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"What can I do to get you to vote for Romney?" *Updated*

So at our county central committee last night I was commenting about how the Romney campaign had shot themselves in the foot by the way they treated the RP Republicans.

Later a lady came up to me and told me how desperate she was to get our votes for Romney. "I don't think our country can survive another four years of Obama as president!"

I told her that she was asking a lot of RP Republicans to expect them to turn around and support someone whose campaign had virtually spit in their faces in Tampa and subsequently seemed content to treat us like we didn't exist.

"But what can I do, as an INDIVIDUAL, to win their votes?", she asked.

That had me stumped. I know there were a lot of things I could have said.

I could have told her that she should have been listening to the RP Republicans last January when we were telling her that Ron Paul was the only candidate that could beat Obama.

I could have told her a lot of similar "I told you so's".

But to really answer her question, I was stumped.
I told her I would get back to her.

What should I tell the lady?

Tell her to write to Romney and ask him to start chanting "End the Fed!" at his next rally? Tell him to renounce the new anti-grassroots RNC rules? Tell him to announce that he is no longer going to play ball with the Bilderbergers/CFR/military-industrial-Wall Street complex?

Tell her to forget about it and worry about getting our congressman elected?

I know there is no perfect answer to a question like this. The question itself shows that she doesn't understand the nature of our political situation.

So what should I tell her? What should my message from the RP community be?

============================= UPDATE ============================

Thank you for all of your sincere (and sometimes amusing) comments.
I am sorry I have not had time to read or comment on all of them individually.

Here is my lame but sincere attempt to try to help her (and some of my other committee members)to see the situation through our eyes and maybe get her to help us move the GOP in a positive direction.

"Dear Central Committee Member,

In answer to a question I received at our meeting Monday night (i.e. "What could I do as an individual to persuade Ron Paul Republicans to vote for Romney?"), I think this article might hold part of the answer.

Letters: Conventional Wisdom and Rejection of GOP 'Top-Down' Structure

Ron Paul supporters are an eclectic bunch of individualists who are motivated more by principle than by leadership, even Ron Paul's. I think that is one reason why Ron Paul did not bother to endorse anyone running for president this year. He knew they wouldn't have listened to him anyway.
(By the way, that fact alone should debunk the myth that Ron Paul supporters are in any way a "cult". Whoever heard of a cult where the "exalted leader" can't even order his "followers" to do something as simple as vote for a certain candidate? Think about it.)

Assuming that we can't get Mitt to denounce the disgusting new RNC rules, the next best thing would be to have the grassroots Republicans show some backbone and do it for him.
I know this might seem like a petty issue to many in the GOP. Many of you think the world is going to come to an end if Obama is re-elected. Obviously swing voters are NOT going to share that viewpoint. While many Democrats and Independents are disappointed by Obama's failure to distinguish himself from George Bush on civil rights and foreign wars; the RP Republicans and liberty-leaning Independents are just as disappointed in Romney for his failure to distinguish himself from Obama.

As much as they loathe the prospect of FOUR more years of Obama, they are just as fearful of EIGHT more years of a Bush-style presidency (continual expansion of the "imperial" executive branch, endless foreign wars justified by "American Exceptionalism", skyrocketing national debt caused by blank checks written to the Industrial-Military-Wall Street complex, more liberal social engineering like "No Child Left Behind" or encouraging banks to make bad mortgages to minorities, more erosion of our constitutional rights in the name of "national security",more nation-building and policing the world in the name of U.N. resolutions, more budget-busting, socialism like the Medicaid Part D Prescription program and the TARP bailouts).

Why?
Because the only thing worse than a president like Obama is a president like Obama with an "(R)" behind his name.
Because when a president has an "(R)" behind his name, all of our defenses go down.
Because the Limbaughs and Hannitys and O'Reillys all stop becoming critics and start becoming cheerleaders.
Because no matter how badly the president behaves in office, no matter how many conservative principles he betrays, no matter how many campaign promises he forgets, no matter how many GOP platform planks he ignores; he is STILL the "leader of the GOP", and we fall in rank behind him.

So how can you convince a Ron Paul Republican to vote for Romney?

Convince him that you aren't going to let the Republican Party continue to be a rubber stamp for the elite political insiders.

Convince him that you aren't going to roll over and play dead in four years if Romney behaves like a Republican In Name Only.

Convince him that the good Republicans are fed up with having our most important decisions made in smoke-filled rooms by a handful of party bosses and confirmed by a pep rally (scripted on a teleprompter) disguised as a political convention.

Convince him that Republicans are ready to take control of their own party, instead of following their leaders like sheep to the slaughter.

You might want to start by convincing him that the REPUBLICAN PARTY is not a cult; that we have minds and principles of our own.



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Tell her to wake up.

She's still asleep. She does this, problem solved. There is no need to convince us to vote Romney...she will be voting Paul or GJ

Tell Her This:

"I was serious when I said all along, "Ron Paul or no one at all". There's nothing you could say or do to convince me to vote for Romney, especially after he and his cronies committed election fraud at every stage in the primary, including the convention. But let's work together to elect liberty-minded Republicans to other offices. I'm principled; not unreasonable, spiteful, or stupid."

;-)

RoMNuT WHO!!!!
I see no EVIL
I hear no EVIL
I Speak to no EVIL

I would tell them.....

Remember what Clint Eastwood kept telling the empty chair that could not be done?

Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947

If Romney was serious about

If Romney was serious about wanting our votes he would promise to make Ron Paul the next Fed Chairman.

If Willard was serious about wanting our support...

he would step aside and let Ron Paul be the nominee.

I don't play, I commission the league.

By the way

share this and this will open there eyes!
http://www.dailypaul.com/252195/delegate-rnc-rule-change-wou...

Give us a chance to speak and listen.

Include us in the debate. If we lose the debate fair and square fine... but include us fully. For getting our vote this time around... i dont think she can

Never will I vote for Romney or Obama

they are the same!
Obama and Romney are the SAME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOstBFVQmJc

RNC cheated stole the nomination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39W91O-rUg

Ballot Box Switcheroo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS9hTCM7qn0

Ron Paul's Maine Delegates Stand Strong Against Corrupt RNC
7 of them soldiers!Listen to what Maine is saying!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTr7lZ5EXlE

6 States Officially Submitting Their Ron Paul Nomination Forms to the Secretary of the RNC *PROOF*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXZ9kzIvokY

Ben Swann On The DNC Ron Paul Moment - Grassroots Blowback Is Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxYTDYyHlA

CORRUPTION at 2012 RNC - North Carolina Chairman Robin Hayes Intimidates Delegates Over Rule 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoSGajwV7y8

The MSM has BLACKED OUT this press conference in support of the RNC cheating. Make this go VIRAL NOW, so the message of the Grassroots Republicans can be heard LOUD AND CLEAR!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fruTILguQA&feature=related

War breaks out at La. GOP convention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_B5qwHhXG0

GA GOP Chair complains that State's delegates aren't "unified", tries to bully Ron Paul delegates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnE8ZCvRFaI

I will be writing Ron Paul in!I will not vote for anyone else!Romney should be disqualified as Republican candidate and Ron Paul should take his place!

When my local GOP asked for

When my local GOP asked for my help... Here was my response:

http://www.dailypaul.com/255244/my-local-gop-wants-me-to-can...

What Romney could do today to

What Romney could do today to get my vote and possibly save the GOP is to step down as nominee and hand it over to Ron Paul and become the VP nominee. Nothing short of this will get me to vote for him. Period.

If Romney promises to appoint

If Romney promises to appoint Ron as Secretary of State, I'd give him a second look. That's the message I'd pass on to her. Fed Chair is not enough.

This is what I would have asked for

THe Fed Chairman is the most powerful man in the world. THe Fed is the center of all of our problems. For me personally if WE can get the Fed chair, its game over and we win. So I would ask Romney People either to have Romney agree to appoint Jim Grant as Fed Chair, or make public overtures to replacing Ben Bernake with an AUSTRIAN FREE MARKET Economist.

Honestly If we got this I would vote Romney.

Now hurry up and down vote me....

No....no....no.....the Fed is

No....no....no.....the Fed is just a symptom of a larger problem. If Romney wants to have a chance at my vote, he'd need to promise to appoint Ron as either Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense.

Nope, the Fed IS the enabler

Nope, the Fed IS the enabler of war. The Fed IS the problem.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

I agree but appointing Ron

I agree but appointing Ron chair of an inherently corrupt institution (where he can be overruled by the other members) doesn't strike me as the solution. As Ron himself would say, the Fed will fail even under the best of circumstances. It is bound to "overshoot" either in the direction of inflation or deflation.

Nobody, even Ron, can "plan" the money supply. Abolition of the Department of State is not first on my list of agencies to abolish and, more importantly, someone like Ron at the helm can actually accomplish tangible goals such as peace treaties, etc.

"So what should I tell her?"

She has about as much chance as an ice cube has in hell.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Here is how I would handle

Here is how I would handle it. Tell her listen I am not sure there is anything you can do however in the interest of working together I would be willing to sit down with you and explain in detail why I am not voting for Romney based on facts and track record not media sound bytes, Then you can analyze my reasoning and if you can come up with any reasonable valid reasons why I am wrong I will consider your side.

And then tell her I need to qualify that with I am a prolific researcher and do not just take peoples word for it I need to verify things with facts evidence reason and logic. So if you are willing to do that I will work with you.

If she agrees this may give you the opportunity to educate her on the facts instead of being confrontational. You could even do it through email with her that way you can send her videos and evidence of your points that she can look at her own pace. I would not hold out much hope she will last long but you never know...

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Agree generally hawkiye but think

your tone is still too confrontational/punitive.

We win every time we get one more person to a point where they become self-educating on critical issues/truths. We get an extra bonus win when we get the politically active, even better GOP officials, to that point.

We serve that important effort best when we do our wisest best to achieve that goal. She is presenting herself on a silver platter-spacehabits should make the very best of this opportunity. Do what ever it takes to keep her ear until she sees what she must see and what we must get more people to see. If you have little hope going in you have halfway defeated yourself before you have begun.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

this

also give her some websites like this and some other liberty oriented sites.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Nothing, my vote is not for sale.

Plain and simple. We get the leadership we deserve. If we get Obama, so be it. I personally think that the punishment for the status-quo GOP is to suffer through 4 more years, and then, if there's anything left, maybe they'll come to their senses. I doubt it.

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

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Show Her That Video

On youtube that shows word for word Obama and Romney saying the same stuff if you have a way to do so. If not, make a list of all the things the two rats agree on. Then give her some background on Romney such as how Bain owns clearchannel, and how he is backed by Goldman Sachs, (just like Obama) Ask her how she thinks Romney is any different from Obama and show her how she's misinformed. THEN give her a Ron Paul brochure! She might get it or it might just at least start her thinking!

skippy

I would love to this video if

I would love to this video if you have a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. ~ George Orwell

Print this thread

...and give it to her the next time you see her or e-mail it to her.

Maybe she will repent.

Cheers,

donvino

It isn't her fault

You could tell her that it isn't her fault that she may not be able to convince a disenfranchised RP supporter to support Romney. Romney made too many mistakes for too long of a time, and RP supporters experienced lots of those mistakes first hand. In our eyes, he's comparable to Obama (Obama's a murderer who'd knife you in the street. Romney's a murderer who'd wait until you're asleep in bed first. Or maybe it's actually the other way around?), and unless she can convince us using Romney's actions and words that he wouldn't start a war with Iran, that he'd work to end the Federal Reserve, that he's serious about balancing the budget, and that he understands the Constitution and would protect our natural rights, Romney cannot have any of our votes.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

"But what can I do...?"

I agree the "I told you so" approach will turn her away, forever locked in her delusional world and right now she seems open. But there's a more subtle way to do it...

The fact is Romney can say all he wants but it won't change a thing. He's a pathological liar which happens to be on overdrive right now. Of course I would not tell her that.

What I would do is explain the various reasons why Ron Paul republicans would never vote for Romney. Such as, "They're very strict constitutionalists and Romney has done x, y & z", or "They vehemently disapprove of Obama's actions/stances on x, y & z and see Romney in alignment with him on those positions", or "Many are libertarians who believe in x, y & z that is incompatible with Romney's positions" and so on.

THEN, I would explain the various reasons why Ron Paul has a better chance at beating Obama and then throw it back at her, "So what would it take to have you help me convince others to demand revoking Romney's nomination so we can fulfill our mutual goal of taking out Obama?"

She'll likely tell you why that will not happen and then I'm betting she'll express the need to move forward with Romney as the nominee. I would then let her know that's unfortunate.

THE FACT IS... if Ron Paul was the republican nominee he'd take Obama out after the first debate - no question. And it really is THEM who are handing Obama another term in the WH. Unfortunately however, republicrats treat their parties like it's their religion. Any direct attack on their religion will cause their closed minds to tighten further. So all we can do is give them something to think about and let them discover the truth for themselves, so they will then own it.

I wish you luck in whatever approach you decide.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

You gave her the best answer.

You gave her the best answer. If all the simpleton wants to do is to "beat obama" then she should of been listening to the RP Republicans. End of story.

We don't want you to talk, Mr Bond - We want you to DIE

Why would any civilized human being want this "country" to survive another 4 years ?
So it can massacre more women and children ?
So it can kidnap/torture more "suspects" ?
So it can undermine more govts and prop-up more tyrants ?

Our last chance was RP, and we blew it.
So I say let it fall, and give it a swift/hard kick on the way down.
Then perhaps the human beings among us (vs DC psychopaths) can
form local/peaceful communities. But even if not, I'd prefer disorganized chaos to the organized butchery that we're now a part of.