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Why won't certain people wake up even after extreme overexposure to the truth?

Ok so I have showed my mom literally over 50 different videos since 2008 about Ron Paul, the NWO, the corruption, Agenda 21, etc. She's watched Freedom to Fascism, the Ron Paul movie that I cant remember the name of right now, and Invisible Empire. I've talked to her over 100 times about what's really going on. She kinda sorta accepts it, but then within minutes she goes back to obliviousness, for example she is watching the Obama and Romney debate as we speak and even after all that exposure she still wishes Gingrich would have won.

Are some people just idiots? I don't get it.

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Just another conspiracy theory..

I'm of the opinion, that there is a less complicated process at work.
When you confront a person with the facts of reality, on a subject they have little or no substancial knowledge of, a quick mental calculation places you in the minority, and when all external indicators point to the majority view, the need to endure mental and emotional conflict is averted.

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This ->

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." ~ Michael Rivero

freedom requires

freedom requires responsibility.

Leave your Self in

the loving care of your Lord & Creator.
Proverbs 18:10 The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe. (KJV)

"Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long ~ ~ ",
5th Commandment, Exodus 20:12.

carry a strong dose of present day reality =
"The Terrible Specter of the Dreadful Few." =

My question are we

really awake? Maybe, we are being played and don't know it. I am thinking it may be impossible to be fully awake.

Waking up is hard to do. It is like a ship sinking, many passengers will freeze in fear unable to comprehend the danger.

Maybe, it isn't as important to be awake but be a good swimmer or wearing a lift vest.

I don't think this ship of state can be saved, don't be hard on yourself or your mom.

Love your mom and do what you can to prepare, some things are out of our control. Good luck

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Are you calling your mom an

Are you calling your mom an idiot?
How old is she?

Southern Agrarian

My Journey

My journey began with dismissal of these theories all toghether. I did not WANT to believe the system was so corrupt and tilted towards those in power. I really wanted to think, "If we just get the right people in office." The pushed me into a steady stream of political activism for a few years, then reality set in. Depression, anxiety, sadness, the whole nine yards. It was, and still is, a dark place. Crossing over the threshhold into that darkness was something that I resisted for quite some time.

I relate it to the 7 steps of grief;

Shock and denial
Pain and guilt
Anger and bargaining
Depression, reflection, loneliness,
The upward turn
Reconstruction and working through
Acceptance and hope

I am somewhere inbetween stages 5 and 6, but I do know for a fact that the seeds that have been planted about how the two party system is one in the same have been germinating in the minds of those I touched. Hang in there, there is just much denial out there, which is so much easier than the pain and guilt phase.

"By lack of understanding they remained sane"

Perhaps this is a good place for this quote from 1984:

“In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything. . .”

1984, Part 2, Chapter 5
George Orwell

I have total empathy

for your situation. I feel so alone in this stuff with my family and most friends that it's become kind of depressing. I usually just avoid the subject(s)because it just makes for bad feelings.
Cognitive dissonance, an unscrupulous media that divides and incites hatred, and decades (certainly true of me good ol' mum) of thinking they've got it all figured out...I'm just sick of even discussing stuff.

If Fox 'news' smoothed out all the bad stuff she ever heard about Satan, if he's an establishment (R), mom would vote for him.

Here Is Your Answer: Cognitive Dissonance

Here Is Your Answer: Cognitive Dissonance

Also: The mind has a Self-Protecting Mechanism that blocks-out information that may be too unpleasant.

That is why many people would say: I don't want to talk about that.

Because it is unpleasant, emotionally disturbing and can be hurtful.

People like their "Emotional Comfort Zone".

You take them out of there and it is like taking a fish out of water:

The fish wants to get back in the water immediately.

It takes a person of very Strong Spirit to deal with unpleasant knowledge.

But some of us have become Flying Fish :)

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Well said

I think many a long article should be written on this concept until people start to think about it daily at the very least.

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100 Points cuz you beat me to it!

His name is Edward Snowden

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Yes, This is the Answer.....

You hit the nail on the head. I've studied this area and it makes perfect sense. Your subconscious mind acts as a filtering mechanism on your perception of the world. It works in accordance with your emotions and beliefs, creating your own unique subjective map of reality that is different from everyone else. If somebody experiences something that doesn't align with their own subjective version of reality, their subconscious mind will filter it out.

That's why you can state facts to people until you're blue in the face and they'll say "Yeah but...." They're seeing only what they want to see and nothing else. The only way to get them to truly understand what you're talking about is to change their subconscious filters, their beliefs. Then their subconscious mind will no longer block out these details. Instead they'll see the world through a new lens. That's what Ron Paul did for many of us. He woke us up to a new reality.

This reminds me of a Mark

This reminds me of a Mark Twain quote, "It's much easier to fool people than it is to convince them they've been fooled." haha.

I know how you feel though buddy, my parents are pretty much like that. Back in 07 or 08 my dad couldnt stand Ron Paul, my mom even told me he flipped off some Paul supporters when they were waving signs at the corner like an a-hole.. now I can say he is a neo-con in recovery and he even posts pro Ron Paul stuff on his facebook now and then. There is hope, just keep hammering away! Peace.

That's A Great Quote


"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I think so.

My father is the same way. I've showed him tons of videos and articles and he agrees with about 90% of them, but when he hears propaganda from the talk show hosts (his favorites are Limbaugh and Savage) and Fox News he switches his thoughts back to "Obama must be defeated" and "If we don't get Obama out we won't have a country." He repeatedly forgets that the two-party system is a hoax designed to lock people into voting for puppets.

It makes me sick. I've gotten to the point where I won't discuss politics with my family because they're all so hot-tempered and stubborn that all I will accomplish is making everyone mad.

Cognitive Dissonance

It's hard to either change your lifelong views and easy to accept the your life's views. Once you've solidified 60 or 70 years into your head you won't want change either.

I've got my parents to change a little, but think of it if you were their age. Little time left to live, why not live in ignorance/bliss?

Plus they had so much propaganda shoved into their noggin it's stuck.

My family has long since voted democrat and my mother is actually going to vote for Romney. While I agree both Romney and Obama are the wrong choice I gave my mom a pat on the back for thinking different than usual. She actually told me the Paul videos she watched changed her mind as far as party, but she is voting along R party lines.

So I told her I support the decision she makes but don't vote on party lines. Evidently my Dad is giving her a real hard time to vote for D so I got both on the phone and told them to vote for whomever they wish but don't bicker over it.

I wonder if parties flip flop every generation. On my dad's side my grandfather was a democrat but my grandmother now a republican who hordes money and my dad begrudges her for that. I try to tell my dad she grew up in the depression and we may be in one at the moment and not to sweat it and enjoy her while she's alive. Let her horde her money. I would. Older people are generally more wise until a certain point. She hasn't reached that point although she's passed life expectancy by a long shot.

She sees we hit a bust then a boom and another bust in her lifetime. She knows what to do in a bust. I've told her to leave her estate to my cousin, a single mom. I am a single dad but my cousin is in dire straights. She lives in Nevada (probably in better areas than I) but she's a single mom and needs the cash to better her family. I can fend for myself. I have come under tremendous assault from my family with my views but I think it's the best thing to do.

My main deal is the house should remain in the family. So if my cousin takes control of the estate she needs to move to Atherton/Menlo and find a new job and retain the home.

Therein lies the problem. The home may be liquidated. And it's worth at least 3.5 mil.

My cousin likes drugs. She may liquidate the property and kill herself. I dislike drugs and I would like to live there. But she needs it more if she didn't use drugs. If things go as my family pronounces, the property will be sold, I will receive a part. Which will give me the money to buy property somewhere and live sustainably.

But I really like the house and half acre a whole bunch and would rather not give it to Mark Zuckerberg. I'd rather have it given to my drug addicted cousin with the contingency that it can't be sold. That's where my family gets pissed. They want the money. Money buys misery.

Property is peace and happiness.


And the old adage remains...

You can lead a horse to water...


I think most people don't have the guts to admit when they've been wrong. It takes someone with very strong character to admit that, and most can't do it.

Although I think that's partially true...

...I have seen some other things. My dentist for instance, saw a few movies that showed him truth. He said he believes it but isn't ready to accept that our government has that much bad in it. I have heard others respond in the same manner. They aren't "ready" to accept the truth and are "hoping" things will get better.

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And the magnitude of this phenomenon is most often in direct proportion to the total, cumulated duration of PASSIVE exposure to mainstream media's content.

Go figure.

Formula Proposal :

In-Denial (minima) = ( MSM_Content * Viewing_Time ) / IQ

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I think an often overlooked reason is pride.

I agree that some are simply indoctrinated or brainwashed, if you will.But I believe many people are just too proud to consider or admit it when they are wrong.I think many people are determined to keep rooting for Team Democrat or Team Republican and will always grasp for excuses or try to deflect blame when you challenge the motives and actions of their favorite political team members.Many people just find it so painful to swallow their pride and admit they are wrong on just about ANY issue.I have been guilty of this myself,and once I became aware of the "spirit" or "feeling" of pride I found myself constantly trying to keep it in check.It is not easy,but just being AWARE of pride has given me such a better understanding on why people act,think and feel the way they do.
Here is one point I often bring up to people I know who can't seem to understand why I won't vote for Obama or Romney.I tell them it should NOT be the responsibility of U.S. troops to police and nation build other sovereign nations.I tell them that both Obama and Romney refuse to bring our troops home from Afghanistan, which will directly lead to the deaths of more troops and civilians.I tell them I won't vote for Obama or Romney because I believe the lives of troops and civilians are more important than voting for Obama or Romney.Of course,most of us here have many other good reasons to not vote for Obama or Romney.But if a fellow human won't be swayed by a truly life and death issue such as this,they are going to be hard to reach.But give them a little time,sometimes their pride or indoctrination can be overcome by their conscience leading them to accept the truth.
I think it is always a good idea to make the effort to win more hearts and minds to the principles of truth,freedom and peace,no matter who wins the election.Some people are better reached in personal conversations.Other people are better reached by reading literature.And of course, a great way to reach people,as proven on the internet,is by spreading videos that clearly champion our shared principles.I hope that soon we can all get behind and fund a great ad/video that clearly champions our shared principles and make it go viral on tv and on the internet,nationwide and worldwide.

Lost Souls

But if a fellow human won't be swayed by a truly life and death issue such as this, he is going to be hard to reach.

What gets me is the person who does care but remains obstinate in learning relationships between concepts and concepts the enslavers put into practice. To think conceptually, apparently, is a great task for most people. Of course I think it isn't great but is normal for the human. It's just that so darned few people think. They're automated, essentially.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.


Your last sentence sounds like your calling Mom an idiot. Don't go there!

Anyway, don't get discouraged! We have had many more years of brainwashing and it takes a little longer to deprogram all the garbage put in the brain. Our brains are just like computers. We can have to much memory and little space to store new and when it's so full it takes longer to clean up. Seriously, it's true. I am an example of it. It took a few years for the truth to seep in although I understood most of it from the beginning.

If she hasn't seen anything on media mind control, that would be a good one to show her next time.=)

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probably get a little further if you'd stop eating that damn cat food. It's hard to take someone seriously when they're crunchin' on a bowl of meowmix.....;)

Many times people have their self esteem tied to their world view. I run into it often with my liberal older sister and neocon older brother.

My mother who I consider mostly awake, can still watch an Ohmamma speech and say things like "he seems so sincere, like he's trying to do a good job."

Of course then I joke about a hidden antenna in the cable box that must have scrambled her brain. (I do believe that BHO is trained in NLP which is a form of hypnosis)

I generally take the position of having "no pride invested in the argument" and how I would LOVE to be wrong on much of this subject matter. All you can do is try and plant some seeds and agree that time will ultimately tell.

Now that the European economy is floundering, my sister in Italy seems to be more interested in what I have to say, because I told her it was coming a few years ago. She can still be thick as a brick when it comes to trying to break through to her.

It gets frustrating because we seem to be running out of time, and you don't want to see your loved ones hurt by their own (sometimes willful) ignorance. I've just tried to take the lead and have bought them (parents) silver and storable food and persuaded them to find a place to store it. They're already good on the self defense, as many Texans are.

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The Inversion

The Inversion

"The sensitivity of men to small matters, and their indifference to great ones(*), indicates a strange and worrisome inversion."

-- Blaise Pascal

(*) http://www.youtu.be/xQwYgi2FBUE

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

That inversion you referenced

That inversion you referenced is perversion.

Astute quote, Lysiandad.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

"but i'm just one person, i

"but i'm just one person, i don't make a difference."

One trick I've used that

One trick I've used that seems to penetrate is to only talk about issues they care about. But it requires more self-education on our behalf. Any issue they have- be it the poor education system or never having any money- you must be able to explain it in terms of liberty, ie the education system would be better with more competition and less government subsidies and everyone would be more wealthy if the fed stopped debasing the currency.

Its vital not to overwhelm these people and to only focus on issues they care about. Explain it all in liberty terms and eventually they will see the trend.

+1. I do that. Even today I


I do that. Even today I did that to a neighbor. He nodded in agreement, but then when I brought up a topic -- spy agency covert operations -- regarding what he said, The people in the Middle East are crazy because they bomb each other, he then said, Well, that's your opinion, it's what you've studied. Of course I said, Well, yes, it is because what I had been reading, watching and seeing with my eyes throughout the years was insufficient and feeds a history known as accidental history, where there are no relationships between events in the past and now, no patterns. He repeated what he said and then another neighbor came by and the subject changed. I'm tired dealing with idiots and I have no problem saying to you guys, people who think, that people who behave how my neighbor did are idiots. It's conversations such as the one I had with my neighbor that irk me enough to think, OK, you bastard, I hope you get your statist healthcare and get it soon -- goodbye to you. That's just how I feel at the moment. Argh.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.