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URGENT - we must start thinking about peaceful resistance and plans in case bad goes to worse

Submitted by haightashbury1969 on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 12:50

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Many of you have become more and more educated as to what exactly is going on in our country, and the world. However, I don't think some people quite understand the monumental change we are about to experience as a nation, and, I fear, it is not going to be positive. For those who call us conspiracy nuts, I don't quite understand how you can reject all of history, declassified projects, news reports, and interviews, as the evidence for what we are claiming is MASSIVE.

This thread is meant to bring about a healthy discussion as to what we, as revolutionaries who understand the nature of the evil that is being set up against us, can do to protect ourselves once the dollar crashes. For those who understand economics, you know that economic power and political power go hand in hand. Once the dollar crashes, and we fall into a bad recession, the politicians will move to place further restrictions upon us and will continue to intervene in the economy which will bring a full on depression (whether they act wittingly or not, this will probably happen). A depression will massively detract from We the People's political influence, and just look at how small it is to begin with. To think that our power will shrink that much further is a very frightening thought. Even more frightening are all the FEMA camps that are being renovated and prepared for people. If you doubt this then here are a few interesting links that will show you what we are up against:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S2J3i34XW8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpXh7DCptaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ_EVF958Lc

You have the infastructure (FEMA camps), the personnel (military or blackwater type), the incentive (bankers would like to buy our infastructure for pennies on the dollar and gain mastery over us in our time of chaos), the power structure (just look at our federal gov), and the new laws in place (HR 1955, etc, all of Bush's crazy executive orders) in order for them to accomplish this. The only thing that holds them back, from what I can tell, is that we still wield massive economic influence and thus, although it is steadily shrinking, still enough political influence. Also, believe it or not, there are still patriots left in the government.

Now for my personal suggestions on how to deal with this to ensure continued liberty, and I would ask that everyone input their own ideas and critique mine....

1. Peace is ESSENTIAL. We must remain peaceful, even when the hammer starts coming down. It is my opinion that going on the offensive would be DISASTEROUS, as it would give them the reason they want to hurry their plans forward, as time will be a key factor for them. Of course, I would suggest resistance if they invade your home and try to hurt your family, then you are acting well within the limits of the Constitution. Resistance at this level will be key into continuing the true perception that we are a peaceful peoples just defending our life and property (and that we are not "domestic terrorists"). You guys can go to the camps if you want, but in my personal opinion its better to go by gunfire than by torture or withering away in a camp for years on end.

2. Learn how to use a gun, take classes, and buy a weapon (an assualt rifle would be best IMO). I do not suggest this because I want to increase the likelihood of confrontation, but, just the opposite, I want to stave off any attempts at controlling the American people. You are well within your rights to defend your family and your property, and I suggest you prepare yourself to exercise that right. Also, if this really caught on, it would have the effect of spiking gun sales, which might cause them to think twice about what they are doing. Disarming of the populace is absolutely KEY for them to be successful. If they disarm us and get us into the camps ITS ALL OVER. Think about it.....could blackwater really police America? They are MASSIVELY outnumbered, and so it is essential for them to move large numbers of us into camps where they can assume total control over our actions. They will show up at your door and demand your weapons, and will cuff you and take you to a "processing" area where you'll be directed to one of the holding facilities. The solution to this? I'm not sure......maybe find or construct an excellent place in the home where you, your family, and your weapons can hide until they conclude that you have left.

3. BUY GOLD. I'm not an expert in economics so can someone please follow up on this with some better advice. In my understanding, we should get rid of all our dollars so that we are not deprived of our wealth when the greenback comes crashing down. If the revolutionaries still have their wealth then we will be able to garner some meager political influence. We must counter any attempts by them to set the deprived masses against us, and must get as many people to our side as we can, INCLUDING defected military personnel.

4. STAY POSITIVE. I know it sounds corny but you will understand once the fear sets in and the masses realize what is happening. Fear will be our utmost enemy, because that is what they will use against us (it is the only means of persuasion they understand). We must give the masses the hope they will need to join us in protecting property and family.

5 RUN FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. It may be too late for this one, as the recession has already set in and we may be dealing with these problems within the year. The more time the economy gives us, the better. As such, the more patriots we have in local government the better chance we have at resisting martial law peacefully and politically. The more political influence and peace we can use, the better, this will be a HUGE advantage. They will require the compliance of local governments to effectively enact martial law. Why? Because if patriots see people being deprived of their weapons and being cuffed and transported to a "processing facility" then they can signal others still in their homes to resist or be transported.

6. CONTINUE THE INFO WAR. There WILL be false-flag operations used to increase their claims that they can invade our rights. We must work hard to debunk the false-flag ops and continue to show the public that the answer is not more government intervention, but a return to the Constitution. One thing they didn't have in Nazi Germany was the internet, and I believe this will be a powerful tool in debunking government propoganda.

This all may sound far fetched to some, but I assure you it is not. Why should we be so naive to think this cannot happen? Because the mainstream hasn't made a peep? Because everything still "feels" normal? Once the economy sinks people will become naturally much more willing to give up their rights. Once this happens certain areas of government (exec branch probably heading all this) will start using fear much more aggressively. You have to understand that these people may seem nice on TV, but they are RUTHLESS in what they will do. They may not be personally violent but they will command others to incur massive human rights violations in order to accomplish their goals. If they are willing to kill and torture Iraqi families, then you better believe they would do it to you in a heartbeat. This is when the reality will set in for the masses, and this is when everything I am saying now will make perfect sense. Once journalists start getting kidnapped and their toenails ripped off, people start abiding tyrannical anti-speech laws.

I would not create this thread if I was not DEEPLY concerned about our well-being. It is time we start talking in realistic terms and start trying to figure out how we can save liberty while incurring as little violence as possible (this is why some political influence will be so beneficial). Please, critique my ideas and start coming up with some of your own.....we were naive as a nation for too long and we have taken our liberty for granted. If we do not act I fear it could be lost for a very, very long time.

Ron Paul for the Long Haul

Submitted by flowr76 on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 20:11. Permalink

http://www.garynorth.com/public/2928.cfm

Isn't Gary North on the

Submitted by phoobaar on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 21:06. Permalink

Isn't Gary North on the short list of possible authors of the Ron Paul smear-letters?

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Liberty for Dummies

Gold will always be valuable

Submitted by ditkuss on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 19:30. Permalink

Even in a mad max world gold will be considered valuable and will buy food, water, clothes, and gas. It's been valuable for thousands of years even during ancient, primitive times, no reason why it wouldn't be again during a total collapse.

It's been valuable whenever

Submitted by phoobaar on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 19:52. Permalink

It's been valuable whenever people have had enough relative stability and leisure time to place value in shiny things, but it has no intrinsic value and would be effectively worthless in a dystopian scenario. Unless there arose some practical use for it (unlikely, since other soft metals of similar usefulness are more readily available).

Primitive cultures weren't as primitive as we tend to think they were. They didn't live like animals in a constant struggle for survival. The average hunter/gatherer society spends the same amount of time "working" (acquiring food, etc.) as a modern nine-to-fiver. Assuming plentiful food, they'd have as much free time to appreciate shiny things and craft them into pretty trinkets as we do. For proof of this, read the journals of Christopher Columbus. Note the first thing that caught his eye when he met the Arawak.

If it ever came down to a "Mad Max world," with little hope that stability would return any time soon, I'd trade a hundred tons of gold for a good rifle and a case of shells.

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Liberty for Dummies

Guns and Flowers

Submitted by vickersey on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 19:27. Permalink

Sorry but you cant fight guns with flowers

Murrah Building

Submitted by vickersey on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 19:26. Permalink

Ammonium Nitrate and Disiel Fuel works!

Preparedness

Submitted by ykw54 on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 18:40. Permalink

Not every one person or his family can be truly prepared to endure ad infinitum. It takes the collective force of a people so united at the hip that they are willing to help each other out ad infinitum.
It is however very important for evey person to revamp one`s own lifestyle according to true needs .
Get out of debt.
Outright ownership of goods and property.
Keep emergency moneys within easy reach
Personal defense is a must but it requires also allies as well.
Learn as much as possible about everything that will keep you safe and fed.
Gold can`t be eaten , it will not fuel the car or pickup
Most importantly rekindle your friendhips and make new ones because in times of need friends will exchange with you those things that are necesseties for either of you.
The enforcers will not be familiar to anyone because it make no sense that they should be. They likely will be
from a pool of trained mercenaries that have no ties to the people.
Lastly we Americans need to remember that unity is our only real defense against any form of tiranny foreign or domestic and neither can be combatted successfully if there exists only fragmented patches of solidarity amongst tiny groups of people
wo have different priorities .All should align themselves
to one priority that benefits the whole.
America made of true Americans willing to help one another is what will get us through . By the way speaking of unity , i thought the scope of these forums was to elect Ron Paul to the presidency ... since this is our common goal why don`t we have a post that deals only with that ? KEPT ON TOP ALL THE TIME AS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE,until he is elected .There our
collective efforts would serve best bringing it to
fruition.That would be our finest contribution to one another by insuring RON PAUL `s presidency thereby regaining our Country and our Citizenship our RIghts.
The other posts that aim to spread information as to why we need RON are fine but it seems to me that they drain much of our collective energy away from the real work of getting Ron elected .
Right now my focus is on bringing as many people as
i know and the ones they know to unity and to vote for RON PAUL. FOR PRESIDENT
Share what you know with those whom do not know outside these forums.Instill in them the idea that
it isn`t enough to be singularly prepared because when facing a catastrophy only the common reciprocity that people can offer one another has always been historically the very thing that made the difference. Unite the people to be prepared to deny the TYRANTS goods and services and the essentials they need .
SHOULD the that time come the TYRANTS will perish while the people who help one another will survive .
The good will of one toward another of like situation
ensures the suvival of both.
History is full of such examples BUT FOR NOW WE NEED TO GET RON PAUL ELECTED.

DP needs a new link to "Flag as irrelevant" certain posts

Submitted by sleepdog on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 16:05. Permalink

**ahem** again

Anybody hear anything good from campaign today?

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RON PAUL 2012

Ready for what????

Submitted by DaveMac on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 16:03. Permalink

Our adversaries can flatten your house with a remote control plane. They can track you, listen to your phone, computer, freeze your money, etc, etc, etc. There will be NO romantic resistance if we allow violence. Our opponents want open conflict with law enforcement. They want atrocities. The cycle of violence will take over, as it has before, and we will fight our local enemy for reasons that will no longer resemble the Constitution. We and they will be avenging the recent violent acts. The circle goes round and round until we forget why we are fighting. There will be no victory. That’s why we MUST commit to non-violence and reach out to our potential adversaries. If not, no amount of ammo will help. Dr. Paul is showing us the way. He has reached out and has shown his personal support. So should we.

Our adversaries can flatten our house by remote control?

Submitted by none on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 21:48. Permalink

I think this post by Davemac allows me to call it official everybody. Davemac is off his meds.

In one post, you'll blast away at anyone who suggests that the military and police are anything but our best of buds, people whom we ought to obey at all times. In others, you call them the enemy and attempt to scare us with threats of attacks from remote control planes, and the OPERATIONAL functioning domestic surveilance programs. You're nuts, and your attempt at recruiting support for your fully baked positions is as transparent to me as your purpose in doing so.

We're not violent Dave. We just want our civil servants to do their jobs which is to say we want them to serve the public interest. But we're not whimps either. Keep that in mind when you make your threats.

We Must Be Ready

Submitted by ldevlugt on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 15:51. Permalink

We need more people thinking worst case scenario and preparing for it. Anyone interested in working with me on this please feel free to e-mail me at ladsrlifemgt@gmail.com. Our adversaries, at the most basic level, are criminals. And, ultimately, criminals can only effectively be dealt with accordingly. I'm just thankful and blessed that so many of my fellow patriots are alive, well, and willing to take up the fight. Godspeed.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." --Declaration of Independence

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Peace is the only way. Period.

Submitted by DaveMac on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 16:01. Permalink

Our adversaries can flatten your house with a remote control plan. They can track you, listen to your phone, computer, freeze your money, etc, etc, etc. There will be NO romantic resistance if we allow violence. Our opponents want open conflict with law enforcement. They want atrocities. The cycle of violence will take over, as it has before, and we will fight our local enemy for reason that will no longer resemble the Constitution. We and they will be avenging the recent violent acts. The circle goes round and round until we forget why we are fighting. There will be no victory. That’s why we MUST commit to non-violence and reach out to our potential adversaries. If not, no amount of ammo will help. Dr. Paul is showing us the way. He has reached out and has shown his personal support. So should we.

I agree....

Submitted by annelwebster on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 13:56. Permalink

We are making plans to leave the country, permanently, before this mess gets significantly worse...

Just 6 months ago, I would have called me a crazy kooky conspiracy nut job who needs to get a life...I am SO GLAD I WOKE UP !

remember....

Submitted by phaedrus on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 13:41. Permalink

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent."
Mahatma Gandhi

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Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.
George Bernard Shaw (nevermind that he founded the cursed fabian society with webb)

To Americans Facing Home Foreclosure

Submitted by Tighe on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 21:07. Permalink

The war is costing $720 million a day or $500,000 a minute, according to the group's analysis of the work of Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz and Harvard public finance lecturer Linda J. Bilmes

The money spent on one day of the Iraq war could buy homes for almost 6,500 American families or health care for 423,529 Americans, or could outfit 1.27 million American homes with renewable electricity, according to the
“American Friends Service Committee”

The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion ($8,000 per man, woman child in US) by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money, Congressional Budget Office

Aside from the loss of live and devastating injuries to our soldiers, this is one of the major reasons many Americans are facing tough economic times and our neighbors need understand WHY.

ok maybe we are crazy

Submitted by aaronknudson on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 18:37. Permalink

but its very important to be ready...

As you can see....

Submitted by joelfarm on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 15:41. Permalink

by comments before me, that there are those even among us, who refuse to see the world anyway other than through rose colored glasses. This movement has so many powerful forces fighting against it, that we would not even try if we really knew what we are up against. But every rebellion, every reveloution has detractors within itself who always say "work within the system and we will get our place at the table."

I see some who want to censor your message, who redicule you, who say that what you propose is impossible. Strange. Those are the same arguments that are being used against Ron Paul.

I know who the REAL trolls are.

dude please

Submitted by Ron Paul Films on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 17:45. Permalink

i don't have a problem with what's written in the post...
lots of people apparently are very interested.

i'm just tired of the headline floating around for days and think this topic is of tangential importance.

something like this would be better suited to a personal blog imho.

Learn to Barter Now - sorry for dbl post

Submitted by Unaboomer on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 15:46. Permalink

Get busy figuring out what your barter talent is - and we should all begin practicing more Bartering. My dream is to develop a nationwide bartering system. This cuts down on the need to pass cash around.

Real Example. I needed my water heater and ductwork redone. I lacked the cash for outside help. One of my best ladyfriends had a handy man guy who had done a number of them. Because he was "in love" he did what she asked him, but there was a 3 way barter. I helped her edit a big school paper cuz she hates to write - she paid me with 'boyfriend labor' and i in turn did some computer work for the man also. We all got some work done that we did not want to do, by doing work we loved to do. The lady just loaned out the guy, becoming a 'broker' in a way, but - you see it all came out ok.

Ron Paul 2008

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Watch PBS Program on the "BONUS MARCH" (Amer Exp)

Submitted by Unaboomer on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 15:28. Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

starter site.

Watch for it playing now on PBS. "American Experience" WWI vets assembled in Washington, trying to get their Bonus Pay - to get them up to snuf with those who got paid at home in factories. They had a leader of sorts. They camped in shanty towns, were organized and were peaceful. When trouble started, they sang America rather than get violent. Congress repeatedly f*cked them over. Lied to them, denied their rights. It was the depression - they had nothing, and could not get what was due them.

The military and cops were all over it - waiting for one excuse to attack. Finally, one person threw a brick into the police or military and all hell broke loose - vets died. There was something about crossing a bridge - i would have to find my notes - but i am gonna research this. It was a fantastic example, because there was no mass-media TV crap - they just did it word of mouth i guess. It grew to tens of thousands. Finally Roosevelt got it done - and they got their pay. But man, what a story! It needs a movie - hmm, i'll get right on the screenplay.

The event was LANDMARK because it eventually led to the G. I Bill of Rights - or so this documentary said.

So, my input is, FIND EXAMPLES of how it has been done before and study these examples and learn. Plus, i like all of what has been said in the original post. I have been making calls to beef up my arsenal also.

Others of you PLEASE ADD events you think we should all bone up on, ok? Thanks.

FINALLY - i still like the idea of arming everyone with a special LAPTOP that can receive our alternate signal. Our own "Emergency Broadcast Network". But it must somehow be scramble-proof and such. this is a dilemma, but worth looking into i think. I get this idea from the ones being given to children in Africa. They are like solar or something - and resist the elements.

Conspiracies are very commonplace. No argument from me.

Ron Paul 2008

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Priceless!

Submitted by soule on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 15:04. Permalink

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Burn 50 CD's= 5 hours
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I say we musst start making the news

Yes, that's correct, it is time to use the internet as a medium to inform, educate and bring the news to each individual in this country without distorting the story. this can be done by the millions of internet users and the results are endless. All it takes is a plattform and people from different backgrounds and ideas with the same motive: Inform, educate and advice.
The plattform exists already, I am waiting for you to join and make things move forward: www.wtpcast.com

For now, we have to work hard to get the message out, Bloomberg needed 80millions to campaign in NY alone, can you imagine how much it will cost the RP campaign on the super tuesday? A lot of money!
How can we help apart from giving money to the campaign?

Burn CD's DVD's of Dr. Paul videos and we can get them distributed by others. This is the most effective method and the cheapest. Apart from thatRon paul videos can Hoock up any open minded individual:

here, pledge now and see how many CD's are pledged for each state and how many people pledged to distribute them, per state:

www.wtpcast.com/cd_dvd_squeeze.asp