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Don't Mock The Lady (Obama supporter w/the free phone)

It made me sad and also embarrassed for the Daily Paul to read some of the comments at the post: Lady supports Obama b/c he gave her a phone. "He gave us a phone he will do more." At issue was this video clip.


Fault Obama for trying to buy votes. Fault today's welfare system. Fault today's education system. Don't mock the lady. She was just grateful to have been given a free phone. And for those who alluded to socialism, do you think that woman took an Economics course or otherwise studied comparative economic or political systems? I know someone better-educated and very successful who, regarding the current Middle East debacle and prospect of WWIII, sent me an email ranting, "Kill the savages." Talk about ignorance. And meanwhile, this poorly educated woman is out there on the street trying to promote her man she sees as good, actively participating in the process. This other individual devotes himself to sports in his free time; although, on second thought, given what his views are, I guess that's a good thing.

It's obvious that the woman is poorly educated. There’s no need to highlight that fact. Think it might impinge on her ability to find employment? Can you think of a job for this woman with missing teeth and an inability to express herself very well? (I’m talking about a job that would still be here in America.) The cruel irony is that it's since LIBERALS took over America's education system that it's gone down the tubes - with African-Americans, in particular, affected by the negative consequences. Wake up, BLACK AMERICA! Wake up, AMERICA! Everyone is affected, both directly and/or indirectly.

Circumstances have gotten so bad that it could very well be the downfall of this nation. It's not just my personal opinion. It was the conclusion of "Tough Choices or Tough Times: The Report of the New Commission On the Skills of the American Workforce," published in 2007 by the National Center On Education And The Economy. It was prepared by a bi-partisan commission of "luminaries" from various walks of life including education, labor, and private business. If you’re interested, see who they are/read the Executive Summary here. It's "must reading" for anyone concerned about this country's future with respect to JOBS. Bottom line, they conclude that education today is fraught with so many problems, it warrants the dismantling of the whole system and starting from scratch. http://www.skillscommissi...

But the ECONOMY isn't the only area affected by the current set of circumstances. The situation is so dire as to have become an issue of NATIONAL SECURITY. Not that I necessarily agree with their recommendations, but that's the (obvious) conclusion of a more recent task force co-chaired by Condoleezza Rice and Joel Klein. Their analysis, published as "U.S. Education Reform and National Security" is available at http://www.cfr.org/united... Or check out the highlights in this Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sit...

And forgetting the level of skills of those who DO graduate high school, a full third of Americans don't even get that far. "A recent report from the Educational Testing Service (ETS) entitled "ONE THIRD OF A NATION" is one in a series of sobering assessments which underline the extent of the problem. For the nation as a whole, only about two-thirds of all students who enter 9th grade graduate with a regular diploma four years later. Among poor, black, and Latino youngsters, the likelihood that they will graduate is even smaller. In 2004, according to a report co-authored by the Urban Institute and the Civil Rights Project at Harvard University, ONLY 50 PERCENT OF BLACK STUDENTS, 51 PERCENT OF NATIVE AMERICANS, AND 53% OF HISPANICS GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. Among African-American, Hispanic, and Native American males, the rates are even lower. The public schools are intended as a ladder of opportunity..." [Emphasis mine.] What are the opportunities for 50% of blacks? 51% of native Americans? The largest-growing segment of the population, 53% of Hispanics? A third of all Americans? http://www.pew-partnershi...

Academically speaking, between the poor quality of education and the low graduation rate, America is at the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL compared to other industrialized nations, especially in math and science (where we rank 23rd and 31st, respectively) - that is, the subjects that everyone says is critical in our "technological age." Read: with a disappearing job market on account of, well, whatever you believe the cause (the money system, outsourcing, regulations, taxes, etc.), of the jobs that remain or new jobs created, that's where they'll be, related to Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math, otherwise known as STEM fields. http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...

Education is the responsibility of states - and I have no problem with FIRING everyone in the DOE. But regardless of one's political views, this IS a NATIONAL crisis. And NO presidential candidate has adequately addressed it. Whether or not one supports this idea, sorry to say but the solution is NOT a Band-Aid approach such as "vouchers." And NOR, Mssrs. Gingrich and Gates, is it more technology in classrooms at earlier and earlier grade levels including now kindergarten. Proven successful, technology-free private Waldorf K-8 elementary schools (worldwide) have proven just the opposite to be true. And NOR is it more money thrown at the problem. ALREADY the U.S. spends more per student than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY except Switzerland. http://mercatus.org/publi...)

We need to get to the source and root out the problem. And I'm with the "Tough Choices" group: it's time to START OVER. For those, including commenters on the original DP post, who resent paying for other people's living expenses or who are political idealists – or those motivated by the principle “give them a fish, they'll eat for a day, teach them to fish, they'll eat for a lifetime,” the onus is on them/us to help educate others as to how desperately we need genuine, meaningful reform. And blacks and Hispanics in particular need to be enlightened as to those responsible for the current MESS that would reduce some to fawning over a president and political party for giving them a one-time free phone - while continuing to preclude them from hope to be able to afford their own phone and that "more" they expect.

Here's an idea. Get a copy of "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning," by Abigail Thernstrom and Stephan Thernstrom. Probably not coincidentally, Abigail Therstrom was a member of the Massachusetts State Board of Education and a commissioner on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights - Massachusetts which has actually made some inroads. Get two copies, one for your local superintendent of schools and the other for your local chapter of the NAACP. Of course, everything is relative. As an article in The Atlantic points out:

"Compare US education data to the rest of the world.

Stanford economist Eric Hanushek and two colleagues recently conducted an experiment to answer just such questions, ranking American states and foreign countries side by side. Like our recruiter, they looked specifically at the best and brightest in each place—the kids most likely to get good jobs in the future—using scores on standardized math tests as a proxy for educational achievement.

We’ve known for some time how this story ends nationwide: only 6 percent of U.S. students perform at the advanced-proficiency level in math [Did you catch that? SIX PERCENT], a share that lags behind kids in some 30 other countries, from the United Kingdom to Taiwan. But what happens when we break down the results? Do any individual U.S. states wind up near the top?

Incredibly, no. Even if we treat each state as its own country, not a single one makes it into the top dozen contenders on the list. The best performer is Massachusetts, ringing in at No. 17. Minnesota also makes it into the upper-middle tier, followed by Vermont, New Jersey, and Washington. And down it goes from there, all the way to Mississippi, whose students—by this measure at least—might as well be attending school in Thailand or Serbia." http://www.theatlantic.co...

Hey, just for fun, check out how your state ranks in the scheme of things! http://www.theatlantic.co... I can at least boast that my state is on a par with the (pathetic) U.S. average.

I support leaving education as the responsibility of the states, as per the Constitution. (I do not, however, support the direction of the National Governors' Association towards adopting a national curriculum, or perhaps better stated, global curriculum. I'm all for national sovereignty and also the 50 experiments idea.) Nonetheless, given the sobering facts, whether concern for the loss of human potential and the effect on real life children, or regarding the solvency of this nation with respect to the economy, or analyzing the situation as to implications on our national security, it's necessary that the President of the United States be fully aware of the situation and willing and able to provide some much-needed leadership in the matter.

In debates, Romney will no doubt be touting where Massachusetts is #1 in the U.S. (failing to mention that our #1 state is behind Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Finland, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, the Czech Republic, Japan, Canada, Macao-China, Australia, Germany, and Austria). He'll likely also talk about "accountability" (failing to mention that more testing and all the rote drilling that teachers now do is not the same as genuine learning and developing traits that auger well for a child’s success). And Obama will talk about racial inequities and social justice (failing to mention that it was the progressives who reduced our once-fine system to shambles). He'll likely find one success story to highlight in terms of its dramatic "improvement" - and it's easy to tout high gains, statistically, if you're starting from a low a baseline! (failing to mention that, nationally, SAT scores just dropped... that is, just dropped again; or that "so called" reforms to close the racial divide haven't worked. http://www.insidehighered...). NO candidate will have any substantive ideas for what the United States can and must do to turn the situation around. What is needed is drastic reform, starting tomorrow.

So please, don't mock the lady, who is among millions in her situation who've been made promises and feels as she does. I'm somewhat reminded of the movie Bullworth when, freed to tell the truth, the senator addresses the black community and explains that the unfulfilled promises had just been campaign rhetoric designed to get their vote. (The clip is on YouTube, "A politician actually gives an "honest speech" for a change!" Viewer discretion advised.) When they express outrage, he laughs. "What are you going to do, vote Republican?" The same can be said for promises regarding education and mostly meaningless, drop-in-the-bucket reforms.

Whether for your children's or grandchildren's sake or for the country's sake as a whole, get yourself better educated on the far-reaching implications of our failed public school system. Then help to spread awareness. Just as the Republican Party has learned it can no longer take for granted the votes of more free-thinking libertarian-oriented conservatives, a more free-thinking black community must make it clear to Democrats that their votes can no longer be taken for granted. The video clip I'm looking forward to seeing is one in which that lady and others like her with the same conviction will speaking out to say, "Our vote can NOT be bought with a free phone. We deserve and demand better."

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Her beginning of fame

And now that's her beginning of fame, I guess.

I haven't seen my own mug on Youtube yet**, but I sure hope the first time it will hit the thing front row, whether I know it or not, it'll then be for a better message and image conveyed.


** wait, actually, I did ... but for a split second and it's from afar in a crowd anyway

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

OP - please stop making excuses for people like this woman

She is an adult, she makes her own decisions, she chose to steal from me and brag about it.

Yeah, I have a major problem with her and anyone that thinks like her. She is a proud thief.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

Spectacular post! The

Spectacular post! The Atlantic had an excellent article last year on the educational system (you may have provided a link to it), and Waiting for Superman is a must see documentary on the issue as well.

“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” -George Bernard Shaw

Waiting For Superman

Is a GREAT documentary!!
I cried for those poor families and children.
Everyone in the US needs to watch it!

Cell-phone lady... thanks PzldPtrt

Yes, that was The Atlantic article that had the ranking of each state vis a vis industrialized nations. And I'd forgotten, but I did see Waiting for Superman. Tragic. Seeing those lotteries was hard to take. Thanks for bringing it up. For those interested, it's now on line. Part I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEOOCTmR-k&feature=related And not that I got into it (this was long enough, as some here were kind enough to point out), but "Cartel" makes a "nice" companion piece - on gross misconduct on the part of teachers unions. But while I can't stand the sight of Randi Weingarten, and unions only make a bad situation worse, if we abolished teachers' unions, and schools all changed their hiring/firing policies and restructured salaries, I'm convinced that while it might save taxpayers a bundle, it wouldn't make much of a difference in the quality of education that children receive, no less the gap for minorities.

As a nation, we have a HUGE challenge, with problems at EVERY LEVEL of the system (not to mention our needing to deal with the negative consequences of the system to date). Those who deserve the mocking are today's so-called professionals with EdPhD's, who don't understand and couldn't care less about children or this country, using their positions of authority for other ends. I can't help but think of Ron Paul's frog in the boiling water analogy. This has been going on for decades already - one gradual change after another we somehow got used to, even to the point of people accepting an annual tradition where auditoriums are packed full of excited parents and children holding tickets hoping to win a door prize (attendance at a non-failing school). "And the number is... " It's sick. It's surreal.

While not pertaining to education, per se, to me this whole issue indirectly ties in with the Griffin interview recently posted. As I replied to a comment below, to be sure, not just that ignorant woman but ALL OF US are just viewed as *assets* by the *predators* in control. http://www.dailypaul.com/256905/g-edward-griffin-on-quick-fi... Apparently Charlotte Iserbyt has written on the subject of education and how it does directly tie in (to a global agenda). A comment below noted two salient links. http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ and http://americandeception.com/index.php?page=home.

The ptb have gotten away with murder here. Unfortunately, too few Americans have a grasp on just how dire a situation it is.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

As an individualist,

I don't agree with this blog post. She is part of the problem. She is a moocher and looter that openly brags about being part of the problem. She should be ashamed of herself but instead is proud of herself.

yeh- i agree

cant get much further from 'Ask not what your country can do for you...' than this lady.

The Minorities were USED

at time 25.10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNSXJbdchc

In our talks about education, I have been wondering, did you already know about this lady?

Thank you, bear, for that Iserbyt talk.

No, I did not. I've heard of Iserbyt's book but just never looked into it. But after listening to that video, you can be sure I'll be checking it out now. I can't *believe* how many points she touched on where I've come to the same conclusion or had the same concern. The big difference is, until recently, I've just felt the education system was SO BAD it's almost "as if" we were trying to do things the wrong way; she knows - with an insider's perspective - WE ARE. (It's only more recently that I've begun to suspect that things just couldn't possibly be this bad by accident. But while I was aware of the U.N. getting involved in our education system, I thought it was primarily left-leaning socialist propaganda. It's far more insidious. (I'm very concerned about this global curriculum being adopted by virtually all states via the National Governors' Association.) One person below mentioned Iserbyt's name. Another linked her book. I wish they'd gone into more of where she was coming from. Well, you've now done that. Have you read the book yet?

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

You're Welcome...here is some more LOL

I haven't read Iserbyt yet. It seems I have not time to read, or am too lazy. She has two sites, One of them is full of original scanned documents. One of them has her book online to read for free. Here are the links:

http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ Charlotte Iserbyt
http://americandeception.com/index.php?page=home Charlotte Iserbyt

I am pasting below my path thru 20th century history (I posted it somewhere else and copied it for myself so I would have the info once it was burried here LOL). I don't know if I am right, but there are several links that brought me to my recent understanding. Sutton, Iserbyt and Major Jordan have been keys I was missing. I have house guests coming this weekend and nest week and I have been incapacitated with a sinus infection. Antibiotics have finally kicked in so now I need to kick myself into high gear. You may have already seen some of the links below. I would like to do a DP post to have people vet the info, but have no time now.


What if the WWII Holocaust Jews were used as Zionism Fodder?
Submitted by bear on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 16:11. Permalink
How about this one...as of late, I mean just in the past week, I have come to consider that perhaps the holocaust was a false flag. No, I do NOT mean that 6 million Jewish people were not horribly exterminated. What I mean is that it was allowed to happen, was pushed to happen, maybe even made to happen so that the Zionists would be granted Israel as a homeland.
Mind you, my whole life I have been supportive of Israel as a Born Again Christian.
I do not know if I am right, but it seems that some very devout looking Jewish people met with Ahmadinejad. I watched a video of that meeting here: http://www.dailypaul.com/256465/ahmadinejad-embraces-the-jew... and the Jewish men meeting with Ahmadinejad said something about their leaders being killed in the Holocaust leaving the Jewish people subject to following Zionism. That was an eye opener for me. That sent me on a investigative history hunt (probably a weak one, but one none the less). Those Jewish men in that video did the kissy kissy with Ahmadinejad and it all looked real and sincere. Maybe it was all a show? I don’t know but they also gave him a big silver bowl attributing his “sweetness.” I also looked at the website below that video http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ and saw more information regarding the sellout of the East European Jews by the Zionists:
“These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!”
Here is a dot I am trying to connect: Some people say Ahmadinejad said the Holocaust did not happen or something to that effect. I wonder if his words were twisted and instead he was saying the Holocaust is a fraud. (Not that it didn’t happen, but could have been prevented, or was actually made to happen, or there were ulterior motives.) It seems to me as a child all I ever heard about were the 6 million Jews that were killed (not making light of that subject at all). I suppose that could have been to promote Zionism? I remember saying something to my husband earlier this year that there were a lot more people killed in WWII than 6 million Jews. Why doesn’t anyone talk about the others? What is the purpose of Zionism? Is it part of the Hegelian dialect?
In addition to Zionism, I think the Jews were killed for their gold too. I watched a video called Banking with Hitler and the inception of the IBS (it was the first international bank) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ardr1MAgtmQ . I saw piles of eye glasses and teeth that were melted down. As if they were harvesting a crop. That gold went thru that International Bank. When Hitler took over a country the gold from that country was transferred thru the IBS to Germany…I wonder where all that gold went after the war?
Antony Sutton as an author was also recommended to me. His online readings were too long so I looked on YouTube. I think perhaps, if one can get past the 1970/80 get up in this video series, some clues are held:
Same interviewer again at a later date: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEVOIO4TbZs&feature=related
Sutton again here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sCpsq55uic (Professor Antony Sutton: Wall Street & the rise of Hitler 1)
I also watched some of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QV_GNMt3Q from the daughter of a member of the Skull and Bones, Charlotte Iserbyt, who was also working in Washington under President Reagan in the Department of Education she also speaks again here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNSXJbdchc and mentioned Major Jordan who I listened speak here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCiylpzR60U
Mr. Sutton spoke to the Hegelian conflict used by the Order.
Here is my premise
Eastern Europe was raped by the bankers during WWII who then used the Hegelian conflict of communism and capitalism to control world affairs afterward thru a false cold war. The Holocaust was used by Zionists to create the nation of Israel. The new Hegelian conflict is radical Muslim Terrorists and Zionism to lead world affairs as the United States are becoming Sovietized. So the question is what is the Thesis…where are they, the money brokers, going with these direct opposite conflicts?
It concerns me that there may be very few who are looking out for the best interests of the United States as people are caught up in both opposing sides of the conflict, which IMO have been orchestrated to cause such confusion and delusion while perhaps the raping of the Middle East is accomplished.
How is that for a far-fetched theory? And what bothers me most of all if this is true is that “Christians” have also been used to give moral support or to believe that Zionism is a good thing because of their love for the Israeli people and knowledge that God gave that land to Abraham.. But according to that website given above (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/ged... ), the European Jews where used as fodder to prepare the way for the re-birthing of the Jewish Nation who according to them was not supposed to be accomplished by man, but by God. Those Jews against Zionism say that the rebirthing of Israel was manmade and that they were not supposed to reposes the land until the Messiah granted it to them: “…Only through complete repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.”
May God have mercy upon us as we live in these sordid times. I do not know if my trail of connecting dots is correct, but I highly suspect that it may be.

I think I saw where

you had posted some of that before. It certainly sounds worthwhile to look into. And it does go hand in hand with that Griffin interview. For now, I think I need to check out Charlotte Iserbyt. I can't believe how many times I've come across her name or the name of her book - and I mean well before seeing it mentioned here at the DP. I really needed to be hit over the head with that one; thanks for not giving up and giving me that last crack that finally got through! I really think that these people here commenting on the woman or the free phone she got just have no clue how huge an issue it is. It's really larger than you can wrap your head around. Enjoy your company and being away from all this heaviness and craziness for a while. :)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Overwhelming Magnitude

Yes, I have had that numbing feeling because the magnitude is overwhelming. I think her site with original scanned documents is probably a gold mine for someone doing research. From talking with you, you sound like you are already way down that knowledge road regarding the demise of public education. My boys are 8 & 10 so I am hardly in the position at this time in my life to pour much into anything else. I have just had an unresting need to figure out what in the world is going on in these United States.

It is really hard to undo all that has been accepted into one's mind and yet hold on to what should not be let go...and at the same time not swallow more misinformation. It seems to me the enemy has been busy for a long, long time...and that is not new news because the struggle has been going on since creation. It is just hard to realize that some people can be so evil so as to plan and cause suffering for so many.

Nice post mdefarge!

It is unfortunate that a lady in these United States has not been afforded an education in true liberty, but that is part of the Illegal Criminal game plan...keep them dumb and dependent...and we'll keep their vote.

But, the same thing goes on with the moral issues in the Republican party...keep them thinking we are going to do something about legislating morality...and we will keep their vote...except the repbulican grassroots don’t get the little freebies and babies continue to loose their lives.

It's a travesty - the whole system run amok

Thanks for your comment, bear. Aside from people here (and at the original post) whom I simply can't relate to for such crude comments about that woman,(and I'm not saying it isn't my fault for how this was written, but) my intent wasn't to *defend* the woman by *blaming* anything. Rather, I just found that clip to be so pathetic and also so revealing. Whether by conscious design from the start - and it's likely! (see my exchange w/Danton) - or simply taking advantage of the downward spiral, YES: keep them dumb (through the current education system) and dependent (through the current welfare system)... and we'll (Obama-progressives-socialists) keep their vote. And well, okay, so here we are, and there are plenty more just like her. What are we going to DO about it? As I mentioned to someone below, there are three choices: support them; let them starve; or see that they're educated so they can support themselves.

After I read your comment, I thought that a perfect LINK to this post would be the Griffin interview. I went back so as to get the link for you but saw that you'd also seen it. I'll put it here anyway should someone else see this. This quote more or less covers the whole of what you said. "I think the great bulk of the people who are turning to government for salvation, for benefits, for leadership and all that sort of thing still have it somehow in the back of their minds that these political and financial leaders are looking out for their best interest, that large group of people, whatever size that group may be." To be sure, not just that ignorant woman but ALL OF US are just viewed as *assets* by the *predators* in control. http://www.dailypaul.com/256905/g-edward-griffin-on-quick-fi...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Speaking of Predators...

I replied to Danton below with a link to Charlotte Iserbyt the information is very interesting, a little slow to start, but was an eye opener to me. She speaks from inside experience. I have listened to quite a few of her talks lately.

Hey Girl Hey

What yo numba is?

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Now I want this lady to watch what I've linked

Now I want this lady to watch what I've linked from there :


And then to ONLY try to tell me about her phone and HER MASTER Obama, in my face.

Yes : she really SHOULD TRY.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

If you care about education

Watch and read about Charlotte Iserbyte


Thank You Mdefarge!

This is so timely!
Listening to late-night-radio...here it was:

"Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regards to sustainable development. Some view the plan as a way to inventory and control all land, water, plants, animals, and human beings in the world. William Jasper from the John Birch Society and Rosa Koire from Democrats Against Agenda 21 weighed in with their views, from both the right and left, on why Agenda 21 is bad news for the world."__ Coasttocoastam.com

"This plan is a whole life plan. It involves the educational system, the energy market, the transportation system, the governmental system, the health care system, food production, and more..."
THIS IS A "WHOLE LIFE PLAN"..............................

Here's the list:
Art Thompson discusses: how the War on Terror produces more terror, the War on Poverty produces more poverty, and the War on Drugs produces more drugs; how Saving the Euro means Saving the EU; and how a suggestion in the New York Times to drop algebra is just another example of the dumbing down of the American student.

"Challenging the Myths of Modern Schooling":
"Dumbing Us Down: Written in the first months after John Taylor Gatto left schoolteaching, this book has attained the status of an underground classic"..
"Weapons of Mass Instruction"
John Taylor Gatto’s Weapons of Mass Instruction focuses on mechanisms of compulsory schooling which cripple imagination and discourage critical thinking.
"the new purpose of schooling—to serve business and government—
Only then could the necessary training in boredom and bewilderment begin. Such training is necessary to produce dependable consumers and dependent citizens who would always look for a teacher to tell them what to do in later life, even if that teacher was an ad man or television anchor..."___School As a Place of Bewilderment and Boredom
Seems that John made the "connection" years ago re: Big Business, Education, Brainwashing to Effect an Agenda...Agenda 21.

He was Teacher of the Year for NYC three(3) times, and quit at the peak of his career stating:
"I can't hurt the children anymore".

I got a real kick out of your email from an "educated person", which goes to show us how dumb this country has really gotten...dumb, docile, give me my "stuff" and I'll be happy...that kinda dumb.

Even the Democrats "get it"!

Agenda 21 is right in there with this educational brainwash.
Thanks for a great post with great links.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Regionalism is Communism

I saw that you posted some links. Have you heard of Charlotte Iserbyt? Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNSXJbdchc

She has an inside view was in Reagan's Department of Education and saw the travesty first hand. If you want to take a look at the link you can start at about 4 minutes 15 seconds to get past the intro and corny stuff. She will be talking about her website which containes original scanned documents. If you get tired of that, then you can skip forward to the meat of the talk at 9 minutes. Very interesting information on mind control and the North American Soviet Union. In her estimation Reagan was a fraud.

Re cell-phone lady, thanks Danton

While I'm no bleeding heart liberal, I did have a hard time reading comments on the original post. (This post inspired more.) I admit, it did come to mind, "There but for the grace of God go I." I don't know if you saw that funny clip "Patriot Games," with Obama & Romney seeming to want to outdo each other in references to God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQSpbwKkdg Ironically, Ron Paul wasn't known to do that in speeches. On his website he explained he didn't wish to exploit his beliefs for political gain; but he did state them. He said something to the effect that he'd made Jesus Christ his Lord and Savior and that that influenced all the decisions he made. In the debates, it was more than lip service when he said we should try to live by the Golden Rule. That was part of it for me.

But it was much more than just what I viewed as cruel. I, too, saw a whole lot epitomized in that video clip - two issues of major importance to me. First, the dependency that is fostering a socialist state - what's clear by now is part of a global agenda. (Indeed, if I hadn't realized until someone left a comment/link as to how the phone program worked, it's not even a public handout but a "public-private partnership," one of Agenda 21's primary tools for implementation.)

Second, there is the education aspect. However, the education system is SO BAD, it seems there was less a goal to create human droids that government & business could easily control and more a goal to just bring the country down from within so as to be easily taken over. (Did you by any chance see former Congressman Chuck Bowers' documentary "Agenda?" http://agendadocumentary.com/)

Thanks for the links. I'm familiar with Rosa Koire. But I'd never read that Agenda 21 summary page. It's great, something good to send around. And I've bookmarked the jbs weekly news commentary. I plan to listen to more. At another time I did look into Gatto. Good for him that he said he couldn't hurt the children anymore and quit. On other threads, I've said that if I had children of elementary school age, if I couldn't afford private school, I'd home-school first. Public school is really bad, especially K-6. I basically agree with him as to problems, though not necessarily his recommendations; but that's a whole other discussion. I do appreciate the time you took to reply with all that info.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Yes, But for The Grace of God...

...Go I.
Says a lot......Yesterday I was informed about the tiny 320 sq.ft. apartments to be built in NYC...they are the same size as two jail cells...it's been approved by Mayor Bloomberg.
All part of Agenda 21....move the people from the suburbs and country and relocate them to these "apartments"...like in China.

And like Rosa said;" It's a Whole-Life-Plan"...scary.
Thanks for the vid...gonna check it out!
God Bless.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

"Forgive them Father

for they know not what they do"

That saying comes to mind a lot lately.

I agree Kat. Perhaps my fault for being

poorly expressed, but that was one of my points. There's no doubt that that woman does not understand - as also enough who are well educated (including Republicans) - the ultimate consequences of the philosophy that resulted in her receiving that free phone, i.e., a big-government, progressive philosophy that's been promulgated by both sides. In fact, I wasn't aware until a comment below that the phone program was actually begun under President Bush. Our current president & those in his administration are aware; the left wing of the Democratic Party is aware; some neocons are aware. But I believe the majority of Americans are not. I have friends in the pro-life movement who were just fine with Santorum, that is, a big-government president so long as he'd be promoting *their* agenda. That's part of the work to be done: educating people as to where it leads. The issue of the public school system and education of children is a second issue, though one I feel just as strongly about. And I do see it as related. Aside from the fact that it's a bad system, in general, (such that, for one, only 6% of our students are considered high achievers in math), it's where progressive brainwashing begins, while providing a poor foundation in the ideals that our country was based on, namely, the Constitution, what SHOULD be precluding the kind of federal welfare system depicted.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

She's a piker.

The big banks are the biggest government recipients to the tune of $24 Trillion.

For anyone interested

"The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" by Charlotte Iserbyt


...highly recommended.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

In my best Samuel L Jackson voice I would say

LADY Wake the F&#K UP Bush created this program!

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this woman and others llike her

are not ignorant nor stupid,i see it here
where i live and have experienced it in our own
family,generation upon generation using,misusing
and abusing the system
like i said they are smart enough to work the system
to their advantage,and show others how to
around here there are 3 generations on welfare
most are able bodied to work,but choose not to
they know how to speak well enough to get a handout
and to work it to keep it coming in
i know teenagers on assistance,do not work and sit and play games
all day and all night,and most i know own better than i ever will
here is a story to share
a local party store here had a spanish speaking woman(didn't speak
any english) stop in and buy up all the baby formula with her stamps
when she left the store she got into a brand new ford expedition
i know the last one was a bit off topic,but it does speak volumes
as to what is wrong

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence