Just saw some hilarious GJ BS on here
Submitted by thelastbill on Wed, 10/03/2012 - 08:43Someone said that they were voting for GJ bc he was the lessor of the good candidate available.
Isnt that the same as voting to the lessor of two evils?
I dont give a flying F if write ins arent counted in some states, Ron Paul will get more in write-ins than GJ will on the regular ballot.
Even if write-ins arent counted in your particular state....be a man or woman of principal....thats why we are all here right? We wanted Paul to win the Presidency bc he has principals and values.
Where are your principals and values, damn cowards......
So many of you GJ people are most likely paid staffers, just like on the Rmoney facebook page before the convention.
Stop the BS.
Lessor of two good.....give me a break.
Grow a pair and pick up your proverbial rifle and vote like we all promised....Paul or no one....show the establishment what happens when you alienate and disenfranchise their own.
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Good points
Too bad there isn't a choice of "None of the above". Then we wouldn't have to choose a "lesser of evils"
Ageed.
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Terrific post.
You have said it all and said it so every one should understand.
Like you, I feel a vote for Johnson is the only logical, or even rational, choice.
h-daddy
Thanks
I do try.
Grow UP! Ron Paul gave up, and LOST!
At 60 years old, this is about the loss of liberty and freedom, and NOT about any one fucking man you’ve turned into your little GOD.
It’s about making sure that everyone’s children and grandchildren have the same chance to enjoy the freedom’s we’ve had.
Most of us deeply love and care about Ron Paul. But for the vast majority of us we loved his message even more, because it was 'OUR MESSAGE’ before we found him, not the other way around.
During the campaign, liberty and freedom delegate’s had their bones broken, hips relocated, they were humiliated, despised, including entire delegations "THROWN OUT" of conventions, by the GOP. We paid a price to give liberty and freedom a chance. Some did it mainly for Ron Paul, while others did it strickly for liberty and freedom only.
It wasn't until after the convention in Tampa was over, did we learn Dr. Paul made the decision NOT to take on Mitt. To put it bluntly, while we were being attacked during the campaign, he was deciding to save his reputation instead of fighting Mitt as we were. That is NOT acceptable for me.
I personally don't think he ever really wanted to be "President" in the first place. So, I'm NOT wasting my time any more. He’s a great teacher, and has done a lot for this movement, so let him fricken teach.
What this country needs most right now is a leader with real fucking gusts. A man with a SET OF BALLS behind him, someone who’s not afraid of a real fight. Gary Johnson is the closest thing on the scene at this moment, regarding reflecting my ideals and the dreams I have for my children and grandchildren, so I'm voting for him.
GO Gary Johnson!
The Winds of Change!
lost?
The nomination was stolen from him A hole....
gave up?
Show a link to where he conceded the election.
Also, show another link to where ron paul gave up anything is 30yrs....
Don't worry, I'll wait.
But Gary Johnson WON'T give our children and grandchildren
liberty! He's another fraud!
Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html
Why are you waiting for
Why are you waiting for someone to give you liberty? Doesn't seem very libertarian. And please explain, giving specifics, why you believe Gary Johnson to be a fraud. If Dr. Paul believed Johnson to be a fraud, he wouldn't have said that he is 'wonderful'.
Jason
Happy Libertarian
I was merely responding to the comment claiming
that we need Gary Johnson (vs the other two candidates) to retain our liberties. And I really don't fully trust Ron Paul anymore, so I won't vote for a man just because he says he's wonderful.
Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html
I don't agree
If GJ was that guy, he wouldn't have began the election as a Republican contender AGAINST Ron Paul. He went nowhere as a GOP candidate, so as usual, the LP adopts a Republican who represents the disenfrancised in the GOP and gives them a "safe place".
GJ is not asking you to join the LP. He is not asking you to become future delegate, or to take committee seats. He is not teaching. He is flip flopping because he is running to spare the GOP from Ron Paul rEVOLution. He took Ron Paul's message, twisted it to include the issues people had against Ron Paul.. "Well I really like Ron Paul, BUT his stand on abortion is unlibertarian!". "Well, I really like Ron Paul BUT, same sex couples should have the right to be married..." GJ is setting you up. He's not running to win. You KNOW that. So why vote for GJ? Because it's an easy way out of a good fight Ron Paul has educated us about in C4L.
The GOP lies, cheats and steals and you think, "That's not right, so I will run away from them and allow them to continue to do that without me."
I think, "I'm going to hold these SOBs accountable, by showing upo to the meetings and letting them know.. IT's NOT OK!" It's a WAR and those who ran to GJ are taking the GOP option to leave the war in the name of good conscience.
Some here like to say to me, "They will throw you out". Not without a fight. Right now I have been moving to out them, and my chair has threatened to quit, and I say "QUIT, I'll be happy to chair". I did not back, down, didn't leave, and I won't.
You abandoned the fight when you decided to support GJ instead of going to GOP committee meetings, even as a guest, and holding them accountable, and letting them know, you are not going to let them get away with lying, cheating and stealing.
2013 GJ will return to the GOP and then you will have been dumped. Maybe you will begin to realize that you were played.
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if you were elected to a
if you were elected to a committee as a Ron Paul Republican, why would you give an oath to vote for Liberal, socialist Romney. At that point you lost all respect with me. It would be much better to vote against Romney then to masturbate that vote.. Is Ron Paul going to cast his vote for Romney? Is Ron Paul going to endorse Romney? thats right. You shouldn't either.
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
Oath is to the party by-laws
Section C.. I will support the GOP nominee. The oath is not to Romney.. What if Ron Paul has won? How do you think the Neocons would feel about that oath? We also take an oath to the constitution, and this is where we are having the most fun, reminding them that we took an oath to the consitution.. and this is why and how we are changing the GOP from within.. reminding them to the oaths we took, as they reminded us. Golden Rule.
Ron Paul is not going to say, but Rand did, and those of us who have chosen to fight in the GOP to materialize the message.. yes, we will vote Romney, not FOR Romney, more like For outting Obama.
I look forward to tonight's debate as I expect Romney to begin sounding like Ron Paul.
PS, I have learned how other states removed the loyalty oath, and so now we will move to eliminate the loyalty oaths from our platforms.
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Seriously?
What is wrong with your brain???? GJ entered the GOP primary race BEFORE Dr. Paul. He went no where, like RP in '08, because he got the same treatment from GOP.
IMHO the so called "GOP option" was, and is, doomed to failure. Cite any evidence that it has a chance of succeeding.
h-daddy
GJ entered the primary as a REPUBLICAN
GJ didn't think RP would run again, as millions of others who were with C4L? Where was GJ's brain? Not with Ron Paul.
Now he's doing favors for the GOP, which he will rejoin.
We are not failing in the GOP. We are changing the GOP. The strongest of ALL Ron Paul's supporters are IN THE GOP and fighting to restore the republic. We are not going to leave this FIGHT. WE ARE WINNING. So, sit back and enjoy the show.. because you are going to hear the GOP start sounding more and more like Ron Paul.
It was never about Ron Paul, it was always about materializing the message and that's what we are doing! I love it!
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you've spent time as a Nader socialist
now you're a Ron Paul republican??
which way will the wind blow next for you???
so what if someone was an R and is now LP?
Ron Paul won't endorse romney, why do you?
Sorry, I don't agree with anything you're written!
You have assumed way too much here, young man. The vast majority of Ron Paul supporters were NEVER Republican's in the first place.
Many came over to the "DARK SIDE" because we thought just maybe the Republicans would "WOKE UP" and finally embrace liberty and freeman, it is obvious they chose NOT to.
I am NOT a Replublican, and proud to say it!
"Good Luck" to you anyway, as we both seek the same thing.
The Winds of Change!
It makes you a thief, and GJ is perfect for you
I think it's awesome that you have found a perfect candidate. You didn't do what Ron Paul ASKED all of us to do.. you think you're smarter than Ron Paul, you think you know more about politics than Ron Paul.. Well you don't.
We don't want the same thing. I want to win. You want to play games.
You are letting the GOP get away with lying, cheating and stealing by being a proud coward and fool. I'm not.
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Granger, has this problem
Granger, has this problem where she lies pathologically. Just look at how many times she trots out the claim that Ron Paul told us to all join committees and become delegates. Then look at what Ron Paul actually said,
http://www.dailypaul.com/176742/what-it-takes-to-win-ron-paul
"People ask, 'What should I do?'"
"Do whatever you want. Do what you think is important. Everybody is an individual.
The most important thing is the responsibility of yourself and to study and read, and understand it, and how to explain it and convert people. Then, make a decision. Being a participant in Campaign for Liberty is pretty important, and keeping that going, and getting more groups, and more organizations..."
"Our efforts, should, in order to win, what we have to do is continue campaigning for liberty and get more people to agree with us."
Also, check out this part of his speech from UCLA to 10,000 supporters where he says the same exact thing.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=vKsax4v_k_g
Or, check out this speech from 5 years ago where his message is that the most important thing for people to do is to educate themselves about libertarianism and Austrian economics, and to spread the message to others. This is the same message he has been giving for as long as I've been following him. Granger, for whatever reason, needs to believe that she is doing what Ron Paul wants all of us to do, and anyone who isn't doing the same thing as her is not doing what he wants.
For a guy who supposedly wants all of us to join GOP committees, like Granger, you have to wonder why he never mentions it any of the speeches he gives. Not only does he not mention it, he goes out of his way to say that education of yourself and then others about libertarianism is the most important thing you should do, and that you should do what you want as far as politics is concerned.
Granger is a liar, rude, and disrespectful. She thinks that her way is the only way. The sad thing is I have no problem with people joining a committee and becoming a delegate, but she takes it to this despicable level with her constant nonsense, and it makes people question that strategy simply because they don't want to be associated with people like her.
I just realized that I forgot
I just realized that I forgot to put the link for the speech from 5 years ago for the LVMI.
http://mises.org/media/2241/Changing-the-World
Didn't you read OK campaign coordnator Al Gerhard's post?
Al explained that as a C4L director he taught people to become credential delegates... he prooved my case.
Ron paul's way is the only way to win. Do what you want. I'm in to win and I will THANK's S TO RON PAUL: Off the street and in a seat!
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one pathological liar
using another pathological liar to back up the lies.
how pathetic
Everyone notice how Granger
Everyone notice how Granger never shows a single video of Ron Paul saying that he thinks all people should join a GOP committee. She doesn't ever show a video because it doesn't exist. The guy has given tons of speeches where he talks about what he thinks is important for people do to, but in none of those does he talk about it being important to join a GOP committee. Does that mean he thinks nobody should do that? No. As he has said numerous times, he thinks we need libertarians in all areas, and brings up teaching and media a lot as good options. I'm sure he thinks people joining the GOP is a perfectly fine strategy, but that doesn't change the fact that Granger is lying through her teeth every time she repeats the BS claim from above.
Now, instead of Granger being a decent human being, and helping others who choose her path, while at the same time being respectful and encouraging to other libertarians who choose a different path, she would rather continue to be a belligerent, self-righteous, delusional, liar.
Read Al Gerharts post
He was a C4L leader and tells us that his job was to teach people to become credentialed delegates. The training vidios are not gone, that's why I'm not going to post one. You didn't join C4L, you didn't take the training, and were sleeping.
That's fine with me if you want to sleep. Ron Paul has given us a mission, "Restore the Republic", and he chose the arena for the fight, THE GOP. If you've decided that open debates are more important and want to support red herring GJ, enjoy.
It's not going to stop me and hundreds like me from our mission.
No matter how you see me, I will continue to be me. DO WHAT YOU WANT.
http://www.dailypaul.com/256960/what-really-happened-in-okla...
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What are you talking about? I
What are you talking about? I love how you change direction every time I expose this constant lie of yours. I mention nothing about Gary Johnson, in fact, I've stated multiple times that I'm not voting, but you want bring up his name and bash him when it has no bearing on anything I've said. Too bad you don't bash Romney with the same gusto as you do Gary Johnson.
Also I brought up nothing about open debates. It seems like you just want to talk about anything other than what Ron Paul has actually said numerous times. The fact remains that Ron Paul thinks libertarians should most importantly educate themselves about our philosophy and Austrian economics, and that we should do whatever we think is best from there. He specifically mentions becoming teachers or joining the media as important places for libertarians to be involved in. Nothing you say has changed this fact. Like I said before, you're all activism without the understanding of libertarian philosophy and Austrian economics. Maybe you should focus on educating yourself about those things, it is what Ron Paul said is the most important thing we can do, after all.
just like the establishment scum
you want to win above all else. principles be damned, constitution be damned, civility be damned, logic be damned, this country be damned, because you are willing to compromise all those things to win.
Yes, actually I do!
I would have never backed down from Romney!
The Winds of Change!
Right
You never got in the fight to begin with.
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I think we are all in the fight
each in our own way..
"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012 Intellectual Revolution.
I know
But I also know, as I face these Neocons, and fight over resolutions, inniatives, and platform on the inside, that those on the outside are not IN the fight.
It's the difference of being On a football team and being in the bleachers... you are watching from a safe place. I am not.
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