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Helping the neighbor

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Inainte sa ma uit la video, cand ti-am vazut numele "paduraru," am banuit ca sunteti roman. Habar nu aveam ca sunteti si IN Romania. Se poate recunoaste tara romaneasca. E o tara frumoasa. Postare faina a fost. Domnul sa va binecuvanteze!

Have you seen the Romania for Ron Paul video series?

Glad you recognize the beautiful scenery! Check my relate4ever and cristianpaduraru channels on youtube for more.

Now, how do you feel about restoration or implementation of the Ron Paul principles in Romania?

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It's great.

Implementing Ron Paul principles country by country.

Giving and receiving are the

Giving and receiving are the same thing. You can't give without receiving and you can't receive without giving.

serving others

must be beneficial to both parties or it can turn ugly.

The giver WANTS to give; without any feelings of obligation, expectations, or feelings of resentment toward the receiver.

The receiver WANTS to receive the service without any sense of obligation, manipulation, judgement or control from the giver.

Quite frankly,

I would rather not get help from my neighbors. I prefer to do it myself or get someone of my choosing to help me.

I get alittle creeped out when people begin a program to help their neighbors because of god. In fact, I'd probably get angry if a guy kept coming around because god wants him to help his neighbors. Maybe I don't want his help.

I once practiced a religion that demanded we do service projects regularly. We were often abused. Show up to help move someone and they hadn't even started packing. Expected others to do everything. We even had people assigned to help other families, but the ones assigned to us were people I couldn't stand.

There were often ulterior motives in helping others, like winning their friendship so you could convert them. Deceptive and dishonest.

If I need it, I'll ask someone if they'd like to help. I hope they will be honest and tell me if they don't. I also try to reward them so they actually want to come back. Just today I asked a young man to come help move a freezer up some stairs. He didn't want direct compensation, but I invited him to bring his little girl out to our farm and feed animals, etc, which he said he'd really like to do, and is something I actually enjoy.

I get what I want and he gets what he wants. Neither of us have to sacrifice. We're not doing it because we read in a book that we are supposed to love each other or convert each other.

Nice packaged bull.

It is natural for NORMAL people to help others in situations of disaster, acute need or distress. Basic courtesy is enough to help an elderly person or a sick one to carry their luggage, etc.

But packaging this into extended goal or philosophy of "love others" or "sacrifice for others" is very dangerous. Progressive left and religious right share the same morality of sacrifice.

What it takes is rational morality. If you want to have good relationship with your neighbors or enjoy selfish feeling of your own altruism, help them provided you have time. If you do not care, help those whom you love (relatives, close friends) or spend more time on things you love to do (job, hobby, etc.)

I suggest to read Ayn Rand books to see the limitations of Rothbardian Libertarians.

I'm glad

Jesus didn't decide not to give his life for my sins because "he didn't have time."

Sacrificial love is something I wouldn't be able to comprehend and would even seem strange and unnatural if I didn't know the love of God through Christ.

I find the arguments in your post strangely contradicting

To genuinely love others is truly doable only if you love yourself first. Ron Paul (a very devout Christian) and Ayn Rand (devout Objectivist) believe in voluntarism and compassion, which I believe are both the natural result of self-interest. Self-interest could result from the appreciation of God's investment in one's own talents and potential. The comment also appears to mix altruism with rational morality, or duty, which could be an oxymoron position.

True love is based on the Golden Rule - "Love your Neighbor as you love Yourself." It is clear that in order to love others (love is a choice first and an act second, but never a feeling), one must love oneself first. So to say that the display of self-interest and love is inappropriate ("dangerous packaging") because misguided "progressive left and religious right" could take it the wrong way is rather foolish. No?

Another good news is that Scarecrow and Tin Woodman figured that they needed neither a brain, nor a heart, but both!!


Rand did not believe in

Rand did not believe in compassion, but thought voluntary helping others was wrong - altruism - including voluntary is "wrong". She also was probably not actually an atheist judging from the criteria of who she allowed into her inner circle.

She also attacked libertarianism. Alan Greenspan, a member of her inner circle, because head of the federal reserve. In the last chapter of section two of her book, she mocks the idea of getting the mock of the beast. I'll argue she may have been giving it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Rand believed in compassion

She did not believe in altruism. If helping someone makes YOU feel good.. help. If helping someone is putting thier needs before yours, making you feel lousy, don't.

She writes in a letter published in a great book, "Letters of Ayn Rand" Peikoff.. "If a man spends all his money to save the life of his wife it is not wrong as long as he understands, it was not her life he spent the money on, but his WANTING her was more importnant than the money.

The book is great because it's in chron0ological order of selected letters, and you can see how hurt she was from trying to help her family,, her family used her.. it's very sad, and gives you the idea, she was burned, and her philosophy came from being burned by people she loved and wanted to help.

"If helping someone is

"If helping someone is putting their needs before yours, making you feel lousy, don't."

Typical Rand excluded middle fallacy. The golden rule is to love your neighbor as yourself, not love your neighbor more then yourself.

She loved the fallacy of the excluded middle. And yes, she did it on purpose. She constructed her book that way, and it was meant as a farce. The question is - how many are just ignorant, and how many are deceivers - knowingly abusing.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I think the fallacy is the golden rule

Many people do not love themselves and that's the problem in "the golden rule".

When someone loves themselves, they are called, selfish, arrogant, delusional, untrustworthy, egotistical...

People tend to feel the need to put up a false front of being kind and helpful, while in reality they are manipulating and coniving to obtain from another to whom they are jealous, envious, feel threatened, indifferent, uncaring..

To share the love you have for yourself with another who does not love themselves is like casting pearls before swine, so the golden rule, really is golden.. rare.

Most relationships are unbalanced, and so when you love yourself, many times the love winds up being "tough love" because you have to protect yourself from those who do not love themselves.

I'd say the golden rule

I'd say the golden rule doesn't work unless you love God, who is the source of all good. The first commandment, of which the golden rule is the second, is love God wholly.

The lack of values either way that you mention is a lot like the degeneracy mentioned in Romans 1.

Romans 1
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I Adore God

I Adore God, I love myself and love others and find most people do not know how to love themselves. It is my FAITH in God that enables me to LOVE myself


I would say I believe that as

I would say I think that as well, and have reflected on that.

I can't stand Rand because I realized she hated me for loving God. I took a more critical look at her works because of that. I grew up on them. My family had her original objectivity objectivist newsletter as well, my mother subscribed. It's amazing what you don't see when you aren't looking. At least disagreeing is thinking critically.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

We have a simular upbringing

Maybe because I am female, I don't view Rand as harshly as you? It seems to me she was brilliant, and it must have been exceedingly hard for her to be overpowered by weak men, who received support from other weak men, just because of her sex.

I think people who believe God has somehow, some way, betrayed them, fight against God and the Church the most.

Where for me, it's my understanding that God's will is supreme, and while I may not like something or how something is.. eventually I come to an understanding, it was "meant to be", even if I don't understand it ever, I accept it. I have to accept reality and "Let go, let God".

FYI - the Scarecrow and

FYI - the Scarecrow and Tinman never figured out anything. The scarecrow gets the pythagorean theorem wrong, and the tinman accepts that it matters how much others love you - a complete groupy slave to the group.

It might matter how much others with the same values love you - those whom you love - like your wife and friends, but to care about what others who hate you think? All the statements at the end are suppose to be facetious. Taking them as serious in your life wouldn't be good.

And it matters more that God loves you.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Thanks, Christian

for another heartwarming post. I'm happy you're here at the Daily Paul. I know of a private high school where there are no locks on the lockers. It takes faith in your peers to operate that way. But people do rise to expectations. (I believe it's one reason our education system is so poor: expectations are low. I believe it's also one reason for poor health: Americans are bombarded with tv commercials, also doctors, warning them what they can expect to go wrong.) While it shouldn't matter, I imagine it's more likely to have faith in one's peers - an expectation of honesty and respect among all - when there is a genuine sense of community, which starts by members of a community actually knowing each other. Although, perhaps it's a matter of which comes first, the chicken or the egg, whether it's that a sense of community elicits trust or that trust creates a sense of community.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Ron Paul is helping us (as intellectual neighbours)?

Thanks for sharing. It works and we need to persevere in this, although some people will see negativity in positivity anyway...

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Pingree School had no locks

I was "impressed" by the absence of locks at Pingree School when I was a freshman (high school). Neat, these people really trust each other! I could get used to it here.

The very first day of classes, my chemistry book was stolen. From my unlocker. This left more of an impression.

I learned an important lesson that day; although I didn't use these words then, it was this: locks keep honest fingers honest.

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I'm sorry

that happened to you. I hope that, in some way, you received back two-fold of whatever was taken.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Great subject..

Truly that is one of the great things that life is all about...love thy neighbor. You never know what you will learn, who you will meet :) a small adventure each time! Fear is not necessarily bad...but if it controls you living your life then it is a problem! Fear probably plays a small role in the motivation of many people getting prepared for the dark days ahead. To be sure if everyone was like you..can you imagine how awesome the world would be today!

Fear knocked on my door and Faith answered!

What lovely videos. Thank you for sharing

I've practiced the same in my neighborhood, helping neighbors without asking for anything in return and they are thankful but I know in their minds, they are asking why??? To that, I say 'why not?' It feels good.

Feeling good and serving them as you've serve God?

Feeling good and serving them as you've serve God?

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Each individual making a positive difference in

his/her own corner of the earth will upgrade the existence of all.