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Ahmadinejad Embraces Jews, Rejects Zionism



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Do your duty

and help share this video. We have to put an end to zionism.

yeah well for me there was so

yeah well for me there was so much spite and nastiness emanating from that room NOT. It seemed a roomful of gentlemen to me, All of them

religion should never define government

These are Hasidic Jews who live an ascetic life; of course they would reject the state of Israel or any type of materialism. I do agree with what the facts of what they said though.

But more importantly, it's impractical and impossible to dismantle Israel. It's not like Palestine was a free country before the UN created Israel.

For libertarians, the Enlightenment Era should be vital to their understanding of government. To suggest that a religion, or a very conservative wing of a religion, should dictate the formation of a government is absurd.

I don't believe Israel should be a Jewish state, nor any country a Muslim or Christian state. We should reject all theocracies. Israel is a modern democracy, somewhat a theocracy but still a great country that protects the rights of individuals. It needs reforms, like the United States, but to suggest it is worse than Iran or Syria is a bit naive.

I also find conservative Judaism equally ridiculous to any other religion. And the compelling ideas of Judaism I believe are actually from Egypt or Greece originally.

Israel is not a theocracy

Israel is not a theocracy (the government is probably more secular than the United Kingdom), despite the marriage laws. It is more Jewish nationalism, of which two main forms are present in Israel, one of which is more liberal form (many Jews in this group are not religious or religious but not literalist), and this is the more dominant of the two, despite ultra-Orthodoxy becoming more common. Many of the founding fathers of Israel were irreligious - Zionism was actually originally quite anti-religious. Theodor Herzl grew up secular and often spoke negatively about religion.

Israel is more about Jewish culture and (arguably) the Jewish race, than religion.

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There always have been TRUE an FALSE tabernacles.

THE TRUE - Psa 78:59-60 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel: So that he forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent which he placed among men;
THE FALSE - Amos 5:25-26 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

The symbol of zion is a star.

THE TABERNACLE OF YOUR MOLOCH AND CHIUN your images, the STAR OF YOUR GOD, WHICH YE MADE TO YOURSELVES.

Acts 7:42-43 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. THE TABERNACLE OF MOLOCH, AND THE STAR OF YOUR GOD REMPHAN, figures which ye made to worship them..."

Heb 8:1-2 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Ahmadinejad loves Jews, hates stinking Zionist dogs!

This is classic. It is cliched rhetorical ploy among antisemites in the United States to first draw a distinction between Jews and Zionists, claim to love Jews and hate Zionists, and then having done so feel free to hate and blame Jews -- oops, "Zionists" -- for all manner of imagined conspiracies.

Yes, of course, such a distinction can and must be made as the words do mean different things, but in street level discourse it is standard to belabor this distinction to provide cover for antisemitism. And, this week, one of the premiere antisemites on the planet comes to town and pulls this same rhetorical trick.

In the comments here I find a handful of domestic antisemites nodding to each other, saying "Oh, I guess he's not an antisemite either!"

Ha!

Antisemite

Semite: Merriam-Webster

a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

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There was a time when I would have actually sympathized with what you're saying. But not anymore because I have seen the truth, like what was shown in this video, and there's no turning back after that.

And don't attempt to lump me in with those "handful of domestic antisemites" you refer to and lob accusations at me because it's not gonna work anymore.

I figured some neophyte

Might confuse anti-Likudism with anti-Semitism.

As though dislike of an Israeli political party has anything to do with racism.

Of course, the very term anti-Semite is thrown around like a greasy banana in a monkey cage these days.

Bet the mainstream media does not show that too often.....

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Were they meeting to discuss the dangerous situation forming with the referees and the NFL?

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LOL!

No, I think they were trying to figure out how to get Lindsay Lohan out of the latest mess she got herself into. :)

I'm not a big fan

Of Ahmadinejad, but he's light years better than Netanyahu, who is by far the worst Israeli leader in the modern history of the state.

Netanyahu is the worst kind of panderer, and will do or say anything to desperately cling to power: he's a slimy jellyfish of a politician.

Israel has some bright lights in the political system, I personally like Avigdor Lieberman - sure he is a hardliner, but you know he will also get things resolved - he reminds me of Ariel Sharon in a way.

Netanyahu on the other hand, is a warmonger, gutless sabre rattler that weakens the state of Israel daily with threats of war and then meekly looks to America hoping it will jump in. I don't know how the Likudists do not see this strategy as the long term suicide that it is.

I don't see the covert war between Israel & Iran ending until Netanyahu is gone. It won't make a difference whether Ahmadinejad stays or goes.

Remember how right wing Israelis in the 90s claimed there would be peace once Arafat was dead? Boy they were lyin through their teeth on that one.

In politics, it's all about ..."Who can pee the farthest?"

NONE of them (Obama, NetanYAHOOO & Ahmadinejad, what have you) are STATESMAN (except Ron Paul)!!!

Just a reminder

I see a few posts here complimenting this idiot politician, Ahmadinejad and for that, something needs to be said.

The Israeli politicians are equally crazy to the Iranian politicians (or the entire world's politicians for that matter)

They don't care about other people... They're all sick people. All they care about is getting elected and wielding power. Period.

People in Israel are being screwed over by their politicians just like people in Iran are being screwed over... Hell, did you know that it's a punishable crime in Iran for woman to walk down the street without a headscarf? They're freaking crazy!

Bottom line: Don't kiss any politician's ass. They never deserve it.

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These supposed crazies are acting sane to me.

By your standards they are crazy. By mine they look like reasonable people trying to communicate with one another in a spirit of fellowship.

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And btw, I love women.

And btw, I love women. The kind and intelligent ones, anyway.

Starting with my wife and friend. And women who can think, and speak, and defend themselves, are interesting, as I see them, here, or in Iran.

OR ANYWHERE on this planet.

And if I made that post I linked to, again below, about the U.N. BEAST denying the right of Iranian women for speaking out before them, those RASCALS who PRETEND, FULL OF IT, that they "care" about nations and people, I did it precisely thinking of them : the Iranian women.

Who else DENOUNCED this horrendous picking and choosing of which women are worth enough TO BE HEARD ?

I didn't see it linked yet, so I DID.

I got MAD when I realized the BLOOD THIRSTY bureaucrats' NASTY trick in use to fuel their DISINFORMATION towards the Western World :

Just because their Iranian men are (supposedly) treating their wives and sisters so bad ... these U.N. bureaucrats have to condescendingly POUT AND IGNORE the Iranian women's mere right to speak out ?

Yeah, right. HOW CONVENIENT FOR THESE SO-CALLED U.N. "HUMANITARIANS", INDEED !

OUTRAGED I WAS of this, ALL TOO WELL KNOWN, pattern :

YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LIE AS THEY SEE FIT about Iran and its people's ACTUAL condition, whether good or not, and where, and how.

Mrs. Hitlery Clinton : YOU ARE SUCH A DISGRACE TO YOUR COUNTRY for letting that happen, as a woman !

Now...

I never claimed Iran is a country I'd like to live in.

But I do not like, I hate actually :

the TWO-FACES Deceiver, THE LIAR AND HIS PLANS AND SPREADSHEETS.

Whatever HIS ugly shape can be.

Peace.

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Ok then how about letting their women with a chance to speak out

Okay.

Then, how about letting their women to have a chance to speak out and officially complain before those who supposedly "care" :

oh, wait...

"They" DON'T EVEN let the iranian women just speak about their condition :

http://www.dailypaul.com/255018/the-un-says-no-to-iran

That's INDEED an interesting CLUB, the U.N. ! The supposedly oppressed women aren't even ALLOWED to testify about their own oppression...

Would some be afraid to what they have to say maybe ?

I say :

How about trying nations and peoples' OWN SOVEREIGNTIES, for a change ?

if the Iranian people isn't happy with their rulers ... let them deal with it.

I am a Christian.

I believe in free markets.

I believe in Liberty.

I don't want to be OWNED BY ANYBODY, foreign OR NOT.

And I don't want TO OWN ANYBODY EITHER, foreign OR NOT. Because THAT IS WRONG.

MY GOD AND CHRIST TAUGHT ME that is wrong.

Iran DID **NOTHING** AGAINST ME. NADA. RIEN DU TOUT.

BUT ! On the OTHER HAND, indeed :

the U.N. and CORRUPT French governments, and now an American one, DID **EVERYTHING** TO ENSLAVE, and OPPRESS ME, MY FAMILY, and YOU, and OUR Peoples.

"SMOOTHLY" and insidiously if one dares say, but THEY DID NEVERTHELESS and CONTINUE to do so.

EVERY SINGLE DAY, damn it.

ENOUGH WITH THE GLOBALISTS LESSON GIVERS AND CRIMINALS.

Let's Restore America AND MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS.

For LIBERTY and PEACE.

Peace.

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EXACTLY! BRAVO! You Said It All In One Phrase:

EXACTLY! BRAVO! You Said It All In One Phrase:

And I Quote You:

"if the Iranian people isn't happy with their rulers ... let them deal with it".

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Are you talking about his grammatifcal err?

Cause most Americans only speak 1 language. Or are you saying let them take care of themselves? I agree with the quote - if they aint' happy let them deal with it!

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I didn't have the opportunity to correct it

I didn't have the opportunity to correct it in time, I figured too late. His comment came in before I could re-edit mine.

But yes, I did want to mean, corrected :

"... let them deal with THEIR OFFICIALS."

I didn't mean just "IT". Which OBVIOUSLY sounds rather wrong.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Why I feel inspired, I cannot say, but here goes

"if the Iranian people isn't happy with their rulers ... let them deal with it".

"if the Iranian people [ARE NOT] happy with their rulers ... let them deal with it".

I am not sure about the "it" at the end of the sentence. I think the problem may be with the verb tense. But don't ask me to conjugate verbs in another language. I cannot even speak another. I am only replying here so that you might know for your own benefit if you would like to know :)

A single person is not happy (or isn't).

A group of people are not happy (or aren't).

Peace and happy blogging.

Funny

how you, with a high moral stroke, equate Iranian government (where mullahs appoint presidential cabinet positions) and 13 political parties in Israel that always rule in a coalition.

Netanyahu is center-right (likud party), his defense minister is left (Labor party), his foreign minister is from another centrist party, etc.

That's only because Israel

Has a European style democracy, with a government so fractured, it is nearly always a minority government, much like Italy, among others.

An Iranian Republic is still better than the piece of crap dictator we installed there earlier, and it is sure as sh!t better than the Islamic states we seem to be supporting in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, possibly Egypt, etc.

Eventually, every country that wants a nuke in the region will have one. It's not a question of if, but when.

A long term strategy of containment is always doomed to fail.

Watching The Green Wave

Think back to the uprising and the brutal crackdown. Be careful praising Ahmadinejad. The people want peace, but don't forget it is the leaders of our two countries who will bring war. Ahmadinejad will get no praise from me because of the treatment of the people in Iran we all saw.

So you must have missed

The brutal crackdown right here in the U.S. on the occupy movement?

The people in America want peace as well, and it us up to us to unseat those who want endless war.

The government of Iran is looking at Arab countries undercut by CIA operatives stirring up dissent, like in Libya.

Look at the media headlines of Syria yesterday. "Rebel Command" "Syrian HQ" Loaded phrases to ensure sympathy to the proper side.

Note that American snipers are called "sharpshooters" in the press. Saddam Hussein did not have a hideout, it was a "Spider Hole".
Ghaddafi's was named by the press as a "Bolt Hole".

Don't get sucked in by the propaganda.

You must not be talking to me.

I didn't say anything positive about any government, ours or theirs.

I'm Praising The Jews :)

I'm Praising The Jews :)

Did you miss that?

Ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!

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Why do you think I'm

Why do you think I'm referencing your comment?