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Think twice before you put up a Christmas tree this year...

<< Jeremiah 10 >>
King James Version
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

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So you read it but reject it. Ok.

The christmas tree is part of pagan worship. That is a FACT. Now read your Scripture again.

Deuteronomy Chapter 6 verses 10-15, just for example, and tell me how you can possibly justify celebrating christmas. And the fact is that the christmas tree is an IDOL that is a symbol of pagan worship and IDOLS are exactly what the four verses mentioned are talking about. Verse 5 does not negate that fact.

Also there is nothing wrong with disdain of false worship and lies. And the love of Messiah is true but his disdain of money changers and anger that drove him to whip them does not detract from that love. Love does not mean you accept anything just to make people happy. I tell you the truth in spite of your hatred toward me so that perhaps in you zeal to prove me wrong you will have to face the truth.

And again I tell you, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF HELL so I didn't say anyone will go there. Those are your words not mine. And I am not surprised that you see the boldness of the truth as arrogance. But I will admit that typed conversation is lacking.

We have two spots of conversation...

...going. :) see my reply on the first Comments page. We may have an agreement on the hell side of things.

Ok, truce.

I was going to point out some ancient tree worship but you can google it in relation to christmas yourself.

Let's stand on this common ground that we do agree on instead and meditate on what has been said here and hopefully we will both come out a little better for it. Because any truth that we build with on the foundation that has been laid for us will stand up to the test of fire that is His word. 1Cor 3 11-14

You're right...

...about anything being a potential idol; but that doesn't mean you should force these four verses, apart from the context of the chapter, to mean a Christmas tree. Verse 5 says they are upright but don't speak and have to be carried around. If you read the whole chapter, it fits with the idea of images of gods that have mouths, but don't speak, have legs but can't move. The prophet is saying these are just dead images made of wood and decorated with metal.

It goes deeper than that Micah

the Bible speaks constantly of the refining yourself in the terms of gold and silver. Infact if you really study it, when you wrap gold and silver garland around a Christmas tree, it is a direct mocking of God speaking of refining oneself into His likeness. It goes deep, keep digging.

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Is any decoration on a tree...

...ever ok, at any time of the year, according to your theory? Or is it just shiny metal on trees during December that is prohibited as an accursed combination?

Is bringing a tree indoors for decoration forbidden under any circumstance?

Can silver or gold ever be used in any decorative fashion? What is it about putting it on a tree that is so evil?

Are you against the use of gold and silver medals in the Olympics? Well, I should probably guess that you're against the Olympics as well, since it started in Ancient Greece with the pagans?

By the way, any time I've hung a silver ball or bell or garland on a tree, I've never once had an attitude of mocking God. Why on earth would that even cross my mind, when it's just a simple act of appreciating beauty in the world God has made?

No

it is what the tradition of Christmas is wrapped around. The Devil does not care if we unknowingly make tradition with him, God does. This is how the Devil deceives, he seeks to take the place of Christ as the Most High.

Isaiah 14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble , that did shake kingdoms;

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

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Actually, even after

Actually, even after considering everything you've written here, I still believe it would be best for me to not have a tree. The fifth verse doesn't convince me otherwise; I don't think the original poster divorced anything here because the fifth verse doesn't turn around and write, "It's okay to practice this." It just states not to fear it. But that's just me, and C.S. Lewis isn't gospel for me.

Sure...

... that's your choice ... but trying to force these verses to mean a Christmas tree is not looking at the context of the whole chapter. Why would the prophet mention that Christmas trees are upright but do not speak? This is referring to images of gods that look like they should speak because of their carved mouths, but don't, and should be able to move because of their carved legs, but don't. The prophet's just pointing out these are just powerless, dead images made of wood and decorated with gold and silver. To try to equate this with gold bows and silver bells on a fir tree and even the tree stand holding it in place is absurd.

I find it odd that

people refer to the "King James Bible." Do any of them know why there is such a thing as "The King James Bible?" Wasn't it because he wanted to get a divorce and re-marry, but his church (catholic church which has a tint of paganism, I was raised catholic so don't get angered at me) was against divorces, so he redacted the bible and named the newly redacted bible that of his own. Seems like a moral thing to do #sarcasm.

Also, I do not claim to be knowledgeable about the bible, but in the old testament, didn't the peasants want to elect a king, and Moses or somebody said that the only king man shall have is that of God himself, for an Earthly king would be of no help to man, or no friend of thine? (Not the exact words, but basically a message of that sort.)

Sorry for the 3rd degree, but when I hear Christians refer to the "King James Bible," I wonder if they even understand the word of god at all... Don't they see the blatant hypocrisy there?lol

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Remember when the Devil

had to ask Jesus for permission to curse Job? The Devil would have never been given permission to change all versions of the Bible or else how could God ever judge us in the end. If we believe in God, we have to believe God would have at least left us His original Word unchanged. I find the King James version to be the most accurate based on studying it compared to other versions. The NIV is missing whole verses everywhere, they left them out and just skip the numbers where they should be. Hope that helps clarify my reasoning.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

You're confusing King James I

You're confusing King James I with King Henry VIII. Not getting angry, just trying to clarify. The King James Bible was not immediately popular and greatly resembled the earliest PRINTED English version (though it was incomplete as far as I know), which was done by William Tyndale. Tyndale was a rather early English Protestant, and was was executed in 1536 for his work on translating the Bible into English. Tyndale did not end his life on friendly terms with Henry VIII. Nevertheless, it seems the king didn't have much trouble with allowing large amounts of Tyndale's text to be included the Matthew Bible of 1537. If you read the King James Bible, the Roman Catholic English Douay–Rheims Bible (from roughly the same era as the King James Bible) both relied heavily on Tyndale's translation.

"The founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with." Ron Paul

"For the country to get better, it needs more than just politicians. Politicians aren't enough. It needs a resurgence through churches, through revivals, through a spiritual

1 Corinthians 7:1-16

didn't help him much I'd say.

Ephesians 5 covers this also, particularly beginning in verse 21.

Guess he forgot to fix those parts to his liking?

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

I'm pretty sure

Its moved beyond a pagan ritual and is just a decorated tree. What's inherently wrong with decorating a tree and enjoying it in your house? Especially if I'm not worshipping pagan gods or motivated by conducting pagan rituals.

I think this whole Christmas tree thing is blown way out of proportion and is the least of our worries. Why don't we try and focus on developing and growing as human beings in love, humility and peace instead of worrying about trees?

The Lord is not coming to bring peace

He is coming with a sword. There will be no peace on this earth until after the second ressurection.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Isn't it 'environmentally'

Isn't it 'environmentally' unfriendly and 'unsustainable' to chop down trees for decadence?

-quiet engineer

Ehe?

When you go to a lot planted specifically for Christmas trees or you you pick one from the surrounding forest on your own land, how is that unsustainable?
Do you think the trees at the store are somehow randomly cut? NO, they were grown specifically for that purpose. Someone saw a market and now capitalizes on it.

I dunno, but the land my father owns has Increased its forestation to the point I can no longer traverse it without weaving through craploads trees. Unsustainable is hardly the word I would choose. In fact it is quite arguable a little tree cutting in far greater numbers than 1 tree a year would do it some good. We have some very old wood that will be rotting standing up soon if it isn't already. Some thinning would remove that dead or dieing wood and make room for some fresh and younger trees.

As to decadence, people have been cutting Christmas trees for centuries. So if for some chance there is moral decline, it is not the result of tree cutting and it has been declining for centuries as well. Opting to not put up a tree won't fix it...

Mithra's Trees...

..are no more "environmentally unfriendly" than beer or chickens. Organisms that people WANT to consume, and are willing to pay for generally are not extinguished. There are plenty of sustainable crops in barley, poultry, and Xmas/Saturnalia/Equinox/Perihelion/Mithra's decor.

And anyway, what's wrong with decadence? Some of my favorite vices are decadent!

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Good at that time of year.

Pagans used fire, paper, cups, bowls, knives,...

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This!

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Roman Saturnalia

...that is where the Christmas tree has its origins. Look it up...easy to verify. What we see today is Pagan Christianity and a sea of mass confusion :(

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

I left the tree and all the decor out last year - what a relief!

I had seen this Scripture as well and my mouth dropped open.

I then tried to rely on what I figure the first Christmas to be so therefor I hung a "Moravian Star" from the porch awning, traveled and gave gifts to immediate family.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Same thing happened to me SC

when I saw that scripture from a friend of mine, I immediately showed it to my wife and we decided not to have a tree or Halloween decorations, she took them all down. The Devil sure is a sneaky one, that is why we must always watch and pray. The Devil will find ways into our lives even through happy times we celebrate with family. There is unseen filth everywhere until our eyes are opened by the Lord. I was looking at my kid's shoes the other day and I noticed they were called Osiris, and I knew it bothered me for some reason. I looked closer at his shoes and realized they had the sun inside the moon on them, and started to research the company and found they made great use of the all seeing eye on their products. Needless to say, he does not wear the shoes anymore. The Devil wants so bad for us to have his character that he is even on clothing, in the media and everywhere we look if we pay attention. Keep watching and praying.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Get a fake tree

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If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

I'd rather be a pagan

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Why

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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Hahaha! Christians and their

Hahaha! Christians and their silly arguments about things bronze aged tribesman wrote down 2000 years ago. Tsk tsk.

Would you bet eternity

on ignorance? I am not taking any chances. This place stinks, I know what is after this will be way better. It is not a false hope, holding onto remaining alive, it is a real hope relying on the belief to actually someday, live. The reality we know today is an illusion in which most cling to, I don't cling to it, I loathe it. This is not my world.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

ErSorry buddy but other

ErSorry buddy but other religions believe theirs just as much as you believe in your Jebus. The same reason you dismiss other religions, is the same reason I dismiss Christianity. Religion has been made up by man who wanted to explain life because they did NOT understand the world around them like we do today, many other things as well. As for death, I am not afraid of what happens to me, I live everyday of my life as if I were a super hero in my own movie being the best human possible and that is enough for me. I will not debate you, I just encourage you to read a book, The End of Faith by Sam Harris is great and many more by many different authors. I have read the bible, and i thank God in that book for making me an atheist!

I had an experience with a Ouija board when I was

fifteen years old that let me know spirits do exist. I know Ouija boards are not to be played with at this time in my life, but my experience gave me 100% truth that there are spirits out there. If there are bad spirits, which is what would be speaking through a Ouija board, then there are good ones. Have you ever read the Bible with a Concordance? You can't just read the Bible by itself, you need correct translations of the words to understand it. I have studied it with a Concordance, and it is amazing. Try some of these videos and see if you are still an Atheist after you watch them, I would almost bet not.

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/2/Total_Onslaught_-_English/

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!