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Rand Paul Interview on Jon Stewart's Daily Show (10/3/12)

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Too bad

Stewart won't let him get a word in edge-wise.

Rand brings up absurdity of raw milk prosecution, and dork boy makes a joke.

(I guess JS is at least honest when he says his show is ONLY about entertainment; too bad cool people actually waste their time going on air.)

What would the Founders do?

I Don't

watch John anymore or Bill Mayer or Tom Hanks or Samuel L Jackson, or Angelina Jolie or well, the list goes on and on. Boycotting traitors.

skippy

This is not good.

Rand is wayyyy too cozy bantering about with Stewart. It's like they are old buddies; like WWF characters who act as opponents for the crowd, for the show.

Rand's approach to this was completely "mainstream." He even had prototypical liberal Jon Stewart agreeing with him on many accounts. Their conversation quickly got down to ways to tinker with and adjust the statist status quo. It was about "sensible regulation," something both the Establishment left and the right always advocate.

If Rand were true to Liberty he would have addressed this whole issue on a philosophical level, as his dad always has. The question is NOT whether government regulations are sensible or not. The question is whether the federal government should even be acting in the role of regulator at all. We have property rights and tort law to deal with those who would injure others' persons or property. But Rand brings up none of this...

Rand made no attempt to explain how the free market has its own inherent regulatory structure. Any attempt by government to augment this regulation ends up causing unintended distortions in the system, and creates a brand new series of problems... which will then get its own set of new regulations as a "fix" for the initial regulation. And then, here we go again, the same old broken system, all over again.

I'm deeply disappointed in Rand Paul. Sure, he may be better than 98% of the others on Capitol Hill, but that's not saying much. In him the apple has fallen too far from the tree for my liking and -- more importantly -- for my trust.

Rand is arguing for wiser

Rand is arguing for wiser regulations and that our regulations are overzealous. These arguments are destroyed by liberals who think Wall Street is not nearly regulated enough. So what is a wise regulation? Bankruptcy law, contract law, fraud law. Laws are wise regulations. So I agree that we have too many regulations, but the cause is that the regulations that actually work are ignored. Also, with more regulations comes more loop holes, meaning that people have to come up with creative ways to get around stupid regulations and the response is to make more stupid regulations and you have a positive feedback cycle. Whereas, if we enforced the laws that actually work, that is, laws of free markets, then we would reduce the size of government and prevent robbers from seeing the opportunity to go to the auction.

Since I do not have an entirely clear understanding yet, I wish Rand could speak to my level, but perhaps he is keeping it really simple for the benefit of the many who think we just do not have enough regulations numbers-wise. I already know quality is better than quantity, but MANY Americans simply are blind to the problem of regulations.

Stewart pointed out that stories of gov't helping people never

get attention.

Rand should have pointed out that stories of govt attrocities never get much press either. Like giving smallpox blankets to people or experimenting on the citizens of St. Louis in the name of national security.

Romney says he will never apologize for America. Maybe we should learn how to.

When government "helps"

they always rob someone else.

Heh, you are missing what isn't seen

If Rand had a clue about market regulated by strictly consumers i.e. free market economics, he'd know to counter by pointing out that a band of thieves too can rob a whole village and then use a small portion of the loot to feed two homeless people doing some good but it doesn't make their thievery right.

Stewart is making the classic mistake of noting only what is seen but ignoring what isn't. All the indisputably good that government can do is done at the expense of someone else and since government is terribly inefficient, lacks responsibility for bad decisions and is run with people no smarter than anyone else, it will always do a worse job than a free market could if it were just left alone to sort itself out. Not to mention stealing can never be a solution to anything.

It's a shame Rand thinks smart regulations are needed.

Listening to liberals makes

Listening to liberals makes my ears hurt.

Hey John Liebowitz, how 'bout you do your own homework as to where to dine this evening. Why is it society's problem to make sure you eat at 5 star restaurants while the proles eat conventional food laced with pesticides.

They don't even realize the hypocrites that they are.

Rand is our best hope, folks

Other than the Romney endorsement....that he only did after it became crystal clear that Ron would not win, I cant find anything to make me disprove of Rand. His voting record and rhetoric are mutual-he does what he says, and 98% of the time its for the libertarian/fiscal conservative cause. He needs to run in 2016. We cant lose since this country needs hard austerity.

Then we are doomed

Like how he "helped" his dad?

or...

common sense, constitutional, limited federal governing ;)

Contradiction

I thought Rand was contradicting himself. Instead of making the argument for less regulation, he started arguing for more reasonable or sensible regulation.

You'd think Jon Steward would get it by now

It is annoying. Whatever.

wtf is wrong with J

wtf is wrong with J Stewart?

He is agreeing with Rand, and keeps saying "well i agree with you, but other people are saying "tyranny vs freedom" and thats too extreme"

rand: i agree
john: i agree
rand: i agree
john: but what about those other people who said...

OMG, its hard to watch Stewart debate Rand about someone else saying something else

Innocent people

The Iranian people just lost 70% of the value of their currency and are at this moment in the streets protesting against their government. These innocent people can no longer afford necessities like food or medicine with only 30% of the value of their money left. I would have asked Rand how his "yes" vote to put the additional monetary sanctions (the US banks froze their out of country bank accounts) is working for him now? His father would NEVER have voted yes on the additional sanctions because Ron Paul knows that it only hurts the people, not the government.

I believe Rand was the lone

I believe Rand was the lone "No" vote in the most recent round of sanctions voting.

So NOW he thinks sanctions are

wrong?? Why the flip flop?

Stewart is slanted...

but whats new

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

When Rand...

gets burned by the republican establishment he is going to be so angry, and it will be awesome. Realize that Rand thinks his approach is a sound one, he believes in it, but he is (in my opinion) is not bound to it. Eventually this inside the party play will backfire, he will be used, and eventually go to the users, who will not give him what he wants. Upon realizing that his efforts where for not, and coming to the conclusion that he must do something, he will then become the most militant defender of liberty, who outs the entire system for its fallacious nature in perhaps the most controversial third party presidential campaign ever, which fundamentally alters both the electoral process and the waking consciousness of an entire nation.

...one can dream right?

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

The Revolution: In Brief

I can never seem to ignore the views of others when displayed by either the writer themselves denouncing the path Rand Paul has taken or the DownVote of a comment that brings question to or hope for Rand Paul's plight. Bitter taste begets bitter face. The revolution commands a more mature understanding. A higher level of thinking then that of the Founding Fathers. They played the hand of establishment insider. That's how it all starts.
Rand Paul's father spent 40 years and then some educating. Bring babies into the world and standing up for our rights, that's what he did. You have to be a very strong man to do that. Don't you think? Whether we know it or not, that stubbornness and determination affects and influences others around them. I don't cast a aspersions on Rand because i can see by the day what he does on the floor and has and is still pushing an effort to get a REAL VICTORY in this Revolution: An Audit of the FED!
Much of the Effort from the C$L (that is not a typo) has been stifled by the grassroots (US) no longer supporting it. Which is justified. Yet, that gives us no credence to Allow that effort to fail or any effort that WE KNOW can only bring good! If any of you are here and are actually reading these words, you get that all of this mess we call "America" has had its roots eaten alive by MONEY. Proliferated fascism at the federal and at times state level: Money. Never ending economic divides that control the flow of power: Money. Ignorance run a muck in the media, in the classrooms, and in the streets: Money. Constant struggles amongst nations killing millions in the name of "Freedom" and "Security", but all for the acquisition of resources: Money. And the direct assaults on our health choices and personal liberty: So the Money Manipulators may control our bodies and someday our minds!
No less then complete ventilation of these people and there acts from "our" system of government is our finish line! The question is going to be clear soon and that question is this: By what means our we willing to see that finish line and who is going to be there to cross it? To Many this question could not spread fast enough to those who CONSTANTLY argue semantics over Elections and Debates and the like when "All the Worlds a Stage". This election is rigged. We All Know It. Really, the only Time you should look at that Sh!t is to find the Lies, or the little bit of truth they till when they run their mouths about "the plan".
You are all falling for the distractions, again. Much worst than before because then it was to blind us, now it's in the effort to stop US. The first two years of this movement was extraordinary. People were waking up and and calling out BS Left and Right. You couldn't hold in the emotions every time you thought of the things people were accomplishing. This revolution was becoming influential. And if you knew of Ron Paul pre-2007, you thought (because of the media) his campaign was going to be just like the efforts of the past: broken and discarded, only with the stakes ever higher. None could possibly have predict what was going to happen. In the words of the man himself it was "beyond my wildest dreams".
Now we have turned against each other. For more or less bitter reasons. Voting and candidate factions, policy and principle factions, even right and wrong factions. Why? Do WE not remember why we do what we do? Why we even have a website like this to vent our passions, not our prejudice?
Bearing Witness since the beginning,I have become sadden to what is infesting our beloved revolution. Much like my family in the mid-nineties, when my grandfather passed away and the family began drifting apart, the same is starting with the relationships between many old and new patriots as Dr. Paul leaves the "political stage". I can see it as plan as day. We all have something at stake and "it all has to do with money". Don't Let them brake you by Divide and Conquer. Don't be fooled into capitulating who is the "Real Enemy" according to the box in your living room.

YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!!

Don't Fail the Revolution Because Ron Paul's Son chose a different path. Or because leaders within his campaign ranks jew'd the grassroots towards the end of it. The grassroots got Ron Paul nominated on the floor of the convention and forced them to break their own rules. That's Influence. That's Power. To a curtain degree Rand Paul has done the same in the Senate. I respect him for that.
But We are the mobilizers. We are the Founding fathers. Those who set the pace, determines the out come. Get back on track and RESTORE AMERICA NOW!

~Good Night, And Good Luck~

yep..

he thinks he can somehow double as two people under the radar of the Neo-cons, its beyond naive

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

well he did

get the audit fed bill to the house...this was something no one was able to do before...I think his inside approach and ron still active and standing his ground and staying consistant like always...as rand works the inside and uses more of the "play nice" approach is brilliant...as the people wake up and he puts pressure from the inside things can actually start changing...they already have...as long as rand dont cave in and stays vigil...im all for it and think its great...his dad is playing "king maker" as well ...the message keeps spreading and the people become more resistant, paying attention and being proactive...i think he is brilliant and calling him naive is a little close minded.

If we can get better politicans like we are doing now with justin amash...ted cruz and kurt billings and more....and the people actualy sign petitions and call ...email...and pressure their so-called officials..with rand working inside, he can actually gain ground...and of course ron with his message that will keep spreading and resonating with the people everyday! rand is a genius like his father ...he just taking a different path.

As long as rand is staying true to the libetry movement why not back him?...his issues are in line mostly with his dad...he just makes them sound less extreme...if he can change anything at all...even if its "just a start" getting things going in the right direction is good! like "end the fed" changed to "audit the fed" knowing auditing would ultimately end it! no one is like ron paul...he straight forward tell it like it is no compramising approach is awesome for people like us...but sadly most americans are dumb...asleep...and heads buried in the sand...so to get some of them to pay attention you have to dumb things down and make them seem less extreme..rand is good at this!

I think instead of bashing him we should take advantage of every possible path to liberty...this country needs all the help it can get...and rand is still fighting the good fight even if it seems naive to some!

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves...the land of liberty needs a regime change!

I hope you're right,

considering Ron supported Reagan and he didnt receive a lot of heat for it, maybe Rand wont receive blowback either for appearing to have been collectivized.

The process im sure rewards Rand for this, but sometime the line will have to be drawn and Rand will have to make a choice between whats good for the people and whats good for the Paul's

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

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Nice scenario. I was actually surprised by

how well composed, relaxed, and quick Rand was. He has grown a lot as a public speaker since he's been a senator.

Hmm ...

First, Jon Stewart has become a disappointment. He's a funny guy. A comedian, even. He does a comedy show. Yeah, I get it. But there comes a point when he is pretending to do a serious discussion for 5 minutes, and as soon as the disucssion actually gets to a point of real issues, he cracks a joke and keeps his distance from real conversation that could actually have an effect on the audience.

Then, Rand Paul. It seems like at some point in the past, Rand took a look at his dad's 40-year life in politics and concluded that the "all-or-nothing" approach didn't really accomplish much. And it seems like he has decided to try stealth mode.

I realize a lot of people think Rand is a sell out. But consider this. What if there were enough Rand types, or even hard core Tea Party types, in Congress, and they passed a law that is seemingly not that important but would actually majorly wake up people. One such law would be to repeal withholding tax, so that everyone just pays one bill to the government in April each year. The screams and howls would be ear-shattering as people feel the real impact of all that government theft of their money.

Personally, I think it has to be a cultural shift in thinking, and I don't think Rand's method is best. But, I can see the argument he might give and it is not an unreasonable one.

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Rand did allright, not great

Rand did allright, not great and not terrible. Stewart is a big neo-liberal, he would make any one here look "Kooky" Maybe a few people will check out Rand's book, it's actually pretty sweet.

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

anectodal evidence goes both ways...

Onset of Lactose intolerance is most likely a result of age in most cases, since all mammals produce lactase in infancy but gradually lose it as they age except for some percentage of the human population which has developed the ability to process it into adulthood because of the beneficial advantage from the domestication of cows.

My mother had the opposite experience as your child -- once she moved to a rural area with farms and nothing but raw milk, she developed lactose intolerance. But she was 16-18 years old at the time, which is a normal age to first experience symptoms -- the increased consumption of milk in that environment exacerbated the symptoms. The rawness of the milk was irrelevant.

(not that people might not have taste or health preferences for raw milk and thus should be legal. However, the lactose content of the milk are unchanged).

Oh for heaven's sakes

You Rand haters go on Jon Stewart's show and have 2 microseconds to explain your train of thought, and see how successful you are. Jeez lol

You are just a Rand hater hater.

Hater. Like it?

Some people wouldn't be happy

if Rand Paul said "I" instead of "we", then there would be something else wrong with him. Stop being so self righteous. Don't expect him to be perfect, nobody is. As the Apostle Paul said, "We are in this world not out of it". If 50% of the Senate thought and voted like Rand Paul,this country wouldn't have any problems. Be glad he's there and working for the country.

We are in another war for our Independence.