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Wife thinks I'm losing it...

Sometimes I wish I had just taken the blue pill and can go back inside the Matrix. My wife and I are at odds over quite a few issues lately...GMO foods is the latest. After the French gmo rat study...I don't want the kids near the stuff. This is causing all kinds of friction over sodas, eating out, etc. The argument last night was over Halloween and the HFCS in the candy I don't want the kids eating.

She thinks I'm losing it and have turned into the most UNfun person around. Maybe she's right.

GMO, Chemtrails, Agenda 21, 9-11, coming dollar and financial collapse, etc, etc, etc,....it just never seems to stop. This rabbit hole I'm in seems to be a bottomless pit.

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You are... Too many of us

You are...

Too many of us romanticize everything we purchase or take in like it's some sort of rebellious step.

No, you're just eating McDonalds... What they do with the money is no different than what anyone does with money we don't personally control.

Let it go, stay skeptical, but don't miss out of living or hurt your relationship with your wife. NOT... WORTH... IT

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"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

hey down posters, he's just

hey down posters, he's just recommending moderation in all things...believe it or not an occational fast food burger will not kill you, it's the daily, repetative activities that'll kill ya...

So on Halloween, let 'em have fun, enjoy your family and let it go for a day. And next morning go back to your organic vegies and grass fed beef, it's about balance... is that such a bad idea?

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I can't believe people are downvoting you

Tread lightly in crazyville.

Gee, I can't figure out why non-libertarians think the liberty movement is nuts?

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Mark, I so often read disparaging posts by you.

Why do you hang out here? What do you find attractive? And why are you so excessively concerned that even moderate divergence from the status quo in health will be seen as "crazy?"

Do you truly understand the implications of freedom? It's for all, not just straight-laced middle-of-the-roaders. In fact that's one of its most beautiful aspects. Those who are complacent and stuck in orthodox modes are not the ones who move humanity to higher levels of understanding.

Yes there are dead end pathways, but those will sort themselves out under Liberty. They will not meet the competition of truth in the long run. Our problem is not the "crazies," but the horrific tendency of most people to run blindly with the herd, straight off cliffs where bodies pile up in the gorges.

I love the DP and Ron Paul. I hate Infowars and NaturalNews

I don't see how relentless paranoia can move humanity to higher levels of understanding. It saddens me to see to see how many people 'left the herd' only to form a giant, stupid herd themselves. Dozens of people have given the OP advice along the lines of "you're right keep doing what you are doing." If his beliefs are estranging him from his family, he is screwing up and losing it.

I concentrate on the biomedical science forums (instead of economics and such) because I spend my life studying medicine and can easily refute the antiscience alarmist propaganda being spead. It would be laughable if people weren't taking it so seriously.

And these so-called libertarians are actively campaigning for government intervention in nutrition, agriculture, and medicine. WTF? Why does the liberty movement have so many health fascists?

I don't care if every single person downvotes and insults me, I felt that someone needs to speak against the alarmist, sensationalist propaganda. I am getting really bored with it, though. People have no desire to learn science or the truth. It's too easy to just use imagination and read the lies on Infowars and NaturalNews and pretend they are learning and freedom fighting.

Infowars I can understand.

Infowars I can understand. NaturalNews! You don't want to know about true Nutrition and Health? Where do u go for information and News?

NaturalNews is downright awful with disinformation

Mike Adams is the defintion of a snake oil salesman. He will say anything and everything to push his 'natural' health agenda. He has no regard for the scientific method or scientific theory and through his relentless sensationalism, apparently he no respect for his readers. Many physicians and biomedical scientists have thoroughly dismantled his claims. He is not some lone genius who has discovered medical secrets through a mythical 'natural' lifestyle and he doesn't understand scientific truths that have evaded hundreds of thousands of biomedical scientists and researchers. I have read dozens and dozens of his essays and it is very clear that he either has a very poor understanding of science and sincerely believes his own myths, or he understands but is extremely deceitful and his purposely manipulating his audience.

He not like a brilliant, but outnumbered Austrian economist engaged in academic battles with Keyensians. He is like a dwarf in a boxing match with a heavy weight champion. Only he isn't even trying to box, he is on the sidelines doing a solo karate exhibition as a white belt. And his audience is watching him perform karate in the corner by himself going "wow that guy is so good."

Share your knowledge, man!

Share your knowledge, man! Tell us why,we are all here to learn. I have had to toss just about everything and everyone I ever believed in in my life out the window. I don't believe that is new for anyone here at the DP.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

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I agree with some of your specific examples.

I only object because often you make the very error of which you accuse others. You strongly tend to presume orthodox "science" is correct. but a quick review of the history of science is enough to notice it is a succession of scientific paradigms overturned with new information or understanding.

Today when government has intruded itself so powerfully into the channels of academia, including science departments and research facilities,the distortions and special interests are similar to those in economics. The results are nearly as disastrous IMO.

You focus on a few pop. presenters who do sensationalize, but you would more profitably pay attention to the growing influence of soundly based alternative researchers and reporters such as Chris Kresser http://chriskresser.com/ and the many researchers whose works he reviews, and the more popular http://www.mercola.com/

Due to your own bias, you are largely unaware of revolutions taking place in health sciences. As always government agencies lock down progress by enshrining monopolies and "official" views.

Your own understanding needs balance. Yes traditional docs and scientist still make real contributions, but progress is immeasurably slowed by built in bureaucracy, departmental jealousies and politics.

The leaner, swift advance of understanding is outside official channels. You are closed to those advances and the poorer for it, IMO.

i personally believe

That both info wars and natural news are cointelpro. Managed demoralization campaigns

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

haha That's a theory I can get behind

The Infowarriors and NaturalNewsers think they have reached the highest levels if wakefulness, but they are only at stage 1. I was in stage 1 for a period, too.

Stage 2 is realizing that Mike Adams and Alex Jones are wacjkjobs who are making fools of them.

1988vote has not been without 'our' struggles--

one of us is female; the other male (LOL! Just wanted to make that clear)--

one of us woke up first then went back to sleep; the other fought it and then woke up and woke up the other one.

We have 'taken turns' being upset about things. We have taken turns saying, "I can't take/do/think/read/talk about any of this anymore"--

And now we're in a mellow place where we know we live very differently, and we're glad, but we have watched at least one of our adult children go completely into bad food, etc.--

while being really grateful to us for raising him/her in a healthy way and having even married a person with the same beliefs.

The fact is that life is hard right now; it's always been hard, but in the past most of the time people who found it really hard just got sick and died.

Many humans in this present civilization are walking around seriously wounded.

We are also Christians, and we take our concerns to God and do get real help--

for us the 'bottom line' is that we would rather know the truth--

I don't have all the verses for this, because I'm in a hurry, but the truth does set us free, but His yoke is a yoke--
and the burden is a burden, but He makes it light--

Having faith in God does help, for those who believe in God. Those who don't? I am not sure how they cope with all of this--

One of the main things that happens to us is that we have to be careful to whom we speak; we've lost friends, because of the way we live (trying to be very self-reliant and living simply)--

and yet those people with good hearts always seem to come back to us; sometimes they want to know what has helped us to survive. We like to think that someday we will be able to help those who have laughed at us--

or ignored us or been mean to us, because of the choices we have made.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

As God told Moses, I shall prove to be who I shall prove to be.

Moses stood before the angry crowd, who demanded his claim to authority and answered as told. "I shall prove to be who I shall prove to be."

Can any man claim more? I write my own history for others to see.

You two are singing a harmony. Thanks!

Free includes debt-free!

Here. I will help you.

The French GMO study is bull$h!t.

High fructose corn syrup is Fructose, a naturally occurring sugar.
I would advise you to move to some country that does not have an anti-sugar anti-Cuba policy. Sodas with real sucrose sugar taste better but cost more in the USA. Coca-cola et al made a marketing decision and decided correctly that HFCS was a better raw ingredient cost wise and that Americans would not care.

Some micro brand sodas like Jones, Hansen, etc use sucrose cane sugar. They arent popular and have trouble to survive long term against coke and pepsi.

HFCS is fructose, and the GMO protein is extracted. So its a HFCS vs. sucrose cane sugar question not a GMO one.

So your wife is right, mostly. You're Not crazy, just misinformed.

The Ingredients for High Fructose Corn Syrup..

High Fructose Corn Syrup is naturally occurring sugar? Are you nutz or just joking? If it was natural sugar, don't you think they would just call it sugar? It's engineered in a lab.

"Well, two young men, Ian Cheney and Curt Ellis, decided to grow their own corn crops and create their very own high fructose corn syrup. After asking several companies how to make it, they finally received a detailed instructional recipe for high fructose corn syrup. Their ingredient list included: corn, water, sulfuric acid, alpha-amylase, glucoamylase, and glucose isomerase.

Now, corn and water are absolutely "normal" foods to consume. Alpha-amylase is used in the process of breaking the bonds between glucose monomers in the cornstarch. Glucoamylase, like alpha-amylase, is an enzyme. It may actually provide health benefits, mostly for those who suffer from gastrointestinal problems. Glucose isomerase allows for the process of isomerization, in which glucose is converted to fructose. The sweetness of high fructose corn syrup may be at least partially attributed to this process. Unlike the aforementioned ingredients, sulfuric acid is a very strong, highly corrosive chemical. It is found in car battery acid and certain household items, such as detergent and toilet bowl cleaner.

Additionally sulfuric acid, as you've likely guessed, is highly poisonous to the body. Symptoms from swallowing sulfuric acid include though are not limited to: breathing difficulty due to swelling of the throat, fever, rapidly lowered blood pressure, vomiting with blood and vision loss. If these are the symptoms which occur from swallowing pure sulfuric acid, one can only imagine its deleterious effects on the human body from consuming it in the form of high fructose corn syrup for months or years of time.


this is what happens when you dont balance your Consciousness. You honestly think a woman wants to FEEL Uncomfortable all of the time? I have a GF I talk about this stuff to and she agrees for the most part up until i get into The economy. When our conversations start to get heavy, like Jon Lennon...Let It Be. I admit Its a little weird hearing her wanting to go out to clubs, smoke poisons chemicals, and drink alcohol. WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! so just enjoy this life while you can.

Politics and religion are the main ingredients for a break up. So if I ever wanted to get rid of her I know what to talk about.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

BIG difference in what your

BIG difference in what your girlfriend does versus your children.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I cant speak

for that but seriously, you dont want you kids to enjoy life and just be happy? My father was the most miserable person when he entered politics (now I know why). It practically ruined our relationship caused a divorce and a broken home, my mom became single with 2 children raising us on child support and I blamed my father for every bit of it. When i was a teen just to spite him I became a free loving, pot smoking, liberal. I feel the last thing you want is your kids to turn away from your beliefs because of your behavior.

I still got my dreads, live free FTW ;)

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

...friction w the wife

Hey buddy I can relate... Here's something for you though to try.

She only sees the negative, the things you don't want to do or eat. Try bringing in alternatives like organic food or healthier candies, maybe make some at home with the kids. This way you have an alternative, instead of 'shooting down' her ideas, which is all she sees. You know you are only doing what is best for your family to limit the crap they put in their bodies (I stopped eating/drinking HFCS 4-5 years ago)... Now you can have fun with the family by bringing in alternatives but you have to be proactive, not just reactive to the crap they are trying to consume just because the dept. of agriculture is able to subsidize the SNOT out of corn production using our tax money to make the poisonous HFCS free for companies to put in our food.

Hope this tip helps buddy. keep the faith.

"Competing Candys"

That's a very Ron Paul-like solution. :)

Rashers of uncured bacon solves most problems here.

Or a slab of Raw Chocolate. In season we have eaten strawberries and cream by the pound. Cream contains a fat that the lungs turn into surfactent that keeps things working. Strawberries are packed with Vitamin C, folate and loaded with anti-oxantioxidants.

Ten pounds of berries a year each is about right. We pick, we get sunshine, we are grounded. We trade currency with the farmer for his berries. Everybody goes away happy.

Beekeepers know that hungry bees are more likely to sting.

Free includes debt-free!

It's certainly possible to

It's certainly possible to enjoy life and eat healthy foods at the same time. Once they get older and leave the house, they can do whatever they like. They are my responsibility until that point.

As a child, the biggest thing I resented was being forced to go to church...that, and my mom smoking during pregnancy...and my dad smoking non stop till i left the house! Surprised I'm still standing from all that second hand smoke. LOL

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Time and money

The things that really get in my way, and they will probably sound pathetic, is time and money. Non-GMO food does cost. I know the argument, pay now or pay later with your health, but it is hard when there are times you're on a shoestring budget to buy that raw milk. Pretty much the message I've gotten is that the healthiest thing is to do everything yourself. Grow everything yourself, cook everything yourself, etc. I have 5 children, a 6th on the way, an ailing mother 1 hr. away who I am trying to find a place for right now (we tried taking her in but things didn't work out) - - I can't do everything myself. I do die of guilt when I serve certain things and resort to processed food. Sometimes I just can't handle it, though, there are too many other struggles that seem more pressing. Maybe some of that is factoring into your wife's reaction.

Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Mary, Our Mother, protect us under your mantle.

You need to consider that sometimes

It really is you, not them, and not her. The people here sometimes are exasperating in their willingness to believe every conspiracy theory or pseudoscientific claim that is made. Everyone else isn't always wrong and uninformed, sometimes it is us.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

I agree. HFCS is not great,

I agree. HFCS is not great, but I don't think it is totally bad for you either. It's just a cheap form of sweetner that corporations use to make more money and mass produce it cheaper to cut costs. I still think we should have more choices, but I don't think people should be paniced over it.


from ur lips to ur own ears.

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a little overboard

hfcs a few days a year won't hurt them any more than the exhaust they breath everyday. aspartame is the big one you want to avoid. (as i sip a throwback Pepsi)

don't even mention 9-11 until she has woken up to the simple stuff and has a basic understanding of red pill reality.

start small with something you both agree on and go from there. don't start with 9-11 unless you are just looking for a fight.

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actually, 9-11 is easy...all

actually, 9-11 is easy...all you have to do is Q up the Architects and Engineers for Truth video and it's pretty self explanatory.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

is easy or was easy?

not sure i follow you. are you saying your wife is on board with 9-11 conspiracy theory's and has a problem understanding the science behind hfcs?

or maybe she's like me and thinks what is crazy is worrying about hfcs one or two days out of the year. something i would call extreme as your body is exposed to much worse things on a everyday basis.

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