Don't Mock The Lady (Obama supporter w/the free phone)
Submitted by mdefarge on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 19:47It made me sad and also embarrassed for the Daily Paul to read some of the comments at the post: Lady supports Obama b/c he gave her a phone. "He gave us a phone he will do more." At issue was this video clip.
Fault Obama for trying to buy votes. Fault today's welfare system. Fault today's education system. Don't mock the lady. She was just grateful to have been given a free phone. And for those who alluded to socialism, do you think that woman took an Economics course or otherwise studied comparative economic or political systems? I know someone better-educated and very successful who, regarding the current Middle East debacle and prospect of WWIII, sent me an email ranting, "Kill the savages." Talk about ignorance. And meanwhile, this poorly educated woman is out there on the street trying to promote her man she sees as good, actively participating in the process. This other individual devotes himself to sports in his free time; although, on second thought, given what his views are, I guess that's a good thing.
It's obvious that the woman is poorly educated. There’s no need to highlight that fact. Think it might impinge on her ability to find employment? Can you think of a job for this woman with missing teeth and an inability to express herself very well? (I’m talking about a job that would still be here in America.) The cruel irony is that it's since LIBERALS took over America's education system that it's gone down the tubes - with African-Americans, in particular, affected by the negative consequences. Wake up, BLACK AMERICA! Wake up, AMERICA! Everyone is affected, both directly and/or indirectly.
Circumstances have gotten so bad that it could very well be the downfall of this nation. It's not just my personal opinion. It was the conclusion of "Tough Choices or Tough Times: The Report of the New Commission On the Skills of the American Workforce," published in 2007 by the National Center On Education And The Economy. It was prepared by a bi-partisan commission of "luminaries" from various walks of life including education, labor, and private business. If you’re interested, see who they are/read the Executive Summary here. It's "must reading" for anyone concerned about this country's future with respect to JOBS. Bottom line, they conclude that education today is fraught with so many problems, it warrants the dismantling of the whole system and starting from scratch. http://www.skillscommissi...
But the ECONOMY isn't the only area affected by the current set of circumstances. The situation is so dire as to have become an issue of NATIONAL SECURITY. Not that I necessarily agree with their recommendations, but that's the (obvious) conclusion of a more recent task force co-chaired by Condoleezza Rice and Joel Klein. Their analysis, published as "U.S. Education Reform and National Security" is available at http://www.cfr.org/united... Or check out the highlights in this Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sit...
And forgetting the level of skills of those who DO graduate high school, a full third of Americans don't even get that far. "A recent report from the Educational Testing Service (ETS) entitled "ONE THIRD OF A NATION" is one in a series of sobering assessments which underline the extent of the problem. For the nation as a whole, only about two-thirds of all students who enter 9th grade graduate with a regular diploma four years later. Among poor, black, and Latino youngsters, the likelihood that they will graduate is even smaller. In 2004, according to a report co-authored by the Urban Institute and the Civil Rights Project at Harvard University, ONLY 50 PERCENT OF BLACK STUDENTS, 51 PERCENT OF NATIVE AMERICANS, AND 53% OF HISPANICS GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. Among African-American, Hispanic, and Native American males, the rates are even lower. The public schools are intended as a ladder of opportunity..." [Emphasis mine.] What are the opportunities for 50% of blacks? 51% of native Americans? The largest-growing segment of the population, 53% of Hispanics? A third of all Americans? http://www.pew-partnershi...
Academically speaking, between the poor quality of education and the low graduation rate, America is at the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL compared to other industrialized nations, especially in math and science (where we rank 23rd and 31st, respectively) - that is, the subjects that everyone says is critical in our "technological age." Read: with a disappearing job market on account of, well, whatever you believe the cause (the money system, outsourcing, regulations, taxes, etc.), of the jobs that remain or new jobs created, that's where they'll be, related to Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math, otherwise known as STEM fields. http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...
Education is the responsibility of states - and I have no problem with FIRING everyone in the DOE. But regardless of one's political views, this IS a NATIONAL crisis. And NO presidential candidate has adequately addressed it. Whether or not one supports this idea, sorry to say but the solution is NOT a Band-Aid approach such as "vouchers." And NOR, Mssrs. Gingrich and Gates, is it more technology in classrooms at earlier and earlier grade levels including now kindergarten. Proven successful, technology-free private Waldorf K-8 elementary schools (worldwide) have proven just the opposite to be true. And NOR is it more money thrown at the problem. ALREADY the U.S. spends more per student than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY except Switzerland. http://mercatus.org/publi...)
We need to get to the source and root out the problem. And I'm with the "Tough Choices" group: it's time to START OVER. For those, including commenters on the original DP post, who resent paying for other people's living expenses or who are political idealists – or those motivated by the principle “give them a fish, they'll eat for a day, teach them to fish, they'll eat for a lifetime,” the onus is on them/us to help educate others as to how desperately we need genuine, meaningful reform. And blacks and Hispanics in particular need to be enlightened as to those responsible for the current MESS that would reduce some to fawning over a president and political party for giving them a one-time free phone - while continuing to preclude them from hope to be able to afford their own phone and that "more" they expect.
Here's an idea. Get a copy of "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning," by Abigail Thernstrom and Stephan Thernstrom. Probably not coincidentally, Abigail Therstrom was a member of the Massachusetts State Board of Education and a commissioner on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights - Massachusetts which has actually made some inroads. Get two copies, one for your local superintendent of schools and the other for your local chapter of the NAACP. Of course, everything is relative. As an article in The Atlantic points out:
"Compare US education data to the rest of the world.
Stanford economist Eric Hanushek and two colleagues recently conducted an experiment to answer just such questions, ranking American states and foreign countries side by side. Like our recruiter, they looked specifically at the best and brightest in each place—the kids most likely to get good jobs in the future—using scores on standardized math tests as a proxy for educational achievement.
We’ve known for some time how this story ends nationwide: only 6 percent of U.S. students perform at the advanced-proficiency level in math [Did you catch that? SIX PERCENT], a share that lags behind kids in some 30 other countries, from the United Kingdom to Taiwan. But what happens when we break down the results? Do any individual U.S. states wind up near the top?
Incredibly, no. Even if we treat each state as its own country, not a single one makes it into the top dozen contenders on the list. The best performer is Massachusetts, ringing in at No. 17. Minnesota also makes it into the upper-middle tier, followed by Vermont, New Jersey, and Washington. And down it goes from there, all the way to Mississippi, whose students—by this measure at least—might as well be attending school in Thailand or Serbia." http://www.theatlantic.co...
Hey, just for fun, check out how your state ranks in the scheme of things! http://www.theatlantic.co... I can at least boast that my state is on a par with the (pathetic) U.S. average.
I support leaving education as the responsibility of the states, as per the Constitution. (I do not, however, support the direction of the National Governors' Association towards adopting a national curriculum, or perhaps better stated, global curriculum. I'm all for national sovereignty and also the 50 experiments idea.) Nonetheless, given the sobering facts, whether concern for the loss of human potential and the effect on real life children, or regarding the solvency of this nation with respect to the economy, or analyzing the situation as to implications on our national security, it's necessary that the President of the United States be fully aware of the situation and willing and able to provide some much-needed leadership in the matter.
In debates, Romney will no doubt be touting where Massachusetts is #1 in the U.S. (failing to mention that our #1 state is behind Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Finland, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, the Czech Republic, Japan, Canada, Macao-China, Australia, Germany, and Austria). He'll likely also talk about "accountability" (failing to mention that more testing and all the rote drilling that teachers now do is not the same as genuine learning and developing traits that auger well for a child’s success). And Obama will talk about racial inequities and social justice (failing to mention that it was the progressives who reduced our once-fine system to shambles). He'll likely find one success story to highlight in terms of its dramatic "improvement" - and it's easy to tout high gains, statistically, if you're starting from a low a baseline! (failing to mention that, nationally, SAT scores just dropped... that is, just dropped again; or that "so called" reforms to close the racial divide haven't worked. http://www.insidehighered...). NO candidate will have any substantive ideas for what the United States can and must do to turn the situation around. What is needed is drastic reform, starting tomorrow.
So please, don't mock the lady, who is among millions in her situation who've been made promises and feels as she does. I'm somewhat reminded of the movie Bullworth when, freed to tell the truth, the senator addresses the black community and explains that the unfulfilled promises had just been campaign rhetoric designed to get their vote. (The clip is on YouTube, "A politician actually gives an "honest speech" for a change!" Viewer discretion advised.) When they express outrage, he laughs. "What are you going to do, vote Republican?" The same can be said for promises regarding education and mostly meaningless, drop-in-the-bucket reforms.
Whether for your children's or grandchildren's sake or for the country's sake as a whole, get yourself better educated on the far-reaching implications of our failed public school system. Then help to spread awareness. Just as the Republican Party has learned it can no longer take for granted the votes of more free-thinking libertarian-oriented conservatives, a more free-thinking black community must make it clear to Democrats that their votes can no longer be taken for granted. The video clip I'm looking forward to seeing is one in which that lady and others like her with the same conviction will speaking out to say, "Our vote can NOT be bought with a free phone. We deserve and demand better."
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This is so tragically sad...
This is so tragically sad...
I am crying :(
I am going have to to finally reveal my LOVE to someone I truly love.
This is it. And it is not about sex. It is about LOVE. Hugging. Having someone that understands you.
I was in the middle of having a little dinner and seeing this was just too much.
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I am so confused by your post
Good laugh though....Lol
Law and liberty cannot rationally become the objects of our love, unless they first become the objects of our knowledge.
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Can't and Won't
make judgements from crap like this. All I can say is go watch Charlotte Iserbyte's VERY informative video's on education in America and then decide how to comment to this stuff.
skippy
I'm sorry, but...
...have you ever tried to educate a person who thinks as this woman does? They don't want to listen to you and in many cases will use many forms of profanity to let you know that(somehow they know what those words mean). I feel bad that it has come to this and has touched every race in some form or another, but many do not want to listen...they enjoy the free ride given to them.
Assuming this is not a ruse
Assuming this is not a ruse Howard Stern should get this woman on his show and she could discuss politics and the Obamaphone with the Howard's crew.
For more entertainment there can be a round table discussion with Daniel Carver, Beetlejuice, and the "Oprah Winfrey, Negro woman from the south" woman. (Long-time Stern listeners remember these people.)
By the way, has CNET.com done a review of the Obamaphone yet?
Move to America
Move to America and get a free cell phone!
Move to Switzerland and get bullets... I could be wrong but I believe the Swiss gov provides an annual supply of bullets to it's citizens and requires or at least encorages certain citizens to own a firearm.. if you wanted to interpret our constitution to say you have the right to own anything, like some do by saying you have the right to own health insurance or a cell phone(lol). Using that logic it should be easy to argue that if we all have a constitutional right to health care than we definitely have a constitution right to own and bare arms so I want Obama to buy me a new gun. If it's all the same Mr. Pres than make it an AR-15. And with as mush as I payed in taxes last year you should be able to afford some decent optics. If that's out of the question I understand. Please advise where I can mail my outragous phone bill. And if you don't want to cover either that's understandable too. Just let me keep my paycheck, I'll buy my self a gun, pay my own phone bill, upgrade my health insurance plan to cover my son, and with what's left over I'll take my 12 year old to Disney Land since he's never been...
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Pounding on Elmers head saying ...
"I want an Easter egg ... I want an Easter egg ..."
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There is nothing wrong with calling
a spade a spade. In fact, it would be wrong not to. The problem will not begin to be corrected until we can state the obvious.
I think the people who are laughing at this video (and it IS funny) are not necessarily laughing at her personally, but generally at her ghetto culture, her mind boggling inability to think straight about anything, to know which end is up in any way, shape, or form, and her astounding unrefinement (and no ability to see that she is parading it so pathetically in front of the whole world,) and that she is allowed to vote, for pity's sake. It's the whole ludicrous situation (which involves an outworking of the idiot feds and their money). The video is a stark reminder that ideas have consequences, and that those consequences are so insanely awful as to be funny.
The blacks are not the only ones who are stuck in the ghetto of the mind. I know a nurse who worked at a medical clinic for the poor ignorant whites of the hills and hollers of the Kentucky Appalachians. The nurse prescribed birth control pills to a woman there. When the woman got tired of taking them, she gave them to her husband to take. Okay, you are laughing! Oh my, how terrible! You are laughing at an ignorant woman (it's okay to laugh if she's white?)! Oh, no! I am wringing my hands at how insensitive you are, how callous you are to be laughing at that, and that she is allowed to vote!
At least shes happy over a
At least shes happy over a harmless phone that never murdered anyone. Washington DC is filled with people who behave the same way over dropping bombs on innocent people. "I got more contract$! Show me the bomb$ and human hamburger meat! Keep obama or willard as president. We gonna get more!"
Why does Alex Jones insert a "submit to fear" subliminal message in his movies?
I have never liked
I have never liked abortion... If her parents are game.... after watching this video maybe retro active abortion would be okay...
Dear OP,Where to start ?
Dear OP,
Where to start ? I'm not sure, but I shall try to keep it short enough.
First off : see, I hear you.
See, I come from a socialist country where big government has replaced Liberty for decades, if not a century.
Where welfare and overwhelming taxation of the working middle class have made entrepreneurship sound almost like a synonym for bad, evil, greedy capitalism. By THOROUGH brainwashing.
Where self sustainability is DESPISED. Where RESPONSIBILITY has been replaced by hypocritical praise of redistribution of wealth thru taxes, on ANY "society issue" that calls for more sweat sucker BUREAUCRATS.
Where entitlements have replaced rights.
Where public servants get preferential loans from banks as opposed to workers in the private sector, because the former have a job security for life while the latter are in a daily rat race, always more insecure, on captive markets ruled by cronyists.
Where politicized unions in the public sector have the sole purpose of protecting the privileges of always more public servants.
I have lived 39 years there. I witnessed the DESTRUCTION of motivation, risk taking, and moral. I witnessed the ever increasing SELFISHNESS of everybody, precisely because of the almighty State that either makes the private sector carry an unbearable burden, or makes his servants craving always more bribes.
Some of my relatives on both sides of the Atlantic have been on welfare at some point while I haven't stopped working in 17 years in a row, getting absolutely nothing from the State, but sustaining it.
In that other thread I didn't mock that lady : rather, I found her disappointing and despicable.
Who in their sane mind and HONOR, self esteem, would be willing to accept such bribes for their vote, with any sense of what honest living means ? Not those of my relatives who never felt right to stay too dependent and too long on others.
This lady is not even funny. She indeed could know better.
She has chosen to be stupid and selfish, and granted, encouraged by her MASTER.
Please note I don't see her in a group, it is the individual I reject.
There is nothing wrong to be on welfare for a short period if the RIGGED system forces us on it.
There is everything wrong, IMO, to find it just and to encourage to develop it.
She WANTS to be a SLAVE and ACCOMPLICE. That is : a minion of the system she hopes will feed her.
And she is NOT honest enough to admit it.
I agree with most of what you say otherwise.
Peace.
My name's pronounced like "see real". Its root is "Lord".
"The demand of a great people is always at the scale of its most serious misfortunes." --De Gaulle
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You have gotta be kidding me.
You have gotta be kidding me. That woman is a disgrace to humanity.
The BIG issue behind this video...
Is NOT just the general ignorance of our voting population due to the establishment indoctrination system, and the continued mainstream media mass mind manipulation. But rather the fact that even many of the people involved in this liberty movement fail to see that this video also contains the hidden aspect of corporate welfare being imposed upon the population.
We can consider this a double whammy upon the unsuspecting (yes) taxpayer. Though the funding for the "free phone" hoodwink is done via a little extra charge to all cell phone users, of which I do not happen to be one, we can call it whatever we like...it is still a tax.
Oh how the corporate telecommunication companies must have lobbied congress making this sound like some major benevolent government induced and enforced form of charity that would be so wonderful and benefit so many. Yeah. That's right. Including their bottom line and their share holders.
Now, I have absolutely nothing against charity in it's purist form as when we take cans of food to the local food cupboard or donate to one of the local organizations that I know use the money to directly help members of our community. But THIS. This is cut and dried redistribution of the wealth. And the sad part is, some of it is going to corporate welfare, which is something I have no tolerance for at all. That is something that goes against the grain of real free market capitalism and leans more towards the real problem in this country of crony capitalism.
So it's not all about this lady, or even Obama, who by the way did not initiate this particular program, though he has endorsed it and promoted it rather heavily through television advertisements. Lord knows we have people of this particular caliber supporting the other flip-flopping criminal liar for other reasons just as politicized and unconstitutional. But lets not go there for now.
I circulated this video to a few people on my mailing list because I happened to catch it on a local evening news program. It did stir some debate from the many who bothered to reply. Which to me is always a good thing, because it makes people think.
But NO...do not blame this poor woman or mock her.
It is not her fault that our free republic is being destroyed.
I know exactly who is to blame. And I see that person every morning when I look in the mirror.
Now....THINK on that one for a while.
RON PAUL or NOT AT ALL
This lady
is a waste of space...
For those who continue to judge...
What would Ron Paul say or do about this video?
Would he MOCK or would he EDUCATE?
Mdefarge, I think Ron Paul enjoyed your post. :)
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Benjamin Franklin and Thomas
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson both understood occasional mockery to be a powerful tool for changing minds among a culture soft on intellect and sensitive to belonging among the collective.
If there is ever a situation where mocking is appropriate
it has to be when someone publicly cheers receiving government welfare, is excited and proud of their own ignorance and dependence, and stands on the street with signs and chants that encourage others to join and support their parasitism.
By the way, Ron Paul has let it rip before on people. I loved it when he called the kid fat on the Morton Downey Jr. show.
Having worked in the public
Having worked in the public education system for a career, and in an inner city environment to boot, I know women like this. She is by no means atypical.
The public educations system in every inner city community that I know of is indeed broken beyond repair. Typically, conservatives point to teacher's unions as the prime culprits and demand accountability as the solution. As with most typical conservative solutions, this one largely misses the mark.
It has been my experience that, for the most part, teachers are competent and that most enter the profession enthusiastic and ready to roll. The system changes this mindset quickly. Many enthusiastic professionals figure out that they cannot be successful in the system and quickly leave it, either to a "safer" suburban district or they leave the profession completely.
This is not to say that there are not horrible teachers, and that administrators are not often hamstrung in their ability to remove them. That happens, and it is a problem, but it is peripheral to the central one, which is this - inner city public education systems in this country are largely hamstrung by state rules, and those state rules largely develop in response to federal mandates tied to state funding. Much of this is the responsibility of liberal public education advocates, sure, but much of it, and I might even argue the bulk of the current problem is the direct result of that grand conservative solution, NCLB.
Thanks to NCLB these schools have become "teach to the test" factories. Most don't understand why. It's simply a matter of survival. Well meaning conservative accountability solutions require that when students don't perform, teachers and administrators be punished. In worst case scenarios, good educators are threatened with job loss.
What few conservatives appreciate is that inner city kids come to school facing challenges that few of us can relate to. Their own parents often don't value education themselves. They are not partners with the schools in the education of their kids, they are adversaries. Kids from these backgrounds start school unprepared, miss way too many days of school, aren't encouraged to do homework.
These kids live in communities where there are few role models who achieved success through education. They look around and rationally conclude that there is nothing that school can offer them. At that point they disengage, and often drop out. Try teaching math to a kid in this mindset. Good luck. Now imagine that your job depends upon that kid passing an accountability test. Whatcha gonna do?
Inner city public schools fail because their goals are misaligned with what is important to their "customers". Preparation for higher education is the goal of all K12 schools, suburban as well as inner city, but these kids are worried not about getting into college but about what they'll be doing after high school. Inner city public schools fail because they don't - they can't as presently constituted - HELP KiDS FIGURE OUT THEIR FUTURE!
The mindset of these kids is difficult for most of us to understand, but it is rational. I have heard of kids who could easily graduate on time that fail classes on purpose, so as to be able to stay in school (and in their mother's subsidized housing) another year. Their reality is far, far different from most of ours.
John Taylor Gatto has written extensively about this, and I recommend any of his books as a great place to start for anyone interested in understanding the core of the problem.
A completely locally controlled inner city public school, released from binding state and federal mandates and led by dedicated educators can work, and in fact DO work when allowed to exist (charter schools), but this solution threatens the education establishment and will never be allowed to occur on a large scale.
Bottom line - the system is indeed horribly broken, has been for decades, conservative solutions like NCLB are making the problems worse, and until folks are willing to face reality the system will continue to deteriorate.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
That was a very thoughtful post
I am not a teacher but everything you said pretty much was my guess as to how things are. It can't be easy to teach to students who don't want to learn. And it's understandable for the children to take cues from their parents regarding the importance (or lack thereof) of education. And of course, that has to be demoralizing to (otherwise well-meaning) teachers.
I know Lew Rockwell has mentioned that there is a series of John Taylor Gatto speeches on education but I'm not sure what he's referring to.
Parents who want the best
Parents who want the best educations for their kids really should explore what Gatto has to say. The man taught in the NYC public system for years, was even named teacher of the year, then famously resigned with a letter published in the WSJ:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/prologue2.htm
Public (and most private) education today is far, far inferior to what is possible, and far different from how the great minds of the past were educated. I happen to be traveling in Italy, and am in Florence at the moment. Wherever you look in Florence you are astounded by the incredible art. It's everywhere, and it's an unbelievable testament to what humans can do.
How was it possible that, 5 or 6 centuries ago humans were able to manually produce such art? It comes from many, many hours spent learning the techniques as apprentices, combined with human passion. It only comes from self motivated artists, producing art not to just make a living, but because it is a chosen passion.
THIS is what I mean when I say that schools today fail to help kids figure out their futures. Yes, parents should be the first to take this step, but what about those kids with parents like the Obama phone woman?
I don't care who you are or what you plan to do with your life, you can find meaning and happiness in many lines of work. Schools should be helping kids figure out their passions, and then guiding their learning within that passion.
Heck, being a great plumber or auto mechanic can be just as rewarding and life fulfilling as being a great scientist.
The cookie cutter education our schools present today is mind numbing. As Gatto writes, if we were trying to create the worst form of education possible we'd be hard pressed to come up with anything better than our current system.
Our present system is sooooo horribly different from what schools should be that it's practically impossible to see how it's changed en masse.
Today, and probably for well into the future, an excellent education for one's kids has to come from a choice made by an awakened parent.
Unfortunately, the Obama phone lady's kids are completely screwed.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
Thank you
Thanks for pointing that out. I had been thinking all day that our system has gone so far in the wrong direction that we have now created people like this. Ask yourself as you watch the video: is this the way a human being was meant to be? I, for one, don't think that this woman represents the product of civilized humanity. I don't believe that anyone is born that way. In many ways, she is a victim; she is the product of de-humanizing, failed policy. She is what happens when people are prevented their entire lives from the reality that sustenance of one's life requires productive work. There is, however, a critical difference between blaming poverty, education or whatever the bleeding hearts have taught us to blame and blaming the cause of those problems: the very state that put presumes to help people like her.
Remember, it's not just that the welfare state is unfair to productive citizens. It also has an unfair, de-humanizing impact on the recipients of the welfare.
Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!
Sorry guys!
I want an Obama-Phone! :)
(Or is it Obamaphone?)
"We're going to take the government out of your bedroom, your bloodstream, your brain, your bladder, your business, your billfold, your back pockets, your bingo halls and your Internet bulletin boards." -Gatewood Galbraith
Ring ring ring! Obamaphone!
Ring ring ring! Obamaphone! haha
That's spelled Obamaphoney
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Well written post and I
Well written post and I couldn't agree more. The economic conditions that this woman and many others find themselves in recently are a direct result of government policies that discourage capitalism and economic growth. And instead of addressing these issues, bureaucrats are more than happy to encourage government dependency among the victims of the economic collapse. I'm sure if this woman had a decent education and good job, she would be happy to pay for her own phone. By the way, I've seen the phones that she is referring to and they are as low-grade as you can find, but at least you can make calls on them.
The argument you are using is
The argument you are using is called "a veil of ignorance." This is a prominent argument used by the DNC and its apologists to support class warfare, welfare, Dept of Ed, gun control, foreign intervention, health mandates, social security and more. "We need to take care of people because we know what's best for them, and clearly they are stupid hicks that don't know any better."
It's an arrogant argument, and completely antithetical to liberty.
You both deserve mocking. Her for stupidity.
You for trying to excuse it.
She's an adult.
Her life is her responsibility.
If she is too stupid to understand the implications of what she is saying, then by all means - educate her, but don't excuse her.
It's one thing to not be taught.
It's quite another to willfully remain ignorant.
I understand the mindset of "not knowing you need to know something."
But that doesn't absolve her of the responsibility to make that realization, and then remedying the situation.
Who are you to judge ????
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain
That comment makes no sense in this context.
Where am I judging?
If you read carefully, you'll see I was doing just the opposite.