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"What can I do to get you to vote for Romney?" *Updated*

So at our county central committee last night I was commenting about how the Romney campaign had shot themselves in the foot by the way they treated the RP Republicans.

Later a lady came up to me and told me how desperate she was to get our votes for Romney. "I don't think our country can survive another four years of Obama as president!"

I told her that she was asking a lot of RP Republicans to expect them to turn around and support someone whose campaign had virtually spit in their faces in Tampa and subsequently seemed content to treat us like we didn't exist.

"But what can I do, as an INDIVIDUAL, to win their votes?", she asked.

That had me stumped. I know there were a lot of things I could have said.

I could have told her that she should have been listening to the RP Republicans last January when we were telling her that Ron Paul was the only candidate that could beat Obama.

I could have told her a lot of similar "I told you so's".

But to really answer her question, I was stumped.
I told her I would get back to her.

What should I tell the lady?

Tell her to write to Romney and ask him to start chanting "End the Fed!" at his next rally? Tell him to renounce the new anti-grassroots RNC rules? Tell him to announce that he is no longer going to play ball with the Bilderbergers/CFR/military-industrial-Wall Street complex?

Tell her to forget about it and worry about getting our congressman elected?

I know there is no perfect answer to a question like this. The question itself shows that she doesn't understand the nature of our political situation.

So what should I tell her? What should my message from the RP community be?

============================= UPDATE ============================

Thank you for all of your sincere (and sometimes amusing) comments.
I am sorry I have not had time to read or comment on all of them individually.

Here is my lame but sincere attempt to try to help her (and some of my other committee members)to see the situation through our eyes and maybe get her to help us move the GOP in a positive direction.

"Dear Central Committee Member,

In answer to a question I received at our meeting Monday night (i.e. "What could I do as an individual to persuade Ron Paul Republicans to vote for Romney?"), I think this article might hold part of the answer.

Letters: Conventional Wisdom and Rejection of GOP 'Top-Down' Structure

Ron Paul supporters are an eclectic bunch of individualists who are motivated more by principle than by leadership, even Ron Paul's. I think that is one reason why Ron Paul did not bother to endorse anyone running for president this year. He knew they wouldn't have listened to him anyway.
(By the way, that fact alone should debunk the myth that Ron Paul supporters are in any way a "cult". Whoever heard of a cult where the "exalted leader" can't even order his "followers" to do something as simple as vote for a certain candidate? Think about it.)

Assuming that we can't get Mitt to denounce the disgusting new RNC rules, the next best thing would be to have the grassroots Republicans show some backbone and do it for him.
I know this might seem like a petty issue to many in the GOP. Many of you think the world is going to come to an end if Obama is re-elected. Obviously swing voters are NOT going to share that viewpoint. While many Democrats and Independents are disappointed by Obama's failure to distinguish himself from George Bush on civil rights and foreign wars; the RP Republicans and liberty-leaning Independents are just as disappointed in Romney for his failure to distinguish himself from Obama.

As much as they loathe the prospect of FOUR more years of Obama, they are just as fearful of EIGHT more years of a Bush-style presidency (continual expansion of the "imperial" executive branch, endless foreign wars justified by "American Exceptionalism", skyrocketing national debt caused by blank checks written to the Industrial-Military-Wall Street complex, more liberal social engineering like "No Child Left Behind" or encouraging banks to make bad mortgages to minorities, more erosion of our constitutional rights in the name of "national security",more nation-building and policing the world in the name of U.N. resolutions, more budget-busting, socialism like the Medicaid Part D Prescription program and the TARP bailouts).

Why?
Because the only thing worse than a president like Obama is a president like Obama with an "(R)" behind his name.
Because when a president has an "(R)" behind his name, all of our defenses go down.
Because the Limbaughs and Hannitys and O'Reillys all stop becoming critics and start becoming cheerleaders.
Because no matter how badly the president behaves in office, no matter how many conservative principles he betrays, no matter how many campaign promises he forgets, no matter how many GOP platform planks he ignores; he is STILL the "leader of the GOP", and we fall in rank behind him.

So how can you convince a Ron Paul Republican to vote for Romney?

Convince him that you aren't going to let the Republican Party continue to be a rubber stamp for the elite political insiders.

Convince him that you aren't going to roll over and play dead in four years if Romney behaves like a Republican In Name Only.

Convince him that the good Republicans are fed up with having our most important decisions made in smoke-filled rooms by a handful of party bosses and confirmed by a pep rally (scripted on a teleprompter) disguised as a political convention.

Convince him that Republicans are ready to take control of their own party, instead of following their leaders like sheep to the slaughter.

You might want to start by convincing him that the REPUBLICAN PARTY is not a cult; that we have minds and principles of our own.

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Hmmmmm....

...I read the headline and immediately heard that great retort from Sr. Year of High School in 1975. It was two words...the first word had something to do with the operation of party balloons, the second word was "Me".

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Many of these peeps are very desperate now that reality is

sinking in about Robme's chances. spacehabits will have to be careful about his requirements; should he respond in a more specific way than you outlined generally-she may not bat an eye complying.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Too Funny...

...BTW...my wife was a grad at gmason in 84.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Not too difficult to conjure up

that mental image-lol

My screen name expresses that I wanted the "Bill of Rights" restored in '08 w/ an RP POTUS. That being the true rationale behind that choice-B.S. Econ/Finance '83.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Hi-5

Hi-5

Southern Agrarian

Understand their positions

Understand RP supporters' positions and be able to restate them back.

If she can do that, she'll have had to study.

If she studies, she won't be asking anyone to back Romney anymore.

Outstanding!

I should have said that right up front.
I know this lady thinks she already knows what we believe, but her comment that she could never agree with anyone who wants to "abandon Israel" tells me that she only knows the Fox News caricature of a Ron Paul supporter.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

great comment

by the time it took me to move my mouse to up vote, it went from +1 to +26.

I think this is

definitely on the right track.

Perhaps, in addition to what you suggest, require her to read "Liberty Defined" and "The Creature from Jekyll Island"; watch "The Money Masters" and "The Century of Self" and___________(add your own).

Our ultimate victory in the war will depend on winning enough battles over ignorance of critical truths. These battles are fought most effectively and efficiently by first winning over those that are very politically active/party officeholders.

This may be an opportunity/example that others may have and may wish to emulate.

Kudos mwiegand and kudos to you spacehabits for knowing how to talk to individuals that many, sadly, see as our "enemy".

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

^I like this answer^

Spot on.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

You should figure out your

You should figure out your answer and give it to her, if that's what you wish, but to think you can or should carry a "message from the RP community" back to her baffles me. There are almost as many answers as there are individuals in the community, and for many of us, the paraphrased answer is "absolutely nothing"; for many others, there may actually be something that can be done to win over their support.

Your time would probably be better spent thinking about your own wishes and positions than trying to get in the heads of millions of disparate people and trying to speak for them. One of those tasks you can succeed in; the other you cannot.

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I tell you where I agree with you:

There are almost as many answers as there are individuals in the community, and for many of us, the paraphrased answer is "absolutely nothing"; for many others, there may actually be something that can be done to win over their support.

This is true. But spacehabitats is in a special position here at the DP in being able to poll a variety of Ron Paul supporters on this issue. I think he can bring back a representative sample of what people are thinking.

Marginally speaking, Romney might be a better choice for the next 4 years than Obama, but it is almost the difference between a Quarter Pounder and a Whopper. At least the Whopper has lettuce.
At the same time, voting is such that it will only matter in a handful of states (at least that is what they want us to believe). But in Massachusetts, I can hardly see this state voting for Romney, so for me, it really doesn't matter how I vote, or if I vote at all. Iowa may be a different story.

In the end, I'm afraid I don't have an answer, because I'm not in a position where it would matter. If I were in a swing state, I might have some better ideas. Obviously, if I were in the party apparatus and trying to work my way up, I think the answer would be some kind of a horse trade: You support me for blah blah blah in the future and I'll vote for your guy and you better not doublecross me!!!

In the end, Ron Paul will be blamed because he refused to endorse Romney. But I'm not of the opinion that Obama's got it sewed up... Not yet, anyway. And what would be a disaster would be for Romney to win in spite of not having support from Ron Paul and his supporters. That would just prove our irrelevance.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

If Romney wins it would prove that his investment in Diebold

paid off as indicated on his tax returns. I wonder how it can be pulled off because of how weak he is in the swing States which is where he would have to cook the votes. How gullible are people if this happens or will there be screams of election fraud from the MSM?

Irrelevant we are not.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Thanks to the Romneybots

we will have 4 more years of Obombing around the world. Tell her next time support the Liberty candidate, and they may have our support.

Nothing, no way, no how,

Nothing, no way, no how, never.