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Caution! Write In Campaigns Benefit Establishment GOP!

I am a long time Ron Paul supporter, and I understand perfectly why people want to write in Ron Paul. Probably like you, Ron Paul cured my political apathy. His message of Liberty lit a fire inside me that drives me to political action, unlike anytime before.

That said, I am against any write-in campaign for Ron Paul, and I strongly urge everyone to think twice about participating. Why? Here are some straightforward reasons:

1) In almost all states, write-ins won't be counted. Check here:
http://imgur.com/EF2bM
If your state is not green, writing in Ron Paul will not count, and worse may invalidate your entire ballot. Ron Paul has not filed for write in status anywhere, and no one can do it for him. Sore loser laws prevent write ins from counting in yet more states. It is truly a wasted vote in almost every state.

2) Write-ins for Ron Paul will split the Liberty vote. Imagine if you and others join a write-in campaign, and then find in November that Gary Johnson gets 9% of the vote, when he could have had 13% or 16% had we all voted as a block. The entire course of events in 2014 and 2016 change dramatically. With a write-in splitting the Liberty vote, media may be able to narrate that no third party broke double digits, giving them further justification to ignore us. However if we all vote for Johnson and he breaks double digits, there is no narrative that can ignore us.

3) Voting for Gary Johnson sends precisely the same message to the establishment GOP that a vote for Ron Paul would have sent. In fact, the establishment *wants* you to write in Ron Paul, just so you split the Liberty vote and provide justification for ignoring Liberty candidates and the Liberty message.

4) The Liberty Movement is best positioned for the future, if we not only demonstrate voting as a cohesive block, but also give weight behind a 3rd party candidate. Why? Because if the GOP continues to promote only neocon policies, if they continue to push top-down rules that prevent grassroots action and input, we must have an alternate avenue to express our political will. A strong Libertarian vote gives us all a credible, viable alternative to the GOP in the future, should the GOP continue to thwart all changes towards Liberty.

5) In 2014 and 2016, the entire landscape of the political world changes, to our benefit, if we all vote as a single block in 2012. All these write-in campaigns do is splinter our vote. There is nothing the establishment would want more than to splinter our vote. Don't give them the opportunity to ignore us further.

If all write-ins were counted everywhere, and if it were a viable strategy for advancing the Liberty Movement forward into 2014 and 2016, I'd be all behind them. However, from my standpoint I only see it fracturing our vote, giving the establishment the ability to literally ignore thousands and thousands of votes, and giving them maximum opportunity to ignore us in the future.

Is Gary Johnson perfect? Heck no. But is he a reasonable alternative to the two party system that crushes all chances for an outside voice in the process? Yes! Does he have 92.4% alignment in policies with Ron Paul? Yes! Will voting for Gary Johnson send the right message that we want to send? Yes! Does voting for Gary Johnson best position the Liberty Movement in the future? Yes!

We all will find positions of his that we don't like. Some will chime in about his stance on Uganda that they don't like. Some will point out that an old political advisor of his was associated to CFR, therefore somehow tainting Gary Johnson by association. Some will point to his pro-choice stance as a dealbreaker. Some will claim that he carries campaign debt, and somehow that makes him a bad candidate. Some will dig their heels in and say Ron Paul or no one.

As good (or bad) as these reasons may be, I urge everyone to put all this into proper perspective. Our goal here is to best position the Liberty Movement for the future. A write-in campaign, no matter how well intentioned, does nothing to advance the Liberty Movement for the future. Using any of the above excuses to not vote for Johnson, does nothing to advance the Liberty Movement for the future, and blows an opportunity that may take years to arise again.

Only a strong showing by a cohesive Liberty voting block will achieve what we all want to achieve in 2012, and tell both parties: The message of Liberty is what America is all about, and we reject outright parties and policies that are counter to this message!

For all of these reasons, I urge fellow Ron Paul Republicans, and Daily Paul readers, to get behind Gary Johnson and reject any ideas that will splinter his vote.

https://donate.garyjohnson2012.com/

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SteveMT's picture

Voting Rule #1: Feel good about voting or don't vote at all.

Consider this:

If this system is so corrupt that some votes are not counted, then it does not matter what we do. Reasoned conclusion: Do what matters to you. Vote your conscious, and forget the rest.

Although seemingly well intentioned, posts like this are a double-edged sword. They wear you down and down, and they attempt to rationalize your voting for an alternative candidate, These posts attempt to comfort and guide you through your decision making process to show you that their way is the best alternative, the only logical alternative.

These posts are just like Agenda 21; the elite want us dead, but even better than killing us themselves, they want us to kill ourselves. They would like nothing more than to push us off of a cliff, but even better than that, they want us to willingly walk off of cliff because they guided us to the edge and told us that is no apparent alternative except to jump. If this post has comforted you and logically showed you that Gary Johnson is the best and only choice that matters, then vote for him.

If the system is corrupt enough to do what it has done to Ron Paul and get away with it without a peep, then voting really does not matter, except in the conscious of the individual. Think about how you will feel after election day by the way you voted. Did you vote for the best man even though your vote was not even counted (like our delegate's votes in Tampa) and he lost OR did you vote for someone who was not the best man whose vote was counted, but he still lost? Does it matter? Is there a difference? You bet there is with what is heading our way. Do what you think is best for you. You are the one that has to live with yourself after election day.

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A different link to the similar voting information.

Did you know there are Anti-Write in laws for Presidential Elections.
by Libertyinourlifetime Posted August 30, 2012 (NY, MN, &ND are missing)
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/did-you-know-there-are...

I prefer my stances on everything to GJ.

I prefer my stances on everything to GJ. Just as I prefer RP to GJ. However, I am not going to write in a vote for myself. I know, many of you were hoping I would give myself a vote as, I'm sure, all of us are preferable candidates over Romney and Obama. I will not be voting for myself because I am no longer vying for votes and no longer running for the presidency. This is the same reason I will not be writing in RP and I will be voting for GJ. <3 RP always.

Here in Michigan...

...I voted for Paul in the 2008 primaries and the ticker taped read "defective ballot" after I slid mine in. Also happened with the person I came with that voted behind me for Paul. Both of ours in a row said that. Then in the general I voted for Chuck Baldwin. After sliding in my ballot, the ticker tape came out once again and this time it said "un-voted ballot". The whole system is set for "their" winner. That is what we need to fix. I have said this more than once and it seems as though people still believe the system is honest. When you see it with your own eyes you never feel the same. I still vote though, because I do not know how far down the line the cheating goes.

The map isn't totally correct.

Our state can, if validated by the candidate with the proper paperwork.

As far as the Liberty Movement unified block, I don't think that will happen for 2016. There were those who got involved in the Republican party, will mostly stay there. Those that didn't get involved but want third party, will do so. And I think there are more that won't get involved at all and are waiting for the STHF. I do not have answers for solution. Any strong focus is probably two years away most likely.

There would have to be a historic changer for a viable third party to go mainstream. Something big. Ventura is not the bigness.

I think it's more of, things will get worse before they get better. And I am talking about the Liberty movement.

It is a Johnson troll lie to say ballots will be invalidated

by a write-in vote. That is never the case.

States where you should write in Ron Paul are: AL, IA, WI, PA, CA, VT, NH, DE, OR, RI (map does not show OR.)

A vote for Johnson means we are submitting to GOP and media tactics. In addition Ron Paul's message and associations are clearer than Johnson's: no NDAA, end the Fed, end the bank bail-outs. They are not just bullet points on a website, Ron Paul has lived them and breathed them and stood on the House floor defending our rights. In states where we already know it will count write-in Ron Paul. In other states wait for the outcome of Richard Gilbert's lawsuit to make write votes count in all 50 states.

Also it is a Johnson troll lie that a write-in vote can invalidate your entire ballot. Please stop repeating it, as Johnson supporters have proven themselves to be ruthless takeover artists and pathological liars. Because of your tactics I have already persuaded at least 7 people not to vote for Johnson who were going to do so, and will continue. The nature of the man is shown by the nature of his followers.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Your wrong, no state counts

Your wrong, no state counts write-in votes for President. That is because we don't vote for President, we vote for their Electors, as in Electoral College. Write-ins have no Electors.

In 1988 RP found out they didn't count the third Party ballots.

But the MSM gets a bonus for voter turnout.

I won't vote for President.

Free includes debt-free!

They did not count Perot or Ralph Nader?

I believe Ron Paul still retains the highest vote count of LP candidate for president, I never heard of him before 2007 and I have been involved in conservative politics for 50 years.

Your non-vote will not be counted, either.

That is correct. There is nothing to count.

If people stop voting then Congress will mandate voting to preserve the democracy.

Why does Nader call it a two Party duopoly?

Here is Dr. Paul in 1989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GewLKQU7XSs&feature=player_de...

Have the rules changed? How will the votes be reported on election night?

Free includes debt-free!

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I am not responsible for tactics played by the current underhanded/corrupt political process. I will not cater to altering or compromising my principles.

The rnc will know that in 2016 I will not tolerate what transpired in 2008 and 2012. They will know that when I back 1 candidate who supports my country and the Constitution, I mean it and will not sway.

I respect your choice to get behind GJ. You must respect mine for not.

It is when the rnc sees our strength in numbers, and we do not go off into different directions, that they will take us seriously. I stood behind Ron Paul then, for all of the right reasons, and I will see it through to the end. If you and 1 million others choose to abandon this ship, that is your choice and your right. My vote remains as is. Because when I say and commit to something, I mean it. Otherwise my word is no better than theirs.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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That's exactly why I'm voting for Gary Johnson in Ohio.

Write-ins aren't counted here unless the candidate files paperwork, which Ron Paul hasn't done. And third parties need to earn a certain percentage of the vote to retain ballot access in Ohio, since the laws are so stacked in favor of the Reps and the Dems.

Yes, there's still a Ron Paul sign in my yard. I may leave it there for the next four years until I replace it with a Rand Paul sign.

But in a few short weeks, I'm voting for Gary Johnson as a giant FU to the establishment GOP and their accomplices in the Democrat party.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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GJ was a lifelong Republican until December 2011

GOP will see a vote for GJ as a vote for their Party.

Free includes debt-free!

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"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Vote flipping, dead people

Vote flipping, dead people voting, illegal immigrants voting, counting votes in secret - does it really matter if I choose to cast a write in? My vote has just as good of a chance to be thrown away as anyone elses.

You might think Johnson can fill the void left by Paul, but I disagree for many reasons. Paul's limited government philosophy is rooted in liberty, whereas, Johnson's limited government iconoclasm is more that of an accountant/businessman, than that of a philosopher rooted in liberty.

To advance this movement, we must not rely on anyone but ourselves. We must continue to do what was asked of us, which is working on the local/state level. Johnson cannot fill the void left by Paul - but we can!

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Exactly!
RP created a vacuum in the GOP and we are filling it while they chase a ghost of liberty, GJ

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

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How does casting a vote for Gary Johnson...

...interfere with the work of taking over the GOP?

You can do both.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

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Voting for GJ goes against the conscience when there is a man like RP who can be written in.

Millions around the world would KILL to be able to even simply write a man like him in.

You should vote your conscience in 2012, this might just be the year you actually get what you vote for.
History will tell how you voted. There are records kept on everything and transparency is coming like it or not.
How would you feel in 20 years when everyone knows you voted for a stooge like GJ when a RP vote was possible?

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

C_T_CZ's picture

I respectfully disagree

RE all the reasons you state in your first paragraph, I suggest that yes, it does matter, and using any of these reasons for a losing write-in campaign is self-defeating. If you have concerns about the vote, I encourage you to visit http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ where you can help participate in the solution.

I never said Johnson can fill the void left by Paul, and agree he doesn't. But I am suggesting a write-in vote for Paul does nothing to advance the Liberty Movement, and even more actually helps the establishment GOP by fracturing our vote.

I agree to advance this movement we need to rely on each other, all Ron Paul Republicans who Dr. Paul woke up from political apathy, to do what needs to be done to advance the cause of Liberty. We have this one shot to position ourselves for 2014 and 2016. A write in vote for Ron Paul will mean something to you, and that's all. A vote for Gary Johnson publicly rebukes the GOP, gives us a credible avenue away from the GOP should we want to take it in the future, and reshapes the political landscape for years, to our benefit.

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We will have to agree to

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I am very familar with Bev harris and the website, thanks anyhow for the link. It's a good resource.

How in the world does a write in help the establishment GOP? You got me on that one. I'm stumped. A fractured conservative vote means a no win for Romney. So what if I write in Paul and you cast a vote for Johnson?

My entire family and others I have talked with, intend to vote for Paul. A man I know, took Paul's advice and is running for a Congressional seat and he intends to write in Paul. My state counts write ins, if that doesn't mean anything to you than so be it. You state a vote for Johnson rebukes the GOP, however, I don't tend to vote out of spite.

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My whole family is going to write Paul in as well...
Im in his district and the ones Ive spoken to who are supporters will write him in as well, just like we did in 08.
Ive learned from RP to always vote my conscience.
It would be my luck- this was the MAGICAL year that all individuals of earth get who we vote for, and my being a dunce voted for candidate "C" instead of RP....Not taking any chances with fate here, no way...
I would hate to look back on history and think I had the mere chance to write in a man like RP and I didnt do it. I would be forever ashamed of myself.
But since Im writing in RP I can sleep aqt night and still hope.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

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C_T_CZ's picture

A Fractured Liberty Vote Helps Establishment GOP

I didn't describe a fractured conservative vote, although we are indeed part of one :) Thanks for your civil reply and knowing I am not an enemy, as I understand you are not one either.

I'll explain how a write in helps the establishment GOP. Let's assume the establishment GOP wants to continue to ignore us, wants to continue to minimize our numbers and our influence. I think those are safe assumptions.

If some Ron Paul Republicans vote for Johnson, and others write in Ron Paul, that is a fractured Liberty vote. The write ins almost always won't be counted. So according to the announced results after the election, perhaps we will only get 8% of the vote for Johnson, and the GOP can continue to ignore us, using the 8% as the measure of our voting strength. But perhaps, unknown to anyone because the write-ins were not counted, perhaps the write in's were 5% of the vote. We could have the clout of proclaiming 13% and shake the political landscape. Instead, because people wrote in Ron Paul instead of voting for Johnson, our numbers are deflated.

Even if your state does count write-ins, I suggest that it means the media would need to "add" two categories of votes together - you give them much more credit than I would :) They would need to add Johnson's, plus this or that state's write-ins for Paul, to get the total Liberty Movement count. I seriously doubt the media will add anything together at all, thus keeping the reporting of our numbers fractured. Also, it gives the media too much opportunity to mis-count and mis-represent, where they can conveniently forget to report a certain state's write-ins just to minimize our impact. Don't you think they would do that, if we give them the opportunity? And what about the GOP - I don't trust them after Tampa. I can see them filing lawsuits right after the election to throw out write-ins from this or that state using this or that excuse, again for the specific purpose to keep our vote fractured and our numbers minimized.

So if you give the establishment GOP the opportunity to measure our numbers at 8% instead of 13% or 18% or whatever they are, you are helping them. You are also hurting the whole movement, and setting us back. Think of all the efforts of all the people across the country, all doing what they could in 2008 and 2012, only to fracture our numbers in the one election where it matters - what a sad situation!

Nevertheless, it's not like voting for Ron Paul wouldn't feel good. I understand totally. However I simply suggest it is not the best way to advance the Liberty Movement, and place us in the strongest position in 2014 and 2016. We have an almost unique opportunity right now, in this 2012 election, to draw a line in the sand - with both political parties. It would be such a shame to let this opportunity to slip through our fingers, to go unrealized, because we were a fractured vote.

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"If some Ron Paul Republicans vote for Johnson, and others write in Ron Paul, that is a fractured Liberty vote."

I do not consider you an enemy either.

However, based upon your sentence, a "fractured Liberty vote" to me is voting somebody who does not support Liberty [our nation, Constitution] 100%. GJ falls short in some areas. That is the entire reason why I support RP over GJ.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul