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Jack Hunter hates Conspiracy Theorists and wants them purged

I think Jack Hunter is on a personal crusade against the conspiratorial elements of our movement. Of course Jack goes against the weakest link in the conspiracy chain, the movie 2016, to launch a tirade of straw man arguments against Conspiracy Theorists as a whole.

Says Jack Hunter:

"Tracey is criticizing Romney who apparently has been sprinkling his speeches with some of this D’Souza-esque conspiracy nonsense, sort of like when Donald Trump jumped on the Birther bandwagon–cheap, desperate and tacky.

The dangers posed by President Obama are a healthcare boondoggle that will make an already broken (in cost and in function) entitlement system far worse, his anti-business policies, assaults on civil liberties and the Constitution, a propensity for mindless war similar to his predecessor and his general lovefest with big government-New Deal statism. This is not secret. It is read about, debated and discussed each day, out in the open, everywhere from cable news to individual blogs.

But for many, no, there has to be something extra sinister about Obama, he is some sort of secret Kenyan Muslim Marxist trained by al-Qaeda, or whatever D’Souza can imagine next.

D’Souza’s film has done well. No surprise. There has always been a huge market for this stuff. Go look at many of the conspiracy theory videos on You Tube and plenty of them have thousands upon thousand of views. The dumbest ones often get the biggest audience.

This is because it’s easy. It’s salacious. It’s much more fun or sexy than talking about tax rates or NATO. Even when delving into things cerebral, the goofiest ideas can get far more attention than those more intellectually serious. If Austrian economics is The Godfather or Dr. Zhivago of intellectual pursuits, conspiracy theories are Honey Boo-Boo."

So, the more views a video gets on Youtube, the stupider the audience. Alex Jones has fought to keep the Obama Deception, Fall of the Republic and Endgame up on Youtube. This fight is a losing battle for Jones, but apparently, Jones' audience are idiots. As we speak, Endgame has 2,729,081 views with 16,126 likes and 737 dislikes. Guess this video is super stupid Jack even though it has an online bibliography. Thanks, you get a reward for the largest straw man ever constructed. Since I believe the information in Endgame (I confirmed a lot of it independently before I ever watched the movie), I guess I am an idiot.

In your intense hatred for those who think people in the government are evil and talk to each other in secret, you have missed the entire point about 'conspiracy theories'. I remember one time when talking about the Federal Reserve was a conspiracy theory. On who's back was the mainstream acceptance of the Fed built on? Obviously, not you Jack. You abhor people talking about government officials 'conspiring' behind close doors in secrecy. We should never talk about the Federal Reserve. To you, such talk is to be regulated to the 'lowest common denominator'.

Obviously, or elected officials are just bumbling fools who mean well. They do not conspire to rob us of our liberties. Nah, they just think passing the Patriot Act was to get the terrorist. The TSA, honest mistake, no conspiracy to rob the American people of more liberty there. In Jack's world, if you connect even two dots, you are a conspiracy theorist who must be purged from the liberty movement.

When does any of the seminal films, Endgame, America: Freedom to Fascism, Fall of the Republic, or the Obama Deception fall into the 'lowest common denominator' factor? They have 'millions' of views Jack so they must be just like 2016. The answer is they do not. You conflating 2016 with other 'Youtube documentaries' our movement has produced in order to discredit them is a disgrace! I hope Tucker Carlson is proud of your latest antics.

You told us in your screed against We Are Change that you would talk to anyone ranging from the Daily Paul to 'CNN'. How about you answer this? Else, you are losing credibility.

You can read the entire post at the Southern Avenger's blog:
http://www.southernavenger.com/uncategorized/conspiracy-theo...

The Endgame online bibliography which was created just in case people like Jack Hunter say we are liars.

http://www.endgamethemovie.com/biblio01.html

Oh and one final bit from Jack:

What bothers me about people obsessed with conspiracy theories is not whether or not those theories are true. Some might be, or at least in part. What bothers me about people obsessed with conspiracy theories is not that they are “challenging the official story” as they invariably envision themselves as always gallantly doing. I think it’s always healthy to challenge official stories. It is not healthy, perhaps, to make up your own stories based on excited speculation, filter it through an angry or chaotic imagination and then wave before the world as “truth.”

Translation: Question, but keep it to yourselves, other people are trying to live the lie the best they can. They do not want to be woke up. Oh, and if you do try to wake people up, I will conflate bad conspiracy theories with good ones to discredit the good ones Cass Sunstein style.

Notes in the margin: Thank you Michael Nystrom for allow us to post, report and give opinion on matters in the liberty movement. We really are blessed to have you. I never have to worry about you pulling these sorts of antics lol.



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Jack dug his own hole

This is basic psychology. He underestimated the backlash for his original attack on people that entertain conspiracy theories, and now he has to justify himself and protect his ego by writing more articles on the subject. Attacking someone's beliefs usually strengthens those beliefs, and now Jack, having been attacked, is a fervent anti-conspiracist. The irony is that his original complaint was that it wastes time and distracts from real issues, and now he is wasting his time writing about conspiracy theorists, rather than writing about the real issues.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

"We are Change" spends their

"We are Change" spends their time ambushing politicians with bilderburg questions. Their average video time is 2 minutes. They accomplish NOTHING what at all. Jack Hunter instead uses reason and philosophy. It isn't illegal for Bilderburgs to meet. Jack Hunter confronts the illegal actions carried out by elected officials daily. We are Change is the Howard Stern faction; gaining popularity by acting controversial. They accomplish nothing but continue to gain the sheeple of the liberty movement's favor.

Jack needs to cool his jets.

Jack needs to cool his jets. He is breathing way too much life into this and making it an issue. Besides, when he chides "Birthers," he is putting down the rank and file Republican base he is hoping to sway by being so moderately politically correct and conspiracy theory free. Jack, just stick to your regular political commentary and leave the PR to someone else.

Drop it already

Let it go already. I am sure Jack would like to drop the whole issue.

He keeps bringing it up!

Did you read my post? He keeps on kicking sand in our eyes. I want Jack to come out with a list of pre-approved topics before he goes on the screeds he has been known for lately.

I doubt he will.

I wish too for this issue to rest, but it won't. Jack will keep on whining that people dare challenge him when he insults us. The audacity! How dare we defend ourselves.

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so fkn what

Jack has put in so much work... nevermind. Fkn tools.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Remember that lamebrained "Tuskegee" conspiracy theory?

Can you imagine people actually falling for the idea that the government would inflict disease, pain and death on its own citizens DELIBERATELY? I hope none of them turned out to be Ron Paul supporters!!

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

I still remember that nutty conspiracy "Operation Northwoods"

I'm so glad people saw that for the conspiracy theory it was.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Don't forget the JFK assassination

It was a lone-nut gunman and that's the end of that story.

Lol, yeah, I remember nuts who said Oswald was an FBI informant

Thank God there was no liberty movement for them to invade back then. Losers!!

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Remember that goofy conspiracy theory about the Gulf of Tonkin?

Boy, I'm glad that never got off the ground.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

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I would recommend purging....Jack Hunter

...by ignoring him.

He continues to alienate people with his semi-establishmentarian attempts at "ring-leading".

Its not working, Jack.

Guess how long its been since I've read your blog?

And that unsubscribe function came in handy, too.

Thankfully, the louder and more obvious you become in your attempts to ring-lead, the more you turn people away.

As you have said yourself, "Libertarians do not like to be told what to do or how to think."

EXACTLY!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

What if he's right?

I think he makes a very good point. I almost do not like coming to DP sometimes because of all the 9-11 conspiracy stuff and authority is out to get me stuff. Posting stuff like that hurts the movement more than it helps because the mainstream media can just say "oh those ron paul people they are all crazy conspiracy theorists." Jack Hunter is right conspiracy theorists are holding us back whether they are correct or not.

Just recently saw a post on

Just recently saw a post on another thread by an engineer who felt as you describe and very skeptical about that 911 'conspiracy theory'. He finally looked into it recently and after watching the newest architects and engineers documentary said he now could not believe the government's conspiracy theory about the 3 building falling. Maybe you should watch that video too.

Utter nonsense.

Yeah, there's so much "conspiracy stuff," lol.

Goofy post.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Correct

Like I said before, I used to laugh at these "conspiracy theorists" at their wild stories and made fun of them. And I finally experienced that when I confronted my step father about Barack Obama's birth certificate.

What he said shocked me, the way he acted was unnatural for him! He got angry, even said curse words at me in a non-jokingly manner. He told me that only conspiracy theorists, Republicans, and racists believe that. He refused me trying to show him that the birth certificate was bluntly edited.

I realized that by opening myself with such statements, I am doing just as I had laughed at the 9/11 and Bilderberg truthers as doing, scaring people away. making them less willing to listen to what I am saying.
Then I realized, even if he realizes this what this going to change?

What is provable from 9/11, is our out of control foreign policy. People are dying because of us and our soldiers are suffering and opposing to this.

What ties to that is the debt, and how it destroys the economy and enslaves the prosperity. THAT is what people cares for. Misconceptions about the candidates and parties people belong to can also be disillusioned. those are the areas you should focus on when talking to people, NOT just going on youtube and typing "9/11 was an inside job! Ron Paul 2012". Doing so will attract no one actually willing to listen to what you say. and it doesn't help either when people frequently calling the opposition out to be "sheeple" or "wake the fuck up" without addressing them on their faults.

In that sense, Jack Hunter is right.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

this is exactly what I was trying to say

I'm not saying that there aren't conspiracies by governments or that it's wrong to believe in them. I don't care if you do or not, it's mostly irrelevant. There are conspiracy theorists in every wing of politics that are very open about it. The problem with the liberty movement is that there is already so much going against us that when people start directly connecting the liberty movement with conspiracy theories that are yet to be found true that it just gives the media more reason to say we are all crazy, when in fact we are all involved with this because we have learned a great deal about how politics and economics work and want real change. I believe the intellectual side of the revolution is what can bring us to the table with the two parties because it is cemented in facts.

You make some great points

You make some great points but did so diplomatically. Your post doesn't seem to offend those who distrust the government and media versions of events. Your post underscores the need to use persuasive issues to connect with others on the current fall out. Good thinking, hopefully Jack will pick up on your diplomatic style. No reason for him to come out guns blazing against the skeptics within our movement.

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I didn't really follow him, but I would suggest him to put it in the way I am saying, because that's the way I see what he's trying to say.

I hope so too.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Conspiracy Theorists...

are like hamsters on a wheel. Always running and spinning until they get tired and realize they haven't moved an inch and still stuck inside the cage.

The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

Because, ....HEY....

Physics, metallurgy, and gravity deserve a day off too, right?

better watch out jack hunter

you want to get rid of "conspiracy theorists," tomorrow they might be getting rid of guys with lisps!

Purge away Jack...

And good luck wi dat.

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

anyone who believes that

anyone who believes that there are no evil men in the world who conspire to do evil things are idiots. Simple minded, moronic, imbeciles..........

Jack is completely right

I held several sign waves here in Ohio, and at each on of them a group of supposed "paul supporters" showed up with their "9/11 Truth" shirts and their "Bilderberg" handouts. It alienates people. And I find it truly amazing that most of you on DP like to 'purge' those that you dont like, aka Rand, Jack, Benton, etc., but when us rational Paul supporters fight back and state the obvious (that conspiracy theorists hurt our chances of becoming 'mainstream'), you real Paultards yell and scream and say we're not REAL libertarians.....even though, deep inside, you conspiracy-types aren't a libertarian at all, with your hatred towards business and corporations.

As for 2016, i thought it made some very valid points. Some were very neoconservative in nature, but the underlying truth is that leftists and Barack Obama do feel that the first world "owes" something to the third world.

Correct.

What gets people out to the ballot box isn't screaming "9/11! BILDERBERG! BOHEMIAN GROVE!" More likely, it inspires people to shake their heads, think "what a nutjob," and keep voting establishment... and the theorists do themselves no favors by being antagonistic and relentlessly trying to shut down all opposing views.

We will never convince people to join our movement if we can't relate to their lives. Just look at how bad Willard's doing: he's aloof and unrelatable, and he's paying for that dearly in the polls. 9/11 and Bilderberg are not daily concerns for average American voters: jobs and the economy are. Foreign policy is. Property rights and civil liberties are. We need solutions, not half-baked answers to questions voters aren't asking.

I don't play, I commission the league.

jack hunter: another reason why ron paul lost

he helped make the official ron paul website look amateur

He has a point.

It's interesting to delve into historical events and come up with wild conspiracies and alternate stories, but if that's the crux of this movement, it isn't going anywhere.

The focus on the liberty movement needs to be on practical issues that affect people's lives: inflation and the Fed, our out-of-control foreign policy, the surveillance state, self-reliance and personal responsibility, property rights, the right to life, civil rights and civil liberties, etc. THAT is what's relatable to average Americans and what convinces them to join our tent, not whatever "false flag attack" Alex Jones makes up to sell a book this week.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Hunter is a half baked MSM hack!

He's spews enough truth to be dangerous to both the MSM, and to the liberty movement.

He's always been behind the curve when it comes to the whole truth of what's really going on in this country.

He's also so SMALL-TIME, respected by few on either side, and will always hold a position of insignificance.

The Winds of Change!

Isn't that the great thing about liberty,

We may disagree with each other, on well, $Hit, everything (conspiracy theories, college football teams, favorite colors, font size), but we all believe in the idea that we are free to believe these things, and that is the point that brings the movement together.

He disagrees with conspiracy theorists, so doesn't want them under the liberty tent. Isn't that the point of the movement, we are all different, but it's liberty that brings us together. Just because someone wants to believe something different then you doesn't mean he can't be in the movement.

My question is, who else do you want excluded? Also, are we now grouping people together Hunter? I thought we were all individuals, can a union worker who wants out of the union be a liberty lover? What about the fiercely religious, are they too extreme. Liberty is for everyone...ass.. (Conspiracy or not)