Ron Paul wouldn't like it. And I think if he were to speak openly about the campaign he would admit that he made mistakes in who he chose for certain positions and that the campaign was not 100% efficient.

Btw, Granger, you might want to consider limiting your comments. Responding to everyone and every reply they send to you makes you come off as some pompous no-life. If you haven't noticed the amount of down-votes you've received I think that should serve as an indicator that at this point you're not well liked at all. Maybe you should take action to reverse that or risk being ostracized by the entire DP community.

Time will tell.

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Free includes debt-free!

Thanks so much, Q

for all your hard work for this movement, and thank you for ultimately listening to your gut instinct about the right thing to do. It is true that this movement is made up of INDIVIDUALS, and Ron Paul has always encouraged people to make up their own minds, and you are the perfect example of that. Keep working, keep fighting, you are an inspiration!!!!!!

wonder what

other crap we will find out about how crappy Benton and Tate ran the campaign. Benton is gone, good riddance. Tate needs to go next. And Rand needs to separate himself from these Dbags.

Washington State

Can tell the same tale of sabotage and (intentional) incompetence.

Please do. Gross incompetence or sabotage?

That is the Big Question.

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Thanks for all of your hard work, Q.

You have a long life of good works for peace and liberty ahead.