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Ron Paul!

My father is pro-Romney and dedicated so!
I am pro write-in Ron Paul and a plaintiff for Oregon in the write-in lawsuit being filed by Richard Gilbert!

Sorry Dad...Romney lied, cheated and defrauded his nomination...the plug is pulled no matter who it is...good-bye Romney.




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My Dad is sort of similar

My dad likes Obama more than Romney though. I keep telling him how both of them are equally as bad and they don't offer any real change. He keeps cutting Obama slack saying how nobody can fix the economy in 4 years and that he needs 4 more years to finish the job. At least I was able to convince him that there will be a dollar crisis in the future and that buying gold and silver will protect his savings.

It is very difficult to unbrainwash someone who has

been indoctrinated and brainwashed for 20 years or more.

Look at all those Chinese waving their little red books and hero worshipping Mao a few years ago.

It works just the same in America as it does in China.
The human condition does not vary by country.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

I seriously can't even talk

I seriously can't even talk politics with my dad. He has such an "anybody but Obama" complex, and his brain soaks in all the Fox news BS like a shamwow. I am always very respectful while talking politics with him, and a couple nights ago he approached me with political talk, so I just wanted to talk about whatever.. all sorts of current issue's, just to see maybe what his opinion on things were. Well I was going to mention how Rand was fighting to end alot of the foreign aid... Only thing I got out of my mouth was "Rand Paul", and he just cut me off by screaming at me, he said something along the lines "FORGET ABOUT THE DAMN PAUL'S YOU GOT TO FOCUS ON NOVEMBER WE CAN'T AFFORD 4 MORE YEARS OF OBAMA... DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME!!.." It's was alot worse than how I could show in text form, the rage coming from him was rediculous, I thought he was going to disown me... I love my dad but you know what.. F**k him. If he ever tries to talk politics with me again I'm just telling him to F**k off.

Beep beep boop beep... I am a Paulbot... prepare for liberty and prosperity!

What if you would have said you were voting for Obama?

The lesson is, politics is nothing but aside show to our lives. Family is one of the pillars. Don't trade a strong foundation for the window dressing, no matter hoe appealing it is.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Take a long view

you most likely won't convince your dad or anyone that entrenched in their ways any time soon. You may not even get a word in edge wise. That's ok. Just keep being consistently right. Keep being the example. Point out areas where you agree. Convince him your ideas are really his ideas. Start off with the easy concepts. I would say the foreign aid issue approach that rand is using would be a good one, haha but sounds like even that may be a little too difficult for him right now, or perhaps it was just that the topic was raised with Rand Paul's name attached. You don't even need to mention them, just explain the principles. Fox News gives lips service to most of the principles Ron and Rand espouse even though it supports politicians and a party that upholds nor defends any such thing. The point is the people that watch Fox believe those politicians and the party do stand for those principles and ideals which are hollowly mentioned on the tv. Appeal to those ideas of conservatism and liberty that they've been taught the republican party is supposed to stand for. They will naturally agree and eventually think you are on their side, one of them and will listen to what you have to say more and more.

Soon they will start to see that the establishment, status quo, fox news and the republican party is not really following through with what they said they stood for. They'll be confused why they continue to bungle, mess things up, lie, cheat, steal and continuously throw up lousy candidates and lousy talking points and never get anything done in congress or the white house. Sooner or later they will become disillusioned with it all and remember you have been warning him all along. They will come to you for an explanation and to make sense of it all. That's when they are ready and you can begin to teach them the way the world works and what liberty really is and what this country was supposed to be about.

It may be several years down the road or even decades. Who knows? Patience and persistence is key. For me it's taken several years to help those close to me to come around. But they eventually did. There were many arguments, much ridiculing and scoffing, but I kept my cool and gave calm explanations for why I believed and felt the way I did. Never forced it on them or rubbed their faces in it. Eventually they came around. They told me I was right after all and they now come to me for my perspective on the issues of the day and they are starting to see the big picture and how it all works. It's not going to happen tomorrow. They may need to see a few more defeats politically and in their own life. They may need to be hurt financially even more to finally wise up to the fact that neither party is helping anyone and that the news media is just a sham. Then they'll be ready, and you should be too. Keep at it and dont get too frustrated that those close to you just dont get it right now. They will.

"You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they will fight to protect it."

Give them time and work on them like water.

I have somewhat similarly

I have somewhat similarly intense chats with my father-in-law. He's also an 'anybody but Obama' voter, but seems to like Rand Paul a lot while oddly giving RP no credit at all for anything.

So the other night he started ranting like usual about how we can't afford another 4 years of Obama, etc. I simply said that I don't find either of them all too inspiring. He went off saying something about me voting for Obama by voting for Ron Paul.

I reminded him how he was once part of the "anybody but Romney" crowd during the primaries. I also took the opportunity to point out how he does not have the freedom to truly vote his conscience & if he did explain to me how. He could say nothing about that as it's true he had absolutely zero love for Romney previously. He went from Bachmann to Cain to Gingrich this time around.

It's funny sometimes how he believes everything on Fox. So many times in the past few years I told him things that he did not believe (because Fox didn't say it) only to come back months later telling me that I was right.

A few months ago he was ranting about how if Ron Paul was so great why didn't he raise any money? Why did all the candidates raise more? That was a real fun time, because the fact is that Ron Paul raised much more than all the other candidates other than Romney and that's exactly what is reported on the official FEC website. My FIL was a bit perplexed as to why RP did not get much positive coverage considering his fundraising success (he figured all the other candidates must have raised a lot more because of how the press treated them versus RP... that sure confused him a bit).

Oh, about me voting for Ron Paul... I'll probably let him go on saying that for a while but at some point I'll educate him to the fact that our State does not allow write-in candidates (something he should already know considering he is so "informed") so it would be absolutely impossible for me to vote for RP here.

And if I get the angry "anybody but Obama" "you have to vote for Romney" speech again, I'll just tell him that what he's asking me to do is like asking me to decide which of two turds to eat. Even though one of the turds is a bit smaller than the other, I straight out do not like the idea of eating any turds at all... or even voting for one.

Despite the intense political talk somehow my father-in-law and I have a pretty good relationship.

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Get some good points/arguments down

And get your Dad to see the light! I work on this all the time with mine...I'll get there one day.