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Interesting additional info for Gary Johnson support.

I had already made the decision to vote for Gary Johnson, but, I found this article and found another reason why I want to vote for him.

Las Vegas Sun: "The Johnson camp’s goal is actually 5 percent, that being the performance threshold necessary to get public funding in 2016."

“Academic polls are showing the governor between 5 and 6.5 percent, so that’s where we are now,” Campaign Manager Ron Nielsen said in an interview Thursday, adding that he expected the turnout for Johnson in Nevada to be higher. “What we’re presenting is an opportunity for voters to make a choice. And we say it’s the best choice. ... If the notion comes up that Gary Johnson is a spoiler, then so be it. People have the right to make a decision.”

“If we just get 5 percent of the vote nationwide, it will be historic,” Gray said. “It will be the beginning of the end of the two-party system.”

The full article
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/05/libertarian-cand...

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A vote for anyone but RP just encourages the establishment.

A vote for anyone but RP just encourages the establishment. It shows the liberty can be bought for nothing. It shows that the liberty movement loves compromise. It shows that the liberty movement can't follow through. It shows that the liberty movement is shallow. It shows that the liberty movement is easily distracted. It shows that the liberty movement can stay on task. It shows that the liberty movement is easily tricked. It shows that the liberty movement has no commitment. It shows that the liberty movement is easy to defeat. It shows that the liberty movement is no better than the tea party. It shows that the liberty movement is just as guilty for the two party system as the rest. It should the liberty movement failed.

I'd rather vote for Gary Johnson

Than Jesse Ventura any day, it's actually getting me nervous that people are going into his direction. Sure he's said things based on the hard truth but the thing about conspiracy theories is that they could be a flat out lie and are "sold" off as the truth whether on TV or with books as Doug Wead pointed out.

When a guy starts starts behaving like a New Atheist from youtube + backstabbing the concept of "parties" even saying that he wouldn't even run under the libertarian banner because their all gang symbols, that just tells me he's just trying to distinguish himself and gather a larger base.

Ross Perot got 19%...

nothing changed. And Gary Johnson getting 5% won't even cause a yawn. Absolutely nothing historic about it.

The only thing that will happen is that some news commentators will say, "Look at the silly potheads supporting a 'libertarian' that is not really a libertarian." (Krauthammer has already said this)

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It will get us ballot access

It will get us ballot access for the next 4 years. Considering that we (Maine) had to aqcuire over 30,000 signatures from un-enrolled voters to gain ballot access 2 years ago, this is a much easier (hopefully) route. So it does accomplish something quite big. And who gives a damn what Krauthammer says while he's drooling on himself. The mans barely coherent.

Your first point...

is a valid opinion. Although my opinion is that it doesn't matter because the LP is too busy arguing over whether child porn should be legal and will never gain traction among the American public. Rockwell, Rothbard and Ron Paul all left the LP for just this reason. Rockwell said the LP needed to be "deloused" of the libertines who hated Western civilization shortly before leaving the party. The louses still dominate...

Your second "point" is just part and parcel of the juvenile sociopathy typical of LP'ers, Glenn Beck tea partiers and other assorted zionists who are mostly only capable of slinging invectives and ad hominem.

Whatever your opinion of Krauthammer happens to be, nobody doubts his intellectual prowess and he is respected by people on both sides of the aisle. Krauthammer quickly exposed the libertarian fraud that is Gary Johnson with just two or three questions and a slight smile. On the issue of interventionism no less. And it wasn't whether Krauthammer agreed or disagreed with any philosophy. Just the classification.

I find it sad you would vote for a libertarian fraud just for ballot access...

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O really...

"Whatever your opinion of Krauthammer happens to be, nobody doubts his intellectual prowess and he is respected by people on both sides of the aisle."

Then the intellectual prowess of those people on both sides of the aisle needs to be questioned, as Krauthammer is a damn fool. He can form grammatically correct English sentences better than the average pundit, I'll grant him that - but that's the extent of his prowess. But, hey, since that ability is so rare these days, I guess it makes sense it would mistaken for intelligence.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Stray said...

that nobody cares about Krauthammer's opinion. This is demonstrably untrue. He is listened to and respected by millions.

The strawman you are creating is that I said that I like Krauthammer and share political philosophies with him. I was merely countering the assertion that nobody cared what he said. Krauthammer is a neocon therefore I despise his analysis nearly all of the time.

Please give due diligence to actually understanding the content of a comment before rapid-fire emotional responses. Daily Paul isn't a first-person shooter game. You can take your time digesting comments before replying. There's no hurry... :p

At the end of the day, Gary Johnson is an interventionist who wantsto send troops to Uganda and to ban smoking in restaurants and bars on private property and not a libertarian...

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When I said "Who cares", it

When I said "Who cares", it was rhetorical. Just a figure of speech. I know that people listen to and value his opinions. I however, do not.

Response

"The strawman you are creating is that I said that I like Krauthammer and agree with him."

If your claim was only that people believe that Krauthammer has great "intellectual prowess," then I have nothing to say, I suppose that's true since he's a successful pundit. However, I took it you were agreeing that he's a fine intellect, and was countering that claim. Yes, I'm aware that you did not explicitly say that, that was only the implication I drew from what you said, not unreasonably I think.

"The strawman you are creating is that I said that I like Krauthammer and agree with him. I was only countering the assertion that nobody cared what he said. Krauthammer is a neocon therefore I despise his analysis nearly all of the time.

Please give due diligence to actually understanding the content of a comment before rapid-fire emotional responses. Daily Paul isn't a first-person shooter game. You can take your time digesting comments before replying. There's no hurry... :p"

The only emotion on display here is yours. I have no horse in the race.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Actually...

I'm very relaxed and whimsical at the moment... :)

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Well then...

...I guess we're just a couple a fonzies, and what's fonzy like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPN_gkj_gk

: )

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Ayyyyy!

haha :p

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How sad that

Someone who clearly loves their own intellect will support a dinosaur sociopath like krauthammer. Then judge people who are doing what THEY believe in to support liberty. So keep up the effort to "take over" the GOP, while the rest of us continue our (according to you) futile efforts. Must be nice to sit on the fence and judge others who are actually trying something. According to you, I guess we better quit.

KWB

Try again...

I despise Krauthammer because he is a neocon. That doesn't mean Krauthammer is incapable of categorizing someone as a libertarian or not.

Also, I have nothing to do with the GOP. I voted for Reagan in 1984 and voted for Ron Paul in the primaries in 2008 and this election cycle. That is the complete history of my presidential voting record and my involvement with the GOP. I personally don't think there is any hope for the GOP. I will not be voting at all in the general presidential election.

If you call my assessment of Gary Johnson as not being a libertarian as "judging" him then I'm guilty. :)

judge (v) - 1. To compare facts or ideas, and perceive their agreement or disagreement

Perhaps you are accusing me of judging Stray? If pointing out that Gary Johnson is not very libertarian is "judging" Stray then I guess I'm guilty of that too.

Gary Johnson's own statements of his support for interventionism in countries like Uganda to take out Kony, his vow to defend Israel, his support for outlawing smoking on private property and his complete inability to discuss the contents of one single libertarian/austrian texts, while initially trying to claim that he was familiar with several, leads me to conclude that not only is he not a libertarian but is willing to lie and engage in fraud to mold perceptions of himself.

I guess I'm also guilty of your accusation of loving my intellect. It has served me well over some 50 odd years or so. :p

I will close by "judging" you as making up stuff about me and presenting it as if it is what I believe or practice. I officially judge you as a purveyor of straw men.

"A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it."

Judge Weebles over and out....

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GUARANTEED 5%: Choose Ron

GUARANTEED 5%: Choose Ron Paul as your Treasury Secretary or FED Chairman.

End The Fed!
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Merlin Miller for President 2012

Merlin Miller was an activist for the Ron Paul campaign.

Merlin Miller is an alternative third party candidate.

Gary Johnson...

If he wants more support from this movement. Should smarten up. He could join the DP and post on here, discussing his views with everyone. Not leaving it to surrogates. I'm probably voting for him. Not because he is right-on like Ron Paul. But, because he is the closet out of the junk heap. Indiana will not count a write-in 4 Paul. So that vote would be tossed without a count. So if you staunch GJ supporters that might have an in with him or his campaign. Suggest he come on here, take his lumps and show what he has.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

Best man for the job

he has the experience and a decent platform. i refuse to acknowledge Obama or Romney as president or comply with them in anyway.

Another reason not to vote GJ

I don't want government to spend any money on candidates. Any candidate.

Free includes debt-free!

yeah what a great reason to

yeah what a great reason to not vote for gary(sarcasm) . hell you should write-in ron paul so you get 0% counted for ron paul. then he will not get the money. you win obamney 2012 hell yeah

Ron Paul 2016

bump

5% means the LP will obtain a major party status for 2016 and 95 million dollars in funding.

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I will not vote for Gary Johnson

Three reasons why I can not support Gary Johnson and why I am supporting Virgil Goode despite he too is also not perfect. Johnson wants to legalize gay marriage instead of getting government out of the marriage license business. If we allow government to do so then we will see government then violating our first amendment rights much more aggressively "religious liberty". Second reason sure Gary wants to pull out of the middle east which is a good thing but he also wants to abuse letters of marque and reprisal by invading Uganda which is not our fight. Lastly instead of allowing the State and local communities to deal with drugs he wants to completely legalize all drugs from coast to coast. I am choosing the man with morals and a firm understanding of the US Constitution with Ron Paul being out that man is Virgil Goode.

What Candidates Want Vs What They Will Do

Some candidates may want purple polka-dots on vehicles; does that mean you would not vote for them because of it?

For example: Legalizing gay marriage is an issue for Congress, not the president. It is irrelevant to his qualifications as president as a practical matter. The best thing about it is that it tells us why he wants it: from a belief that it is a constitutionally guaranteed right.

I think you must do your homework and vote for the man you think best represents what you want. Most people in the country won't, however, find Virgil Goode on their ballots at all.

The LP works with alternative parties, in all states, to improve ballot access for the benefit of all voters. I see a vote for the LP candidate as a way to support that effort, almost no matter who the candidate is (even a vote for Bob Barr made a better statement than voting for McCain or Obama).

Unless you're worried the LP candidate might actually win...

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Who told you...

marriage was an issue for Congress? The interventionist, Mr. National Sales Tax, "libertarian" fraud that is called Gary Johnson?

Constitutionally marriage is a State's issue. From a libertarian perspective marriage is an issue solely between the persons getting married and whatever community/social organization (if any) is performing the ceremony.

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Sorry maybe I'm wrong here

but doesn't Ron also believe all drugs should be legal from coast to coast? And last time I heard Gary was only advocating legalizing pot nationwide.

voted you up sir, i can tell

voted you up sir, i can tell by your post your not one of those dp circle jerks(so called ron paulers bashing gary)but giving no valid ballot option other then bashing gary.

ps side note anyone writing in ron paul in a state where he is not a certified candidate will basicilly be invalidating their ballot by writing in ron paul.Invalidating all your votes on the ballot. This is standard practice by many states. They just invalidate the whole ballot.

so anyone writing in ron paul in colorado and then voting yes on amendment 64 or any other candidate will invalidate all their votes on the ballot. only certified candidates can be written in and counted.

the feelgood motion of writing in ron paul in states where he was not certified will basically invalidate your whole ballot!

all drugs should be legal, the drug war only empowers the folks the corrupt dea/gov and dealers. in effect any drug law protects the dealer and dea! dea and drug dealers love you! let you pay for the drug war personally

Ron Paul 2016

well...

he probably just picked up a few more former Obama supporters

good news is he is picking up

good news is he is picking up voters from all spectrum's. sidenote i hope your not writing in ron paul in a state where he is not certified. if you are i hope your not voting for other folks locally because most states invalidate the whole ballot once you have written in someone who was not a certified write-in, so you know!

both parties and lawyers love folks who write in people. they get to invalidate that voter's ballot! happens all the time. oo when they give you a provisional ballot? that is a good way to get you off their back and after the fact. they usually throw them out as well!

Ron Paul 2016

not sure why you voted me down...

especially since I published a positive article on Johnson online last week. I hope you're not telling people how to vote and certainly not in writing... I haven't fully decided what I'm going to do regarding the presidential race just yet but you can bet it will be in line with my conscience and not what some dumbass in a forum "hopes" I won't do...