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Video: Living Under Drones

A new report from the Stanford and New York University law schools. Consider sharing with family and friends, I'm pretty sure this won't make MSM.

"Since 2004, up to 884 innocent civilians, including at least 176 children, have died from US drone strikes in the North Waziristan region of Pakistan. A new report from the Stanford and New York University law schools finds drone use has caused widespread post-tramatic stress disorder and an overall breakdown of functional society in North Waziristan. In addition, the report finds the use of a "double tap" procedure, in which a drone strikes once and strikes again not long after, has led to deaths of rescuers and medical professionals. Many interviewees told the researchers they didn't know what America was before drones. Now what they know of America is drones, death and terror."

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http://youtu.be/6yMOzvmgVhc



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ytc's picture

Oct 19, 2012 interview of one of the co-authors, Omar Shakir,

Stanford Uni law student @ http://scotthorton.org/2012/10/19/101912-omar-shakir/

Excellent insightful show . . . great piece to accompany this research/ video.

Discussed topics are "Living Under Drones" video report; 76 countries that have drones now; autonomous & swarms of drones; moral questions of targeting first responders & funerals; drones for domestic law enforcement and more.

Sad

This just plain makes me VERY SAD :C How have we the USA gone so far off the coarse of greatness that my father had enjoyed. I'm 49 years old and long for the day. And feel for my children and their future

Thank You For Posting That

It's a tragedy what we're doing to these people. This is a perfect example of blowback by the way.

I also want to make another point though. The answer to the question asked in the video about whether or not Americans know what is going on is "no". Many are happy to be ignorant (watching American Idol, etc) but there are also plenty of others who *would* if only the MSM covered this type of material. I urge people to check out Russ Baker's website WhoWhatWhy.com. It's a news site that doesn't take corporate money and covers the issues the way we need our media to.

it'll take civilian deaths from drone strikes in the US

before anyone will really care apart from a small minority.

One interesting thing is the way science fiction still draws on the narrative that robot drones will have some form of prime directives/laws to not kill civilians. (Azimov's quoted below)

First Law: A robot must not harm a human or, through inaction, allow a human to come to harm.

Second Law: A robot must obey instructions given to it by human beings, except where doing so would violate the first law.

Third Law: A robot must protect its own well-being, except where doing so would violate either the first or second law.

They don't and they won't.

Asimov wrote his laws of robotics

back in 1950. The present generation grew up with "Terminator," et seq.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

I know

what I'm saying is it's still a narrative in sci fi for some reason.

have you seen drone? http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6BF5DAE7D4915461&feat...

it contains the narrative of a drone not being able to kill unarmed civilians as it's against it's internal logic. that's what I'm on about.

the more dystopian you get they less rules the robots have, i suppose :(

It'll take more than a few civilian deaths.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

~Martin-Niemöller @1945 Germany

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Thanks for sharing

Just posted to my Facebook.

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. - Patrick Henry

ytc's picture

Kudos to Stanford and New York University law schools'

faculties & students, who participated in this project! We need MANY more of these courageous, methodical, conscientious, legal-minded activists.

The Future of Freedom Foundation has a fantastic program for training legal-minded activists to restore American civil liberties as well: http://www.fff.org/collegetour.html

Obama is a mass murderer and war criminal

and Mitt Romney aspires to outdo him.

Makes you proud to be an American, huh? USA! We're Number One (rogue terrorist nation)!

Here's a thought: the gang that calls itself "your government" has no legitimacy whatsoever. Regard their demands for money and obedience the same way you would regard the demands of your local street gang. Sometimes you've got to pay them off, but . . . they're just a gang, you have no moral obligation to let them rule your life.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Remember this ole saying.....

TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Linda Cross's picture

Looks like we are trying

to perpetuate the War on Terror, which wouldn't exist if we let the world live in peace. Some say that if we don't attack them they will come over here. BS. These people just want to live their lives and worship their God. More people need to wake up to the lie that was 9/11 and started all this nonsense. Pakistanis used to be our friends, 74% consider us the enemy.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

bump--

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No words--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

ytc's picture

I hope many legal-minded youngsters in the Liberty Movement

learn from the thorough excellent writings of Glenn Greenwald and decide to follow his steps.

Thanks

I posted this in one of my online mommy groups. If it even wakes up one person, it's worth the backlash I will get, lol.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Thanks

for posting

Murder by Remote Control.

+1, thanks for bringing attention to this cruel method of murder, i.e. killing even the medics. These demons even attack funerals. U$-NATO have a monopoly of or license to murder innocents & wayfarers. Even the allegations of terrorists is suspect. The Afghans are mountain folks, & the only people who are Not hooked to the global banking cartel, and research of Biblical names & customs says = they are the ancient tribes of Israel.

Isn't all murder cruel?

Aren't the pilots of these drones terrorists in the true sense on the word? Isn't the occupation of these countries terrorism for the sake of fighting terror? How does this violence reverse itself? We have bombed Iraq since the early 1990's and killed or displaced millions of Muslims - the entire region will never let this go - we will be living in a time of blow-back for maybe generations to come.

These bankers must be stopped and jailed or executed for financial high crimes. The media and Governments must be called into account for their complicity also. How?

Preparation through education is less costly than learning through tragedy

Wanton ~ ~ Murder.

+1, you are so right, on the target. What I meant to say or should have added is "wanton" murder.

Wanton: as adjective (Dictionary.com)
1. done, shown, used, etc., maliciously or unjustifiably: a wanton attack; wanton cruelty.
2. deliberate and without motive or provocation; uncalled-for; headstrong; willful: Why jeopardize your career in such a wanton way?
3. without regard for what is right, just, humane, etc.; careless; reckless: a wanton attacker of religious convictions.
4. sexually lawless or unrestrained; loose; lascivious; lewd: wanton behavior.
5. extravagantly or excessively luxurious, as a person, manner of living, or style.

Synonyms
1. malicious. 2. calculated. 3. heedless, inconsiderate. 4. licentious, dissolute, immoral, libidinous, concupiscent, lustful. 5. lavish. 10. waste.