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Don't Mock The Lady (Obama supporter w/the free phone)

It made me sad and also embarrassed for the Daily Paul to read some of the comments at the post: Lady supports Obama b/c he gave her a phone. "He gave us a phone he will do more." At issue was this video clip.

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

Fault Obama for trying to buy votes. Fault today's welfare system. Fault today's education system. Don't mock the lady. She was just grateful to have been given a free phone. And for those who alluded to socialism, do you think that woman took an Economics course or otherwise studied comparative economic or political systems? I know someone better-educated and very successful who, regarding the current Middle East debacle and prospect of WWIII, sent me an email ranting, "Kill the savages." Talk about ignorance. And meanwhile, this poorly educated woman is out there on the street trying to promote her man she sees as good, actively participating in the process. This other individual devotes himself to sports in his free time; although, on second thought, given what his views are, I guess that's a good thing.

It's obvious that the woman is poorly educated. There’s no need to highlight that fact. Think it might impinge on her ability to find employment? Can you think of a job for this woman with missing teeth and an inability to express herself very well? (I’m talking about a job that would still be here in America.) The cruel irony is that it's since LIBERALS took over America's education system that it's gone down the tubes - with African-Americans, in particular, affected by the negative consequences. Wake up, BLACK AMERICA! Wake up, AMERICA! Everyone is affected, both directly and/or indirectly.

Circumstances have gotten so bad that it could very well be the downfall of this nation. It's not just my personal opinion. It was the conclusion of "Tough Choices or Tough Times: The Report of the New Commission On the Skills of the American Workforce," published in 2007 by the National Center On Education And The Economy. It was prepared by a bi-partisan commission of "luminaries" from various walks of life including education, labor, and private business. If you’re interested, see who they are/read the Executive Summary here. It's "must reading" for anyone concerned about this country's future with respect to JOBS. Bottom line, they conclude that education today is fraught with so many problems, it warrants the dismantling of the whole system and starting from scratch. http://www.skillscommissi...

But the ECONOMY isn't the only area affected by the current set of circumstances. The situation is so dire as to have become an issue of NATIONAL SECURITY. Not that I necessarily agree with their recommendations, but that's the (obvious) conclusion of a more recent task force co-chaired by Condoleezza Rice and Joel Klein. Their analysis, published as "U.S. Education Reform and National Security" is available at http://www.cfr.org/united... Or check out the highlights in this Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sit...

And forgetting the level of skills of those who DO graduate high school, a full third of Americans don't even get that far. "A recent report from the Educational Testing Service (ETS) entitled "ONE THIRD OF A NATION" is one in a series of sobering assessments which underline the extent of the problem. For the nation as a whole, only about two-thirds of all students who enter 9th grade graduate with a regular diploma four years later. Among poor, black, and Latino youngsters, the likelihood that they will graduate is even smaller. In 2004, according to a report co-authored by the Urban Institute and the Civil Rights Project at Harvard University, ONLY 50 PERCENT OF BLACK STUDENTS, 51 PERCENT OF NATIVE AMERICANS, AND 53% OF HISPANICS GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. Among African-American, Hispanic, and Native American males, the rates are even lower. The public schools are intended as a ladder of opportunity..." [Emphasis mine.] What are the opportunities for 50% of blacks? 51% of native Americans? The largest-growing segment of the population, 53% of Hispanics? A third of all Americans? http://www.pew-partnershi...

Academically speaking, between the poor quality of education and the low graduation rate, America is at the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL compared to other industrialized nations, especially in math and science (where we rank 23rd and 31st, respectively) - that is, the subjects that everyone says is critical in our "technological age." Read: with a disappearing job market on account of, well, whatever you believe the cause (the money system, outsourcing, regulations, taxes, etc.), of the jobs that remain or new jobs created, that's where they'll be, related to Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math, otherwise known as STEM fields. http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...

Education is the responsibility of states - and I have no problem with FIRING everyone in the DOE. But regardless of one's political views, this IS a NATIONAL crisis. And NO presidential candidate has adequately addressed it. Whether or not one supports this idea, sorry to say but the solution is NOT a Band-Aid approach such as "vouchers." And NOR, Mssrs. Gingrich and Gates, is it more technology in classrooms at earlier and earlier grade levels including now kindergarten. Proven successful, technology-free private Waldorf K-8 elementary schools (worldwide) have proven just the opposite to be true. And NOR is it more money thrown at the problem. ALREADY the U.S. spends more per student than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY except Switzerland. http://mercatus.org/publi...)

We need to get to the source and root out the problem. And I'm with the "Tough Choices" group: it's time to START OVER. For those, including commenters on the original DP post, who resent paying for other people's living expenses or who are political idealists – or those motivated by the principle “give them a fish, they'll eat for a day, teach them to fish, they'll eat for a lifetime,” the onus is on them/us to help educate others as to how desperately we need genuine, meaningful reform. And blacks and Hispanics in particular need to be enlightened as to those responsible for the current MESS that would reduce some to fawning over a president and political party for giving them a one-time free phone - while continuing to preclude them from hope to be able to afford their own phone and that "more" they expect.

Here's an idea. Get a copy of "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning," by Abigail Thernstrom and Stephan Thernstrom. Probably not coincidentally, Abigail Therstrom was a member of the Massachusetts State Board of Education and a commissioner on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights - Massachusetts which has actually made some inroads. Get two copies, one for your local superintendent of schools and the other for your local chapter of the NAACP. Of course, everything is relative. As an article in The Atlantic points out:

"Compare US education data to the rest of the world.

Stanford economist Eric Hanushek and two colleagues recently conducted an experiment to answer just such questions, ranking American states and foreign countries side by side. Like our recruiter, they looked specifically at the best and brightest in each place—the kids most likely to get good jobs in the future—using scores on standardized math tests as a proxy for educational achievement.

We’ve known for some time how this story ends nationwide: only 6 percent of U.S. students perform at the advanced-proficiency level in math [Did you catch that? SIX PERCENT], a share that lags behind kids in some 30 other countries, from the United Kingdom to Taiwan. But what happens when we break down the results? Do any individual U.S. states wind up near the top?

Incredibly, no. Even if we treat each state as its own country, not a single one makes it into the top dozen contenders on the list. The best performer is Massachusetts, ringing in at No. 17. Minnesota also makes it into the upper-middle tier, followed by Vermont, New Jersey, and Washington. And down it goes from there, all the way to Mississippi, whose students—by this measure at least—might as well be attending school in Thailand or Serbia." http://www.theatlantic.co...

Hey, just for fun, check out how your state ranks in the scheme of things! http://www.theatlantic.co... I can at least boast that my state is on a par with the (pathetic) U.S. average.

I support leaving education as the responsibility of the states, as per the Constitution. (I do not, however, support the direction of the National Governors' Association towards adopting a national curriculum, or perhaps better stated, global curriculum. I'm all for national sovereignty and also the 50 experiments idea.) Nonetheless, given the sobering facts, whether concern for the loss of human potential and the effect on real life children, or regarding the solvency of this nation with respect to the economy, or analyzing the situation as to implications on our national security, it's necessary that the President of the United States be fully aware of the situation and willing and able to provide some much-needed leadership in the matter.

In debates, Romney will no doubt be touting where Massachusetts is #1 in the U.S. (failing to mention that our #1 state is behind Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Finland, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, the Czech Republic, Japan, Canada, Macao-China, Australia, Germany, and Austria). He'll likely also talk about "accountability" (failing to mention that more testing and all the rote drilling that teachers now do is not the same as genuine learning and developing traits that auger well for a child’s success). And Obama will talk about racial inequities and social justice (failing to mention that it was the progressives who reduced our once-fine system to shambles). He'll likely find one success story to highlight in terms of its dramatic "improvement" - and it's easy to tout high gains, statistically, if you're starting from a low a baseline! (failing to mention that, nationally, SAT scores just dropped... that is, just dropped again; or that "so called" reforms to close the racial divide haven't worked. http://www.insidehighered...). NO candidate will have any substantive ideas for what the United States can and must do to turn the situation around. What is needed is drastic reform, starting tomorrow.

So please, don't mock the lady, who is among millions in her situation who've been made promises and feels as she does. I'm somewhat reminded of the movie Bullworth when, freed to tell the truth, the senator addresses the black community and explains that the unfulfilled promises had just been campaign rhetoric designed to get their vote. (The clip is on YouTube, "A politician actually gives an "honest speech" for a change!" Viewer discretion advised.) When they express outrage, he laughs. "What are you going to do, vote Republican?" The same can be said for promises regarding education and mostly meaningless, drop-in-the-bucket reforms.

Whether for your children's or grandchildren's sake or for the country's sake as a whole, get yourself better educated on the far-reaching implications of our failed public school system. Then help to spread awareness. Just as the Republican Party has learned it can no longer take for granted the votes of more free-thinking libertarian-oriented conservatives, a more free-thinking black community must make it clear to Democrats that their votes can no longer be taken for granted. The video clip I'm looking forward to seeing is one in which that lady and others like her with the same conviction will speaking out to say, "Our vote can NOT be bought with a free phone. We deserve and demand better."



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Who are you to judge? Who

Who are you to judge? Who are you to question another individual for making his own comment?

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Totally agree. The writer is

Totally agree. The writer is doing the same thing rich white liberals do which is pretending to be someone's savior. The relay is, this woman is a free and independent adult responsible for her own decisions.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

I'll mock her. And I'll mock YOU

She sells her vote for a cell phone, paid for with money extorted from the taxpayers. She is a receiver of stolen goods and a whore.

You sell your vote for whatever politician promises a "good education" for your children, paid for with money extorted from the taxpayers. [You are too.]

Show me the part of the Constitution that says education is the responsibility of GOVERNMENT -- state or federal?

State for me the moral principle which justifies taking money from childless and homeschooling taxpayers to pay for the education of other people's children in government schools?

When parents bring a child into the world, educating it is THEIR responsibility -- not their neighbors', not the state's and not the taxpayers'. Parents who can't fulfill that responsibility shouldn't be having children. You wonder why most children grow up brain-dead? Obvious answer: the twelve-year government program of obedience training we subject them to. Government is the worst way to do EVERYTHING. Giving your child to them is something worse than child abuse: it's a deliberate maiming of his/her mind.

Too bad The Atlantic doesn't have a score for homeschooled kids on their graph.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

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Somehow sense you are not a parent.

I homeschooled my two, but every homeschool family faces considerable hurdles and concerns about their children's safety from CPS. Depending on the state of residence, there are many regulations, forms to submit, proofs of qualification to offer, proof of educational activities etc.

Homeschooling is not for the faint-hearted on any level, and most people in this country clearly are not up to it due to their learned obedience to all authorities. It is outside the conceptual realm even of most relatively well educated folk, that's why most parents accept the inhumane and substandard fare served up by school Nazis.

Blaming this one individual for not bucking the entire culture pervading this country is harsh. Yes we can say all voters for the 2 Parties are to blame, yes all parents who give up their kids to school imprisionment are to blame. Yes all public school teachers and their union baggage are to blame.

Training your ire on one unfortunate and predictable product of the system is just taking potshots at the easy targets.

Well taken points.

1. You're right that I'm not a parent, but I did volunteer to do a parent's job. I have a nephew I'm fond of; his father died when he was about 10. He started doing badly in school, the school demanded that he take drugs for ADD -- and I asked his mother to let me homeschool him. She declined, started giving him the drugs, and sent him first to a "good" public school, then to a military-academy. Eventually he dropped out of high school, got a girl pregnant, and now mooches off his mother and mother-in-law. Stoned, most of the time. So I have a problem with parents who think sending a kid to government school fulfills their parental obligations. No doubt I still feel guilty for not being persuasive enough, and I sometimes take it out on people whose only sin is not having a clue. Mea culpa.

2. Homeschooling, unschooling and private schooling are all infinitely better options than government schooling. You have my utmost respect for taking the hardest road. How'd your kids turn out?

3. There's lots of blame to spread around, but the core of it is the issue I raised: seeing that children are well educated and that they turn into self-responsible adults is a parent's responsibility, and no one else's. Parents bring a child into the world helpless and ignorant. By so doing, the parents acquire two debts: one to the child, and one to the world. They owe the child the knowledge he will need to understand how the world works, and to earn his own way in it. They owe the world the courtesy of NOT releasing a dangerous, uncivilized animal among them. Parents who raise a child to believe that violence and theft are a good way to get the things he wants might as well be raising rattlesnakes and turning them loose around town. (And naming the violence and theft "government" does NOT make it acceptable.)

That's something a lot of parents don't seem to "get." They think giving the kid whatever edjamacation that the law requires is all they need to do. I find that . . . irritating.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

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Thanks dabooda, a child's development

all the way through the teens is so risky in this culture that attacks both parents and children, preferring to funnel all kids through the narrow parameters of official "experts." I am so sorry your nephew slipped through your loving efforts to support him at a fragile stage. The medical monopoly is terribly complicit in pushing drugs, and in ineffectually addressing those who get hooked.

Thanks for asking, my kids are doing well, both in the careers of their choice, both independent. But a parent seldom rests easy; even in young adulthood there are so many snares along the way. And then the grandkids come and it starts all over again.

I share your distress at the absence of responsibility we see all too commonly. Perhaps you've listened to Molyneaux on humane parenting? He is doing much good; I do expect the Liberty community to make a significant impact. The concept of honoring the Nonaggression Principle in raising kids is radically revolutionary.

Im a parent.

And I think Dabooda's comment is spot on.

I hope

Your children never deviate from your standard. You will be disappointed. People are not here to live up to your expectations. EGO get over it.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Wrongo.

I'm childless, and my little rant here was not about laying out standards for children to follow. I said parents are responsible for their children's education. It's true that there's no "law" that says a parent has to do anything more than turn his kid over to the government school system for twelve years. But a parent's moral obligation to his child DOES require something more. (See my reply to Reed3V above.) Those who don't think so are -- scum. It's true, they don't have to live up to my expectations; they only have to live with my contempt.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Hypocrite, you're doing the

Hypocrite, you're doing the same thing.

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Romney Calculators?

Ummm.... No, I think I'll keep mocking her.

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Voltaire

So the person who supports

So the person who supports the government forcefully taking money from the working people to turn around and give it to themselves are not at fault?

I read as much of your post as I could take.... I've owned homes all my life. I never had kids and have paid a huge portion of my property tax to educate others kids. Now I have to pay to supply them with phones because they didn't get an education?

This lady is fit enough to stand on a corner talking dribble she could certainly be doing something to earn her free ride. Most governments (local, state, county, city) pay government works a high wage to cut grass and empty garbage cans. She surely could handle cutting grass? Meanwhile I cut my own grass, pay for my phone, and pay to educate kids I will never have (BTW I don't afford myself the luxury of a cell phone a land line works just fine). Maybe that line of thinking is why I have never had a mortgage.

good post

I love the perspectives you guys come up with.

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"Responsibility?"

"Education is the responsibility of states"

I beg to differ. Educating children is the responsibility of the people who bred them. Now, I have no problem with a school board, as long as it's kept local. People can get together, pool their resources, build schools, and hire competent teachers (if there are any left); the point is, that's not the state or US Government's place. When I wan in about fifth grade, my folks let me tag along to the local school board meeting (Glen Lake Elem, Minnesota) and I saw them actually vote on and pass an assessment on themselves for books and classrooms ("brick and mortar building money") and the closest thing to government that was involved was the School Board, which consisted of about a dozen people. Of course, if I'd had the presense of mind at the time, I'd have asked, "Shouldn't the assessment be proportional to the number of kids each family has in the schools?" But I was 9 years old.

Actually, ALL of the schools should be privatized, but I'm preaching to the choir on that one!

Freedom is my Worship Word!

I wasn't stating my personal opinion of who should

be responsible. The Constitution dictates who is *not* responsible: the federal government. From there, that leaves it to the state and people. As mentioned in a comment below, ultimately parents are responsible for educating their children. But based on U.S.Supreme Court decisions, children must have some minimum education; for example, parents would only be legally allowed to home-school if states were allowed to set certain standards.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Exactly. Parents

Exactly. Parents responsibility.

Great post.

I recall my first tea party. Grassroots. BEFORE the gop/Rand co-opting. Very reactionary. Great speakers. Great signs (Gadsdens, Ron Paul and End The Fed). Empowering.

Of course, nearby, you could hear a mindless chant attempting to drown out the patient speakers. "O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma!" Yup, his minions were out. Wolves prowling in packs. Agitating.

The Tea Party began marching through the streets. "U.S.A., U.S.A." Camera phones up. SEEKING a confrontation, I DELIBERATELY marched straight into the Obama chanters. What I then came face to face with... broke my heart.

An individual, much like the woman in the above video. VACUOUS eyes. Slurred, slobbering, toothless. In that moment, my American heart melted and the only thing my soul allowed me to scream was "Brother... we're doing this for YOU TOO."

I will NEVER forget that moment or that face. Ever. In that face, I saw myself. I saw my family. My friends. I saw a government-dependent nation. IN AN INSTANT, I realized just WHO the real "enemy" was. THE GOVERNMENT-CRACKHEAD IS NOT THE PROBLEM! The government-crack DEALER IS! NEVER forget that.

For every "Obama" video like this we want to giggle at or shake your fists at... I give you this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrIDHNqUTPM

Who more fittingly deserves ridicule?

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

"toothless?"

Please don't use toothlessness to characterize people. I'm practically toothless at age 63, primarily because (1) I can't afford to go to the dentist, and (2) I avoid dentistry because it hurts. I'm a Veteran, so I went to the VA when I needed a tooth extracted, and I swear the novocain needle hurt more than if they'd just yanked it out.

But I don't stand in the streets yelling and screaming and demanding GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!

Why are those fat black women always so damned LOUD?

Freedom is my Worship Word!

Tell ya what...

as you're an elder to me, I'll retract "toothless" if you retract "loud." The liberty movement could ALWAYS USE a "fat, black, damn loud women!" All we need to do is open her eyes, and maybe her voice could be screaming on OUR side!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

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The internet is an invaluable resource,

don't rely on orthodox medical people: http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

we have a tough

road ahead of us guys. It's not going to be easy to change the minds that of been indoctrinated to this level. And there are millions more and those numbers are growing. I don't even blame individuals like her anymore. Another product of collectivism and statism.

Sorry, you are wrong

"Education is the responsibility of states"?

No, it is not. Education is the the parents' responsibility. Whether they choose home schooling, a church school, a private school, or (God forbid) a government school at the state level, it is the parent's responsibility to educate their children, not the State's.

At the most, the only legitimate function of government is to protect life, liberty, and property. It is not to educate, nor to have ANY say in what is taught to children - especially when it propagandizes children in issues of morality, history, religion, economics, politics, etc.

Additionally, this video illustrates the dangers of democracy. The intentional dumbing-down of the populace as whole, and the electorate as a subset, creates an environment where our "leaders" are elected by virtual idiots who do not realize that their "choice" is no choice at all, and that by electing the majority candidate, we are screwed either way.

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My main point in saying what I did re federal

vs. state was to stress that education was not within the jurisdiction of the federal government. That's not the case for many other countries, but it is here, as per the Constitution. (It riles me when people show a pie chart with little allocated to education vs. defense. A) Technically, there should be NO federal funds allocated to education. B) What federal funds there are is hardly the amount we spend on education!) I thank you for clarifying that, ultimately, parents are responsible for their children's education. But bear in mind there's a difference between what should be the case and what is. Via legal decisions or legislation, one or another government body (at the state or local level) does have responsibility for certain aspects of education - although there are legal debates over such issues! For instance, while parents in all states can choose to home-school their children, as noted in wikipedia, "United States Supreme Court precedent appears to favor educational choice, so long as states may set standards for educational accomplishment." Also, all residents contribute to education costs, not just parents, on the grounds that we need educated citizens for society to function; all benefit from that.

And so, for better or worse, at some point part of the responsibility for education was delegated to government, at least ostensibly, in order to ensure that all children had the opportunity to receive a education. States set standards and do use tax monies, in theory, to go to poorer schools that cannot fund the basics. (In reality, top schools also receive funding, "if" they do certain things.) But funding is primarily at the district level, in effect, residents pooling their funds to provide for group instruction. Certain curriculum decisions are also made at the local level.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

People need to stop blaming the public school system

Public schools (of course) are inefficient and suffer the consequences of centralization, but this woman's stupidity and ignorance has nothing to do with public schools. NOTHING. There is no doubt this woman sat in the classroom of multiple strong and caring teachers throughout the years. She had the opportunity for knowledge and success. She willfully chose stupidity and ignorance. Blaming public schools for this woman's ignorance is intellectual laziness. Every single public school teacher (even the substitutes) are college graduates. They all value, at least to a certain extent, knowledge and education. No public school teacher taught this woman to be stupid.

My parents, who are both retired high school teachers, sent us to private schools not to escape the teachers or the public school curricula, but to ESCAPE THE OTHER STUDENTS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL. This is a reflection of our society, as many students are basically hopeless cases regardless of the education they receive. They grow up in cultures and households that cherish ignorance and mock educated society.

This woman should be made fun of. She should be publicly humiliated and mocked for her attitude toward society. It used to be shameful for a family to accept welfare, now it is celebrated and expected! It used to be embarrassing to be illiterate and ignorant, now it is real and cool in her culture (and I just don't mean inner-city blacks, as all races have people of this mindset). It is shameful. How will she know (and the people protesting with her) know that they should be ashamed if no one tells them?

Yes

That was Ron Pauls philosophy. Making fun of people. Public humiliation. Did you miss something ??? BTW your pic makes you look like you work for BOA. Do you? Just curious.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Please don't hide behind Ron Paul

as you lecture others, and then turn around and do the very same thing yourself. Your comment was an attempt to "humiliate" Mark by linking him with BOA, (based solely on what he's wearing in a photo) insinuating that he's a banker and therefore his opinion is somehow suspect. That's the kind of trick used by someone who can't argue their point, and is pretty disappointing coming from you.

My guess is that his photo was taken at a wedding, since he's wearing a boutonniere.

Public Schools?

Please call them what they are: Government Schools. "Public" school sounds innocuous, when they are in fact dangerous. Kids are at risk academically, morally, physically, spiritually, etc. Any parent that sends their kids to a government school is setting them up to fail. The best thing that can be done for any kid is to be removed from a government school.

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Not necessarily.

I certainly do not agree with the nationalization of education, though I am not opposed to local schools (which still exist to a degree.) Even though I agree with your premise about government schools I do not agree with your statement. You are fear-mongering.

I went to a private Catholic high school and I wasted hours and hours listening to religious doctrine and sitting in mass. That aspect was certainly not any better than what the public schools are teaching.

The way I interpreted your comment is like "government hospitals are dangerous, so the best thing to do is pull your kids out of government hospital as soon as possible." That is a very exaggerated position.