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Do you remember that Ron Paul helped host a third-party event in 2008?

Here is the video. Yes, some time after Ron Paul had dropped out in 2008, he helped organize a televised event for the remaining third party and independent candidates that were of course not allowed to debate against McCain & Obama. Among those invited in 2008 were:

Ralph Nader - Independent
Cynthia McKinney - Green Party
Chuck Baldwin - Constitution Party
Bob Barr - Libertarian Party (Ended up not attending)


Do any of you think that a few nice media outlets would not mind setting up another event like this again for these 2012 candidates:

Gary Johnson - Libertarian Party
Virgil Goode - Constitution Party
Jill Stein - Green Party

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This is one of the main

This is one of the main reason why Ron lost, he almost beat Romney. Rand is not repeating the same mistake. Endorsements in primaries are a whole different ballgame that endorsements in general elections.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

The Republican Elite WANT you to waste your vote on a 3rd party

That's why they are fighting to keep them off the ballot and out of the debates. But really that's what THEY WANT you to do. That's what everyone on this forum has said lately anyway. But we shouldn't even consider talking about these things. I mean this isn't the Daily JohnsonGoodeStein3rdparty.

it was cool at the time, but

it was cool at the time, but because of it, Ron Paul lost the Iowa straw poll and Iowa caucus.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

I remember watching the debate!

I had no clue Paul helped organize it! How cool!


Someone needs to take the 2 party debates and edit in live answers from the other candidates and spread it around

ron paul

Dr. Pauls 16minute intro was AWESOME !!


"OBAMA's NOT FOR CHANGE!" - ron paul 2008

He most certainly was right then and is still NOW!!!

Cynthia Mckinney is awesome in this TOO WOW
these people are the true patriots of america, not the phonies we have today and tommorow

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Those saying Ron Paul is not a leader could not be more wrong

And this video proves it.

Ultimately, leadership by example and forming coalitions is the best type of leadership.

"Four Candidates Confirmed"...

"for the 2012 Presidential Debate Hosted by Free and Equal Elections Foundation"

"More Sponsors Across the Political Spectrum Join the Cause for Open, Fair Elections

Free and Equal Elections Foundation announced today that four candidates have confirmed their participation in the 2012 Presidential Debate at the University Club of Chicago on October 23: Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, Constitution Party candidate Virgil Goode, and Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson.

This debate is the only 2012 Presidential Debate featuring four candidates. The top six candidates were invited to participate. Democratic Party candidate and incumbent Barack Obama and Republican Party candidate Mitt Romney are welcome to participate in this historic debate. The moderator will be announced shortly.

“The four candidates participating represent a nice balance of right and left leaning candidates,” stated Christina Tobin, chair of Free and Equal. “This debate will cover the real issues facing our country such as foreign policy, the economy, and civil rights, rather than topics that further divide us.”

Free and Equal’s 2012 Presidential Debate sponsors span the political spectrum of grassroots organizations and media who are uniting to solve our nation’s problems. Current sponsors include The Josh Tolley Show, Ballot Access News, Muslims for Liberty, National Constitution Party, The Justice Party, Blue Republicans, Restore the Republic, Re-Tea Party, Free the Vote NC, We the People, Grassroots for Liberty, and New Progressive Alliance.

The debate will be broadcast online at www.freeandequal.org. Several additional live feeds will be announced shortly as Free & Equal finalizes its media sponsors."


Will the MSM notice? I'm working to help with that - I know we have 2 smaller U.S. networks and one larger international network committed to being there so far! And Dr. Paul has been invited to be a part of this one too!:)

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This is news to me.... You

This is news to me.... You should post a new topic on it.

There was one


There is a debate scheduled and all three plan on attending. Obama and Romney were invited as well, but we all know they won't show up. As for other third party candidates, well they weren't invited because they aren't on enough state ballots to win.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!


"they weren't invited because they aren't on enough state ballots to win."

hmm yeah right , dont be naive dude

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

I remember this!

Ron Paul was awesome!

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul


Maybe Ron Paul is saving the extra 2 million in campaign funds to put on another Debate... This would be terrific if the media world promote it.

We need to put on another debate/press conference like the one in this video. Spread the idea.

The media doesn't cover

The media doesn't cover anything that we do. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't still do them though.


You could probably get WXIX Cincinnati and Ben Swann to host it...Wouldn't that be fun?

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

I think it would be at least

I think it would be at least notable if all the 3rd party candidates were in this debate.... Especially if we got it in a stadium like the one Ron Paul spoke in before the convention.

The media would have to say something if all the third party candidates were all coming to a centralized debate.
Libertarian, Constitutional, Green, ect.

P.S.- make it before the Democrat and republican debates, so people can compare ideals and see the "political show" for what it really is.

edit Gary Johnson into the debate

I say someone could edit Gary's responses into the debate videos. If not, then Gary could debate two empty chairs somewhat like Clint did.

Ron Paul 2012; Rand Paul 2016

Why would Gary have to debate

Why would Gary have to debate empty chairs? The Constitution Party and Green Party candidates are the ones that showed up for the 2008 3rd party coalition. It was the Libertarian Party candidate that was missing.


And FAKE-conservative/FAKE-tea/FAKE-liberty folks remember too - they contently WARP that event to spread the LIE that "Ron Paul ENDORSED McKinney, Nader and pals," even though IN REALITY, Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin in 08. FAKE-conservative/FAKE-tea/FAKE-liberty people will SAY ANYTHING to get their way.

F the R's.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

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And I remember that fake Libertarian

LP candidate Barr did his best to weaken the coalition that supported the principles of a peaceful foreign policy and ending the Fed monopoly.
GJ is a better candidate, I hope it is a trend.

Bob Barr was a joke

He almost single-handedly destroyed the Libertarian Party.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I hope Gary is not the

I hope Gary is not the candidate again in 2016. The LP pushing fake Libertarian candidates is getting disheartening.

What is "FAKE-conservative/FAKE-tea/FAKE-liberty" you ask?

Well... the rhythm of their bravo sierra is really easy to spot, as it NEVER CHANGES.

1. They will preface their propaganda by using themselves as a sort of case study. They will ALWAYS claim that they SUPPORTED (insert demonized target) in the past...

2. ...but have "learned their lesson" and now see how "futile" that is...

3. ...and are now involved in "infiltrating" the gop - the only "smart" thing to do.

4. The propagandist will then add some textbook gop fear-mongering: "if you're not with the leftist gop, you're against your country." This propaganda can become very threatening, closer to election.

5. Then, the propagandist will deceptively CONCEDE that the gop is leftist - to FALSELY position themselves as like-minded to their victim, but that they are the "ONLY CHOICE." In other words... "Hold your nose" again.

6. Finally (and this is a really awkward, desperate tactic) they will actually claim that voting FOR the gop is "sticking it to the gop" - thus tricking the naive victim into thinking loss... is victory. Very, very Orwellian.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

read the granger's comments

and you will get a perfect example of what this poster is talking about.

i made a thread about this after the convention

I tried to bump MNystrom's tread on this from 08 but the comments were disabled so i created my own.

I think these 4 points are crucial, whether you are in the gop, democrat, or independent; this is the guide for focus. Dont get caught up in other issues which are not threatening the future of the Republic.

Ralph Nader is Independent of Party

Ralph Nader was not Independent Party.. NO PARTY

Like many today, I refused to join the GOP for Ron Paul on 08, so he sent us all back from where we came, giving us our candidates to look at in a debate.

I doubt this will happen this election as for one, many of us joined the GOP this time, became delegates, took committee seats and are running for office, or like Rand Paul, are in office fighting to restore the republic.

If you are not in the GOP fighting to restore the republic, you are actively participating in ending the republic this election.

Many here who hate the establishment are very happy to end the Republic, want a NWO, and are promoting GJ and write-in to achieve their goals, which, is exactly what the PTB and Neocons want.

for the romney zombies, as a

for the romney zombies, as a republican , f romney. anyone supporting romney is supporting obama/romney 2012 police state, socialism/fascism wrapped in an american flag ,YOU LOSE!!!! if your voting for romney you are voting obama!

Gary Johnson 2012 over Obamney(romney/obama lovers)

i think your full of crap hiding behind a gop committee oath. you signed an oath to vote for romney not crawl up his ass and sell his crap as roses.

Ron Paul 2016

I agree

one should never five up their free will.

Keep preaching sister.

A lot of libertarians aren't happy unless the country's going to pot. Because if everything's not going to pot, they don't have anything to complain about. So many of the GJ supporters feed on doom and gloom. Taking over the GOP is how we're going to restore this republic. But, they don't want the republic restored because then their "cause" wouldn't exist any more.

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!