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"What can I do to get you to vote for Romney?" *Updated*

So at our county central committee last night I was commenting about how the Romney campaign had shot themselves in the foot by the way they treated the RP Republicans.

Later a lady came up to me and told me how desperate she was to get our votes for Romney. "I don't think our country can survive another four years of Obama as president!"

I told her that she was asking a lot of RP Republicans to expect them to turn around and support someone whose campaign had virtually spit in their faces in Tampa and subsequently seemed content to treat us like we didn't exist.

"But what can I do, as an INDIVIDUAL, to win their votes?", she asked.

That had me stumped. I know there were a lot of things I could have said.

I could have told her that she should have been listening to the RP Republicans last January when we were telling her that Ron Paul was the only candidate that could beat Obama.

I could have told her a lot of similar "I told you so's".

But to really answer her question, I was stumped.
I told her I would get back to her.

What should I tell the lady?

Tell her to write to Romney and ask him to start chanting "End the Fed!" at his next rally? Tell him to renounce the new anti-grassroots RNC rules? Tell him to announce that he is no longer going to play ball with the Bilderbergers/CFR/military-industrial-Wall Street complex?

Tell her to forget about it and worry about getting our congressman elected?

I know there is no perfect answer to a question like this. The question itself shows that she doesn't understand the nature of our political situation.

So what should I tell her? What should my message from the RP community be?

============================= UPDATE ============================

Thank you for all of your sincere (and sometimes amusing) comments.
I am sorry I have not had time to read or comment on all of them individually.

Here is my lame but sincere attempt to try to help her (and some of my other committee members)to see the situation through our eyes and maybe get her to help us move the GOP in a positive direction.

"Dear Central Committee Member,

In answer to a question I received at our meeting Monday night (i.e. "What could I do as an individual to persuade Ron Paul Republicans to vote for Romney?"), I think this article might hold part of the answer.

Letters: Conventional Wisdom and Rejection of GOP 'Top-Down' Structure

Ron Paul supporters are an eclectic bunch of individualists who are motivated more by principle than by leadership, even Ron Paul's. I think that is one reason why Ron Paul did not bother to endorse anyone running for president this year. He knew they wouldn't have listened to him anyway.
(By the way, that fact alone should debunk the myth that Ron Paul supporters are in any way a "cult". Whoever heard of a cult where the "exalted leader" can't even order his "followers" to do something as simple as vote for a certain candidate? Think about it.)

Assuming that we can't get Mitt to denounce the disgusting new RNC rules, the next best thing would be to have the grassroots Republicans show some backbone and do it for him.
I know this might seem like a petty issue to many in the GOP. Many of you think the world is going to come to an end if Obama is re-elected. Obviously swing voters are NOT going to share that viewpoint. While many Democrats and Independents are disappointed by Obama's failure to distinguish himself from George Bush on civil rights and foreign wars; the RP Republicans and liberty-leaning Independents are just as disappointed in Romney for his failure to distinguish himself from Obama.

As much as they loathe the prospect of FOUR more years of Obama, they are just as fearful of EIGHT more years of a Bush-style presidency (continual expansion of the "imperial" executive branch, endless foreign wars justified by "American Exceptionalism", skyrocketing national debt caused by blank checks written to the Industrial-Military-Wall Street complex, more liberal social engineering like "No Child Left Behind" or encouraging banks to make bad mortgages to minorities, more erosion of our constitutional rights in the name of "national security",more nation-building and policing the world in the name of U.N. resolutions, more budget-busting, socialism like the Medicaid Part D Prescription program and the TARP bailouts).

Why?
Because the only thing worse than a president like Obama is a president like Obama with an "(R)" behind his name.
Because when a president has an "(R)" behind his name, all of our defenses go down.
Because the Limbaughs and Hannitys and O'Reillys all stop becoming critics and start becoming cheerleaders.
Because no matter how badly the president behaves in office, no matter how many conservative principles he betrays, no matter how many campaign promises he forgets, no matter how many GOP platform planks he ignores; he is STILL the "leader of the GOP", and we fall in rank behind him.

So how can you convince a Ron Paul Republican to vote for Romney?

Convince him that you aren't going to let the Republican Party continue to be a rubber stamp for the elite political insiders.

Convince him that you aren't going to roll over and play dead in four years if Romney behaves like a Republican In Name Only.

Convince him that the good Republicans are fed up with having our most important decisions made in smoke-filled rooms by a handful of party bosses and confirmed by a pep rally (scripted on a teleprompter) disguised as a political convention.

Convince him that Republicans are ready to take control of their own party, instead of following their leaders like sheep to the slaughter.

You might want to start by convincing him that the REPUBLICAN PARTY is not a cult; that we have minds and principles of our own.



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I wouldn't vote for Romney

even if he were the only jerk in the race!

skippy

romney is

a proven liar. there is nothing, absolutely nothing, they can do to get my vote.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

And I think she knows...

... that there are a lot of people like you among the loyal supporters of Ron Paul.
Unfortunately, she does not know WHY you feel that way since Obama is also "a proven liar".
Eventually I hope that she WILL understand.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

I think you have to use more emotional arguments....

Their reasoning just isn't there.

And it's not their fault.

Look what they did to u at school.

Funny Video:
http://www.dailypaul.com/257240/funny-video-public-schooling...

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Protect your assets and profit from the greatest wealth transfer in history.

use honesty, vote for the

use honesty, vote for the criminal romney.

Ron Paul 2016

Fantastic Update!

Fantastic Update!

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

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SpaceH, thanks for summarizing exactly what I would like

our local GOP old-timers to read & understand!

Like you, I haven't given up on them :-) One is starting to read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" and another one is about to host an evening community college class on the Constitution. I trust that by and by we will be able to talk about important issues at our local gop meetings (and not just about fundraising for, & following orders from, RNC HQ master-cheaters.)

Cool! I should have mentioned...

... that we had a visiting county chair who is planning a regional conference on the evils of Agenda 21. She even mentioned that she was hoping to have the author of a book on "nullification" come speak. I didn't get a chance to ask her if she was referring to Tom Woods but I don't know who else she could have been talking about.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

You can make Ron Paul the VP

You can make Ron Paul the VP and strap a suicide vest on Mitt set to go off one second after Mitt is sworn in. Short of that, I have ZERO interest in who wins. Freedom loses either way.

Neocons_suck

She might find your suggestion a little hard to implement.

Even if she could get Mitt to agree, the Secret Service might raise objections. ;-)

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The Virtual Conspiracy

That's

pretty much how LBJ got in office isn't it?

skippy

This just might be

The Topic of the year. I will not belittle this lady or her peers, I was one once. She just has to wake up in her time. We are a peaceful revolution.

The Dailypaul

restores my faith in humanity.

RP

Fed Chairman -_-

donvino

Without Objection

I'd like to print this out and share it with anyone who requests that I vote for Romney. This is a great example of intellectual judo.

With no objection. So ordered.

POINT OF ORDER!!!!!...POINT OF ORDERRRRRR!!!!

Just kidding. I'm flattered. Print away!

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The Virtual Conspiracy

beautiful

very good response. not only was it a great summary of most of the RP supporter's beliefs, you did it in a respectful and non-condescending manner. IMO this is a lot more important than some people think. props.

Superb!

:)

That was very well written! I

That was very well written! I felt every line.

Focus elsewhere

I do not believe that anything can be said or done to get many RP votes. Anything said by Romney to convince RP voters would correctly be perceived as lying to get votes. I think she would be more successful focusing on getting Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, and Newt Ginrinch votes (or at least lobbying their supporters to make sure they don't sit on their hands on election day). If Romney loses it will be because many voters for RS, HC, NG and RP did not want to vote for either Obama(D) or Obama(R).

You may be right...

But there really aren't that many swing voters out there among people who were actively supporting ANY GOP candidate.
Most of the swing voters (outside of RP Republicans) are people who are clueless and/or apathetic.

Those are the ones that she should target.
But I hope she will continue to care what WE think if for no other reason than the fact that she might learn something.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

In my case they can't do anything

to have me ever vote for Flip Romney!! I will either write in Ron Paul or vote FOR Gary Johnson and SCREW the GOP!!

HONEST RON FOREVER

http://RonPaul2012.com

This might get a Romney vote

1. Apologize for cheating and disqualifying Ron Paul delegates.
2. Turf Charlie Webster (I kin holda grudge)
3. Back off on the war with Iran crap, you are not running for a right wing seat in the Knesset
4. Turf the neo-con advisors
5. Quit taking foreign money from Shel Adelson et al
6. Quit saying Americans won't understand your budget proposals, show us the damn plan you moron (sorry, I get carried away)
7. If truly no one can understand your plan, might be a good idea to scrap it and write a new one.
8. Quit trying to criticize Obama based on the latest headlines, there is something called SUBSTANTIVE ARGUMENTS, something you lack
9. Take a stand without flip flopping, PLEASE

This may get you some votes, but then again it may not.

Romney could never do these things in any case, so it's moot.

Thanks for the list...

I'm sure it is moot.
If Romney weren't somebody's puppet he would already have been doing all of the above. Most of them are no-brainers with very little down-side risk.

Not that you and I aren't brilliant political strategists, but my 7th grade daughter could have come up with a better campaign than Mitt is running right now.

Like I've said before, it appears that the Conspiracy has decided that blaming us for his defeat is more valuable than having him in office.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

Perfect response...

...you did us all proud.

vote:

I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Not the RNC or the DNC. Not special interest. Not corporations. Not wall street. Not unconstitutional, unjust, unwarranted wars. Not the welfare state. Not foreign aid. Not Saudi Arabia / OPEC. Not defense contractors. Not the medical industrial complex. Not centralized government. No just the Constitution. Therefore, it is my duty not to vote for Mitt Romney / Barack Obama. I don't want your cookies and cakes, I just want the Freedoms provided to me by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Nothing more, Nothing less. Give me my Freedom and you can have my vote.

very well said

short and very much to the point, imo

"Mr. Washington, leader of

"Mr. Washington, leader of the colonial army, what can I do to get you to surrender and for your people to accept the Crown?"

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LOVE this!

this is great

The last time I voted other than Republican was for Jimmy Carter

Since then I voted straight Republican until now. A year ago I decided I was going to do some real research on each candidate. Ron Paul has shown me what this country should be like.

When you get a whiff of the truth nothing else works. I will never vote Romney now, if they had won the primary and RNC Convention fairly it would be different.

There is nothing they can do to convince this 40 year Republican to vote Romney!

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