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Think twice before you put up a Christmas tree this year...

<< Jeremiah 10 >>
King James Version
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

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If you look at your Christmas tree

with a star on it, is it not a pyramid with the sun which is a star on top, look at the back of a dollar, the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid with a light shining around it at the top. The Bible plainly states you cannot serve two masters, you either serve one or the other. By having a Christmas tree we become luke warm. We are either righteous or wicked. I am not judging you for having a tree, I am just merely pointing out something that was recently shown to me that I feel is important for a Christian to know. The Devil will come transformed as an angel of light, don't ever forget that.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

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Maybe Almighty God made fir trees

a triangle shape to point to us to Heaven where He reigns. Who cares about a triangle, a geometric shape no different than a square when it comes to having weird powers. A person goes way overboard when he claims that we must be afraid of, and run screaming away from a triangle with a light over the top.

I know of a small Christian group who went so overboard on this sort of fear, that they stopped celebrating birthdays, because the cake and candles might be pagan, or having special days might be pagan.....

This symbolism is just one example

it is actually everywhere, dig, my friend, dig. CBS, symbol is an all seeing eye, AOL is a triangle with a circle in it, dig, dig, dig. God bless.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Birthdays are Pagan

it is normally a circular cake with candles on it, like a moon, or we can go as far as John the Baptist's head being served on a platter for a particular birthday.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

It is not a pyramid or a sun.

It is a tree and a star. The masons did not create trees nor the star of Bethlehem. They don't even try to claim having started the Christmas tree tradition. Not every angel is a devil in disguise.

Jeremiah

states what it is, nothing more, nothing less. I am not here to judge, to ridicule, or to slander anyone. I am merely pointing out scripture because I feel it is my duty to spread what I have learned. It may be crazy, it may be incorrect, but my heart tells me it is truth, so I must spread it. Hold onto it as truth or throw it away, that is up to you, my only duty is to share it with all of you or else I will be held accountable. I am not saying to listen to me, that would be stupid, I am human and fallible, read the Scriptures and ask God to see if what I say is true. Never lean your eternity on the words of man, lean on the Words of God to see if what I say is true.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Well-said...

...I disagree with how these four verses are being used separately from the following verses; but I appreciate your acknowledging that it might be incorrect.

It's not that I don't admire your zeal and fervor for honoring God. I just get concerned with sort of interpretation/misinterpretation being used to condemn others as not honoring God.

All I can do is point out what it means to me

and if you find it to be truth, then great. I am not here to judge, just here to give my feeling on what it means, we all have to find our truth, and I just believe this to be the case. Thank you for your understanding.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

If you keep christmas at all

then you are observing pagan worship and condemning yourself. Look up the origins of christmas. And then look in Scripture and tell me where it even mentions that you should keep christmas or any other so called christian observance such as Sunday (sun worship) or easter (fertility goddess worship).

You show me one place where you "think" it says to observe one of these pagan worship days and I will show you without a doubt from Scripture where you are wrong and that you are condemning yourself for doing so. But you can please the flesh if you like but don't expect to take part in the first resurrection.

Christianity has taken dominion over

the ancient order, and when I celebrate that, I go all out. Yay Christmas and Easter aka Resurrection Sunday (oops, Sunday is named for the sun god). If you persist in using the word "Sunday" will you get left out of the first resurrection? Or maybe the Almighty accepts us on the basis of our faith in Him, not on the basis of whether or not we celebrate the Advent or the Resurrection.

Did you know that the gargoyle faces on some of the Middle Ages cathedrals were put there to make fun of the now powerless spirits that had held their people in bondage from antiquity? It doesn't make us compromisers to appreciate the symbolism.

You are either righteous or wicked in the end

and your knowledge can only come from the Bible. The Bible states that the Holy Ghost will lead you to all truth, but the Holy Ghost will not enter into your house(body) until you submit wholly to God, His Law, ordinances, statutes and judgements. You have to dig to find those, I still have my shovel going. The path is narrow, not broad so fine tune yourself.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Exactly...

Paul talked about one man respecting one day and another man respecting another day; how meat sacrificed to idols was ok to be later bought from the market and consumed, because it's just meat.

But there is a balancing act between the weak and the strong not causing each other to stumble due to their legalism or liberty, respectively.

Hey another nobody

You are definitely well studied in the Word. Do you keep the Saturday Sabbath, because I do, but I am starting to look into the Lunar Sabbath as maybe being the correct one. Have you looked into the Lunar Sabbath at all, and if so, what do you think about it? Thanks.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Please please

Do not lightly fall for the lunar weekly Sabbath reset. Scripture is clear that Yahweh's Sabbath is every seventh day of the "week" (Saturday). I have found nothing in Scripture to uphold the resetting of the weekly Sabbath based on the new moon. Some people like to make things more complicated than they are.

The new moon is something to be observed as it is important to the keeping of Yahweh's seven annual feast days (High Day Sabbaths) but if you change the Weekly Sabbath by every new moon then you will potentially have a Weekly Sabbath after one day or five days or three days. This is not Scriptural because the Weekly Sabbath is "every seventh day". The weekly Sabbath was given as a special day after creation, upheld by the patriarchs, confirmed in the wilderness of Sinai and by Yahshua our Savior in the New Testament. And this doesn't even get into the impractical aspect of a wandering sabbath.

I hope this helps and especially that you give this hard consideration before you make a decision. If you have specific Scripture that makes you feel that the new moon reset is valid please share it with me so I can look at it directly. Sincerely.

Yahshua bless.

Check out this site and see what you think

www.worldslastchance.org. I have not studied it enough to make up my mind, but I have a friend who has studied it very thoroughly and is now following it. I will have to ask him more on the subject as well as study it more on my own, and relate the info back to you. Thanks for your reply. God bless.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Hey tog2476

I took a quick look at the link you provided and it seems they are upholding the seventh day Sabbath. Look at XII of their statement of beliefs.

Then I read a little of their link in rebuttal to the roaming sabbath argument here:

http://www.worldslastchance.org/articles/three-months-in-a-row

And after the first few paragraphs I stopped when they are correctly rebutting the assumption that the first passover was on the 6th day because they are absolutely right in that there is no way or reason from Scripture to think that it was on the sixth day. The fallacy is in the assumption from John 19:31 that he is referring to the weekly Sabbath when in fact John is speaking of the first High Day Sabbath of the Days of Unleavening. In that particular year that High Day was on "Thursday". Messiah was put in the tomb on "Wednesday" evening at sunset and rose on "Saturday" at sunset.

You should also study how biblical days are from evening to evening and this may help also.

Yahshua bless

Christmas Trees are Pagan.

Indeed many so-called "Christian" traditions are Pagan, and Christmas itself is Pagan.

No where in the Bible are we told to observe Christmas.
It seems rather obvious to anyone who has studied the Bible in any detail that Jesus was not born in December, but rather in September-October during Sukkot.

Godspeed to you who accept this. Your fellows will think you crazy. You will be angry for being lied to, and you will become uncomfortable with many things that people are willing to kill or be killed for or worse.

Exactly

in the Bible it states a Christian will seem peculiar(sorry for paraphrasing). It also states that the world will hate you. I have a friend who has really gotten far with his relationship with God and he has detached himself so far from the world some would think he was crazy, I think he is courageous and strong.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Ahhh... you left off verse 5...

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

It's talking about people cutting trees for wood and fashioning them into images of idols, using the silver and gold as overlay. These idols are upright but do not speak, and have to be carried around everywhere. The prophet is saying not to fear these powerless images but to fear the one true God (read the verses beyond 5 as well).

You are taking a few verses, divorcing them from context of surrounding verses and twisting them to fit the idea of a Christmas tree, when the passage is about idols being fashioned.

Even if the Christmas tree has some distant connection to pagan rituals, who cares? It no longer means anything of the sort to most people.

All pagan imagery is a shadow of things that find their True fulfillment in the One who is Truth. The pagans celebrated the 'corn king' of the harvest who multiplied their bounty -- you have the True 'Corn King' multiplying loaves and fishes, etc., etc. I recommend you read some of C. S. Lewis's essays on this kind of thing in the book 'God in the Dock'.

We don't need to fear things like Christmas trees! They have been redeemed from whatever pagan connotation they may have once had.

Every word in the Bible stands

for all time. If you believe in God, do you think Satan is glad everyone has a Christmas tree or not, of course he is glad. I choose to be as far away from Satan as possible, and choose not to be fooled by him even through some celebration called Christmas. He will find any way into your life and if you don't read your Bible, you will never know this and then you are decieved. If you choose not to read your Bible you will be held accountable for all transgressions. If the Bible states that they cut trees and adorned them with silver and gold as an idol, I am not putting a tree in my house, and adorning it with anything.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I think Satan is glad...

...if anything is twisted and perverted, Christmas tree or not. Look, Dr. Paul could be made an idol in someone's heart and mind, but does that mean you should never come to the Daily Paul?

I can make an idol out of a musician or music in general -- does that mean I should never have one of their albums or play an instrument?

Ok, so some druid somewhere had some ceremony once upon a time with a pine tree...that means I should never associate myself with evergreens as decoration? That's stretching things way out of proportion.

But do what you like ... just don't try to force those four verses to mean something that doesn't make sense with the surrounding context.

Yes, every word of God

stands for all time, but it also stands in context.

Jeremiah 2:20

For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

The Bible always verifies itself.

Isaiah 28:9,10

9 Whom shall he teachknowledge? and whom shall he make to understanddoctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Here a little and there a little is how we are suppossed to study the Bible. A Scripture in one book can,can is actually a bad choice of words, will is a better word to us, it will verify a Scripture in another book, or it is not a correct interperatation. The Bible tells us how to study, so to say I am leaving parts out is incorrect, I am studying it how the Bible tells me I am to study it.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

You're not seriously trying...

... to stretch 'green tree' here to mean a Christmas tree?! Show me the surrounding verses that give it that context.

What is an Idol?

An idol is an image that is worshiped. Now go put up your tree and sing "O Christmas Tree" to you hearts content. The truth is that the christmas tree falls right in there with any other idol fashioned. And what "distant pagan rituals" represents is not up to you but up to GOD and since GOD never changes then you are wrong. Religions of man change all the time but GOD doesn't.

Your ignorance abound when I read you last sentence. But like a pig who wallows in his filth...

Would you fault...

... the Apostle Paul on Mars Hill, pointing to the pagans' memorial to the unknown god, and using that as a springboard to tell them the True God that fulfills this shadow of truth they had in their pagan system. Paul was redeeming and expanding the concept into its proper place. All religions have kernels of truth. It is better to take that, separate the wheat from the chaff, and show how the idea is really True with the One who is Truth. If you start off bashing the Buddhist over the head for the yin-yang symbol, that's inferior to looking at the concept of the yin-yang and showing how those ideas find their True meaning.

There is no comparison

to what Paul was doing. Paul was pointing out the fact that those people were right in that they "did not know GOD". He in no way said that worship of their own imagination and idols was acceptable. He was trying to show them that there is a true GOD and that they could partake of the salvation that He offered by rejecting paganism.

There is a reason he chose the "Unknown God" and not a statue to Zeus or Ishtar or Tammuz or any of the other false gods. If you think that he was endorsing false worship then you are blind and mistaken. Christmas is false worship and if you keep christmas then you are rejecting what Scripture teaches and you will face judgement at the second resurrection, it is that simple.

You don't get it...

...using the shades of truth to point to The Truth is not advocating worship of the half-truth. It's recognizing that the half-truth is a twisting of a deeper, fuller Truth, and untwisting it to find the fulfillment of whatever the human spirit is yearning for, in God. I gave the example previously of the pagan celebration of the corn king who multiplied the harvest. To a pagan who reads the stories of Christ multiplying the loaves and fishes, making wine from water, bursting the fishermen's nets with fish, calming the waves, exhibiting mastery over Creation in one form or another, this will all ring a bell with them and cause them to sit up and take notice. Here in the flesh is The Corn King, The God who fulfills in reality everything their puny, pale imitation gods aspired to. Here is The Myth become Reality, which puts all the shadows and myths from before into proper context.

And with all due respect, putting yourself in the place of God and presumptuously consigning anybody who celebrates Christmas to hell, without knowing their heart condition, tells me that you perhaps need to check your own heart condition and consider whether your attitude is reflecting Christ's or instead imitating the Pharisees. Pride in NOT having a Christmas tree can itself be an idol.

What a twist of words you have.

You really should read your bible and quit "Forsaking the Commandments of GOD for the traditions of men." You seem bent on giving glory to false gods and idols. IF you say the "Corn King" multiplies your harvest then you have given praise to a false god and are guilty of false worship. Why can't you understand that?

And I do not consign anyone to anywhere. If you read your Scripture you would know that idol worshipers do not enter the Kingdom.
That is not my decree but GOD's. Scripture is clear that you are not to worship GOD as others worship their false gods. If you advocate using a tree or any other pagan symbol in worship of the one true God then you only condemn yourself. I condemn no one.

And again, the Pharisees were not rebuked for keeping GODs law but for teaching their own traditions which is exactly what you are advocating so you are the Pharisee just as most "Christian" preachers are.

I do read my Bible...

... just not in the habit of truncating four verses off the beginning of a chapter and distorting that to fit my warped interpretion of it being a Christmas tree. It's interesting that you guys won't acknowledge that the prophet is talking about upright idols that don't talk and have to be carried around (verse 5). So yes, I do say you're like a Pharisee in this case: distorting Scripture and then insisting that anybody that doesn't bow down to the false idol of your system of man-made interpretation is going to hell.

Again you are being presumptuous in saying I do not read my Bible. Your words ooze with arrogance and disdain, not the love of Christ.

Lastly, you did not comprehend what I was meaning about the Corn King. Are you denying that Christ is the True multiplier of the harvest, the True master of Creation? -- my point was simply that, not that the half-truths of the pagans are full Truth.