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What will the collapse realistically look like in America?

We all hear of this inevitable collapse of our economy, and quite possibly our liberties, from just about everybody. What I don't really hear being talked about or asked is what this collapse will actually look like. Things like: will there be mass starvations? Will we be fighting off rioters? Will we just not get to eat out as much, or will we all be living in vans down by the river?

Does anybody have realistic insight into this so we may all gain a clearer picture of what is apparently to come?

Thank you,
Brandon




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everything is subtle, a trick orwell even didn't fully grasp...

as land use planning controls are tightened on county commissions, as the petro dollar crashes environmental uncertainty will increase. The T-Bill market will have to be sustained... to do that they will have to sustain housing and school loans. This can only be done with more locally driven taxes as the feds will claim they're bankrupt, but they will hold onto power. The county commissions will then be given power over land use to the extent of marking quotas and sanctions of excess, people will be suppressed in the cities until they turn to gangs to import food they can seed themselves into cities, the agricultural zones will be hardest to control as their will be less eminent domain in those areas. Food will be more scarce and cities will be much more closed off from the countryside-- claiming the country is not to be touched by people, but only corporations whose efficiencies are above the interest of individuals.

those in the countryside will turn to permaculture and hopefully out pace the cities in technology.

thats my outlook on it.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

Go to peakprosperity.com.

Go to peakprosperity.com. From my perspective, they have the most intelligent analyses of what's going to happen and how to prepare for it.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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You could read John William's Hyperinflation Report 2012 on

shadowstats.com - that gives you a very good idea.

Debbie

Kidding right? What will the

Kidding right? What will the collapse look like? Have you not been watching the news the last several years???

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We're 90% there.

If you live in Detroit or by the southern border you're already there.

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Since human nature hasn't changed...

down through the ages, I think we can look at accounts of what it was like when the Old Roman Empire collapsed.

Life was nasty, brutish, and short.

I saw a documentary on this period after the collapse of the Roman Empire, and it scared the Bejeezus out of me.

One thing I know for sure is that all those altruistic social justice people will be nowhere to be found. Their dream utopia will turn out to be hell on earth.

Minnesota Mary

What was the documentary

What was the documentary called? It sounds informative.

maybe

Here's my thoughts

The DHS just purchased 450 million hollow-point 40cal rounds. That's the Dept. of HOMELAND Security. That should tell you something.

Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo would have conquered the entire planet & implemented their "brave new world" complete with genocide for those they considered genetically inferior (that's everybody else). Europe couldn't stop 'em, China couldn't stop 'em. They almost succeeded.

The US was instrumental at bringing the madness to an end.

For almost 70 years the globalists have been trying to reduce America to such a state of weakness that we would lack both the means and the will to stop another attempt. If you don't believe me, try a quote from a book 50 years ago:

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power--Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."
- U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, his book No Apologies, 1964

Mr. Goldwater was trying to wake us up to exactly has happened since the 40's. Academia is dominated by the politically correct, central banking has devastated our economy, Marxism has swallowed our constitution and Islam is the new politically correct religion of our day.

The 2008 collapse wasn't just a coincidence. It may not have been expected by the ptb, but the policies that led up to it were designed to destroy America. We're under siege not unlike a nation facing a military challenge. But it's from within. The trojan horses of the apocalypse are within the gates.

What will America look like when it collapses? We've already collapsed. Business after business is going out of business. It's nearly impossible to comply with the enormous number and complex nature of regulations both state and federal. Those employers that are still in business are working their employees overtime because government regulations impose employee thresholds and employers don't want to enter the next rung up. It's all designed to prevent America from being able to respond to the coming effort to achieve global domination.

NATO is being compromised and diverted from it's original purpose. Israel will stand alone against the 22 muslim nations surrounding them, China isn't going to be an ally this time because we're in debt to them up to our eyeballs with nothing to pay them back with. America's entire indebtedness has been a big con game and when other nations realize they've been had, they're not going to stand beside us either.

Does the DHS purchase of 450 million bullets make more sense now?

Ron Paul could have preserved America, but we all saw the election fraud take place from the top down.

This is too long already and I've got an appointment, so I've gotta go. My recommendation? Stay righteous and faithful to Christ. Become self-sufficient, drill a well, get solar panels, get off the grid. In 2018 things will change, and in 2023 things will get better for a few years until 2034. After that I won't be here, and I hope you won't be either. Sorry I can't explain, but I really do have to get outa here.

If men are not governed by God, they will be ruled by tyrants.
- William Penn

and guess who helped the

and guess who helped the Nazis...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Not quite

"Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo would have conquered the entire planet & implemented their "brave new world" complete with genocide for those they considered genetically inferior (that's everybody else). Europe couldn't stop 'em, China couldn't stop 'em."
Russia however, ground Hitler's forces down.
Eitherway, saying they would have taken over the entire world is rediculous. They simply didnt have enough man power to spread that far. On the other hand, had Hitler not betrayed Russia and consolidated his gains, he may have been able to go on to conquer more countries.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

WOW! Best Post Reply EVER.

Very good and probable advice.

you must be one of those Christians that doesn't read the bible

you must be one of those Christians that doesn't read the bible. Perhaps, you missed the part where it reads, Abraham was born in Ur...located in present day Iraq. Chances are Judaism did not develop in Krakow, Poland. Up to 70 years ago, the safest place for European Jews was the middle-east. Anytime, the European Christians went postal on them, European Jews found safe haven in the middle-east amongst, not just Muslims, but also Christians, Pagans, Jews, the list goes on.

Also, watch presentations by Gilad Atzmon to find out what Jews really think about Christians. Last time, I checked, the Muslims accept Christ unlike the Jews. Duh!

Anyway... i'm getting tired of all these wars between Abrahamic peoples... enough already! Either get along with each other or drop your Abrahamic religions and pick up a more sensible world view which won't lead you to slaughter each other and all who happen to be in the way.

Hosanna - a Christian term said three times, meaning god save us
Hoshana - a Jewish term said three times, meaning god save us
Hossani - a Muslim term said three times, meaning god save us

Help - a Sumwoman term said every time I hear feuds between the followers of the three Abrahamic faiths.

Get over yourselves!!!!!!!!!!

Absent a meteor strike or

Absent a meteor strike or nuclear armageddon, things will probably move "slowly." There's a lot of productive capacity in the US, and it won't just disappear overnight. Economies in the abstract don't "collapse." Instead, the economic returns to individual actors from doing what they do, become unsustainable for one person at a time. Not to all people all at once.

One thing that is almost certain, is that criminality will go up. More and more people will be displaced from what they currently do, and will get desperate. This will increase the costs (from added security) to those still in business, leading to more people becoming displaced. And so on, and so on...... Argentina post 2001 is a good example, as chronicled by FerFAL. As in current day Mexico, where less and less of society is unaffected by crime.

Hence, preparing to take greater responsibility for one's own security is important. In addition to the obvious "learn to shoot and stockpile ammo", this also means reduce the attack surface; as in don't own so darned much stuff that is hard to protect, as that will spread you thin.

When noone really respects your claim to property anymore, and instead sees it as an invitation to attack, it is best to appear to not have much. Therefore, preparing by convertig whatever wealth one does have, to forms which are easy to hide, and take with oneself should one have to leave (gold, cash, perhaps particularly Bitcoin) may make sense. As does familiarizing oneself with the technological tools that can be helpful for those wishing to fly under the radar.

For husbands and parents, flying under the radar may also entail not decking ones wife and daughters out for maximum appeal to rapists. While fully covering them will probably draw more attention than not outside of heavily Islamic communities, there's no need to announce their desirability to every opportunistic creep out there, either.

Dmitry Orlov Writes Extensively

Dmitry Orlov writes extensively about his experiences during the collapse of the Sovet Union and tries to correlate those events with what is going on today. Keep an open mind when reading, many things will strike you as odd and many things will ring very true.

One thought that he clued me in on was this: Collapse isn't a national event, it is personal. When your situation collapses you won't hear about it on the news, you'll just know it has arrived.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/

I think the final phase will be abrupt....

I can't see hyperinflation not happening...

With 70% of $US held outside of the US, when those dollars come back, they will come back in a hurry, and when they do, you have inflation. I do agree we are living through the long slow painful grind now. We are in that phase, but the transition into the final phase, will be quick, and food riots will occur.

Then we decide as a nation what we will do. Police state or return to freedom?

If we give up our guns before hand, tyranny will certainly win. If we do not give up our guns before hand, I get more and more confident each day, that enough people are waking up, that they will choose freedom.

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inner city blacks will join

inner city blacks will join together and better the lives of the less fortunate around them.

If they were smart they would

That's how you gain favor, freedom, or take control.

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I guess were all supposed to give an opinion, so here's mine.

I think the post below titled " What will ACTUALLY Happen" is spot on, however, I feel I must be open to the possibility that 'it' ( the collapse ) could also come quickly, so I feel I should be as prepared as possible. I do have slight hope that due to the awakening and the liberty movement, that the people, military, police, and at least some national security agencies are waking up also. Perhaps if we are really lucky, a non violent rebellion and mass arrest situation will occur. I wont hold my breath.

The original post asked what it will be like, so i guess we are all supposed to give our opinions.

I can see this playing out two ways.

1. Dying a slow death. ie...... as our dollar depreciates we get higher and higher prices and therefor are able to purchase less and less. For the middle class it might look like cutting multiple cell phone plans, cutting out your best satellite options and sports packages, maybe no expensive family vacations, raising the acceptable AC temp in your house and lowering water usage, not buying the healthy organic foods and opting for the corporate junk, not being able to buy, much less, even use your boats etc b/c gas will be too expensive...etc and on and on. The cash savings in your bank account or safe will be worth less and less as the purchasing power of the dollars buys less.

For the lower class, things are going to get bad and crime will hit an all time high. More and more low income people will be unable to make ends meet and will need more and more government services ie...food stamps, health care, housing subsidies etc.. Of course all this will be paid for by the FED continuing to print money and lend it to the government, further debasing the currency.

2. The second way I see this playing out continues with the first plan, but something like raising the interest rates on bonds, the derivatives bubble comes to a head, the FED stops printing QE's, WW3 starts ( although it already has ) ie...something happens that enters us into a hyperinflation scenario, perhaps along with certain deflation ( homes prices crash again ). Mass panic kicks in and there are bank runs ( until they freeze all accounts ), food shortages b/c the shelves are cleared and since the dollar is near worthless the trucks are not delivering food, gas, products etc...

I can see riots, hungry people on the move for food and water, and credit cards being frozen. This means for a short period, cash will be king ( if you have it physically on you ). Now comes what they have been preparing for....martial law, internment camps, gun confiscation, FEMA camps etc...

I can see a 30...50...70... 100% reduction in social security, medicaid/medicare, government employee pension plans reduced or gone, and perhaps even a confiscation through extreme taxation on private pension plans.

Anyways.... I can see it playing out both ways. At least starting off with 1 and ending in 2.

What do we get after that? One world government, one world currency, one world military, extreme population reduction and a debt slave labor force with technocrats and elites ruling the world???????

Extreme ???? Maybe, but over the years...the % of that being a possibility grows higher and higher and sounds less and less crazy.

Just a quick note and a resource on this topic...

Though I don't pretend to be a Survivalist, and I did little more than make sure I had a supply of fresh water at Y2K... I have started to take actions that move me closer to personal sustainability (Gardening, Solar Electricity, etc.). I personally don't feel like things will just go to hell instantly... that basically people are good and will work together. But I also accept that I may be wrong.

A good read is a book by David Crawford that was put together by a group called FrugalSquirrels... the book is a WORK OF FICTION of what the world might look like if the $#!+ hit the fan. You can easily find this FREE ebook by searching for "LightsOut-Current" or "LightsOut-Current by HalfFast".

The FrugalSquirrels Forum collaborated in writing this book to include as much factual information on surviving the fall of modern civilization, while creating a fairly good piece of fiction.

I have read the book twice, and the first half of the book is very focused on many of the life choices you can make today to put yourself in a position to be OK if the collapse comes. The second half of the book is pure fiction, following as a natural consequence of all the activities the first half of the book outlined. There are great discussions of "real money" and things you can do to put yourself in a better position for such a crisis.

The story unfolds as two friends are caught at work as the lights go out. One has lots of camping, shooting and survival skills and one is a typical American couch potato, but they are good friends and the one thing they both enjoy is shooting together. As one friend teaches the other, the lifeskills, choices and assumptions we all make are exposed to the light.

For all of you that take the journey (or have read this book), please leave comments! Also, I will say that I did not read through all the comments here to see if this material was already discussed... so my appologies if I am repeating an earlier thread.

PR

Don't

think anyone can guess how bad it's going to be. The only thing you can do is prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

It Won't be Pretty

Why do you think Obombya is putting all these executive orders into place? Read Them and Think It Over
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skippy

I'm Thinking

Katrina. I wouldn't want to be in a city if shtf which is why I plan to bug out of Dallas.

skippy

They Control us with Fear of Collapse

I welcome it, because it is a collapse of all the institutional structures that prop up the NWO system we live in. They know this is going to happen. It's already begun.

If you really want to know what it will look like, start looking into Hopi Indian prophecy. Many of the indigenous cultures were given a piece of the puzzle the last time this happened in cyclical history.

That said, the future is not written in stone. It is somewhat flexible, and depending on what we do, It has effects on the outcome.

Suggested viewing is Miriam Delicado's youtube video's and website.
http://www.bluestarprophecy.com

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There is no reason to worry

There is no reason to worry about the collapse. The only thing to worry about is, as always, the government.
The collapse is only the correction. Everything that is demanded on the market, will still be supplied. This is only not the case if the government intervenes by pretending to know better what "should" be demanded.

Especially with Food, there is no reason besides the government for a long time shortage. I think almost everyone buys food before he starts buying anything else at all.

There will only be a temporary shortage when the crash occurs and people try to get the last things left in the shops. But after a few weeks this will be resupplied, because the production capacity does not change during the collapse.

Only businesses that are dependent on the government, which means there is no real demand for their products, will get into trouble. But this is the correction and this is healthy for the economy as they make room for the production of other products who are really demanded by the people.

However, a controlled collapse by a Ron Paul plan would be much better than an uncontrolled, because people who have become dependent on the government will really suffer for a few years. Not because there is not enough supply, but because they can't get a job or any kind of income without the government.

Supply lines are currently

Supply lines are currently protected by government institutions. Until someone else take over that job, not much will get past inevitably opportunistic highway robbers. And this apply to even the shortest of supply lines, i.e form your garden to your kitchen. One the erstwhile constabulary no longer gets paid, they won't intervene when someone too lazy or incompetent to grow or buy his own food, decides to help himself to yours.

What will ACTUALLY Happen

The most likely and realistic scenario we are facing is not the one that movies, conspiracy theorists, and the likes are projecting. It will not be some huge cataclysmic newsworthy event, or some landmark initiative, that causes a sudden disaster in America and the subsequent collapse.

The collapse will be gradual and merciless, just as it has been for decades now. The Federal Reserve will refuse to allow interest rates to rise and continue to keep them incredibly low, which will continue to frustrate our creditors in China, India, Australia, etc as they grow impatient with receiving such little interest on their loans. Furthermore, the continued decline in U.S. consumer demand from rising prices, government intervention in labor and capital markets, and spiking REAL unemployment (SGS and U-6 measurements) will create a need for demand to be picked up elsewhere.

China and India will fill this gap, and begin to consume goods largely produced by the savings-intensive and trade surplus-producing countries of Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, etc. The consumption from these countries will further display to the world how U.S. hegemony is not a necessity, and slowly but surely the Fed's easing policies will continue to devalue the dollar to the point that it is removed as the world reserve currency in international trade agreements. The removal of the dollar, coupled with our current $50 billion per month trade deficits (which will grow worse in the near future), will put us in the precarious position of only being able to consume what we produce...which is nearly nothing.

Now saddled with a currency getting more worthless by the day, a lack of consumer demand, out-of-control deficit spending crowding out businesses, further intense regulations and taxes to punish those businesses "responsible" for the lack of economic growth and recovery, and further police-state measures...we will see the true collapse. I can foresee government beginning to take more drastic actions like freezing wages and prices, leading to shortages and eventual government rationing of goods.

Two things will happen in response to this collapse, and I am optimistic the better one will occur which will be a repudiation of super-government and Keynesianism and a return to sanity. Otherwise...we are looking at becoming a permanent debt-laden welfare-warfare state with a frenzied point-of-view on capitalism.

I must respectfully disagree

If you look at the accelerating explosion of debt you can see a classic pyrimid scheme setting up for the inevitable collapse. I do agree the eastern economies will recover much sooner but at some point the collapse in the west will be abrupt and spread world wide. What form will that take? One can only hope it will be confined to riots in the streets and revolution with the repudiation of the zionist controlled fiat currency central banking system and a return to sound currency and not what I fear the worst, global thermonuclear war.