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Enter At Your Own Risk: Police Union Says ‘War-Like’ Detroit Is Unsafe For Visitors

DETROIT (WWJ) – The men and women of the Detroit Police Department believe the city is too dangerous to enter, and they want citizens to know it.

Detroit Police Officer Association (DPOA) Attorney Donato Iorio said officers are holding the “Enter At Your Own Risk” rally at 3:30 p.m. Saturday in front of Comerica Park to remind the public that the officers are overworked, understaffed, and at times, fearful for their lives.

“Detroit is America’s most violent city, its homicide rate is the highest in the country and yet the Detroit Police Department is grossly understaffed,” Iorio told WWJ’s Kathryn Larson. “The DPOA believes that there is a war in Detroit, but there should be a war on crime, not a war on its officers.”

Read more: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/enter-at-your-own-ris...




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I know Detroit.

Detroit can be safe only if you know where to go and which way to go to get there. Also, Detroit has it's "own" rules. You should know them and play by them. There are some cool things there. Of course if you like sports, such as the Red Wings, you will go there for that. I hear New York has it's own rules as well...probably safer though.

those cops are cowards

where's axel foley when you need him.

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Hey man, this place is

Hey man, this place is really, really dangerous. you should be scared witless, or at least scared enough to fork over a bunch more money to us, so that we can keep you safe. Never mind you have been paying us for 50 years, and all you got in return was more scary blight..... But man, thiiiiis time, it's different. It always is, say the progressives that you need to start believing in. So man, give me your money, otherwise the scary black dudes, or is it White supremacists, or Muslims, or virgins, or Mormons, or Christian fundamentalists, or Sovereign Citizens, or, or...... Just give me your money,OK?

i think

the blessings of DIEVERSITY are beginning to show up.
last i checked, Detroit (or urban Africa as others call it) was ONLY 90% DIVERSE, and i assume once it gets to 100% DIVERSE everything will be back on track.

btw, errbody check your privilege.

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Where liberty is, there is my country.
Benjamin Franklin

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
G. Washington

The problem is the Conyers

The problem is the Conyers and Kwame Kilpatrick who will be serving jail time.

Southern Agrarian

The problem started...

...with Mayor Young.

I grew up in Detroit, right

I grew up in Detroit, right now I live downriver (about 20 minutes south). I really enjoy Detroit, it has the most beautiful riverfront in the country (no joke). Mexican town is cheap with great food ($7 + tip is a meal for me and my fiance)! Greek town is fun, everything is open until 2am! The renaissance center has some cool things to do (coach insignia, volt).

Condos in corktown or midtown are popping up left and right. Quicken Loans is giving housing credit for their thousands of employees that live in the city. It's the "hippster" & Wayne State crowd that are making this city their own. They will ditch their car and bike everywhere they go... weird. Actually one of my employees fits into this category and he loves it!

You can find property for DIRTY cheap!!! Some of the mansions are so undervalued, you can scoop them up in a decent part of the neighborhood for $125,000. The only issue is that 1 block away, it's a war zome. I would never invest in the city... it has too much blithe and crime. You have to be careful when your out on the town in Detroit. I grew up in this area, so I always watch my surroundings.

Ps, if you go to any of the places I mentioned above you will see dozens of cops... Thousands of people park their cars for miles and walk to Comerica Park or to Joe Louis Arena. It's actually pretty safe. It's the inner city hood that you need to avoid. Never get gas in Detroit either... bad juju!

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Beware discussion about swooping in to repair neighborhoods. Look for credits talk, which leads to this question: Why have credit unions become more noticeable since 2008? Why are they weathering the economy? Why are they being promoted? How is banking with a credit union: Is it performed remotely, electronically, more so than banks? Just things to think about, to research.

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blight, bikes, high rise condos

sounds like UN Agenda 21.

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Why?

Why would anybody visit Detroit?

A lot of people still do...

...for sporting events and also there are still some major companies out there in which people come from everywhere to conduct business. For a vacation though...no way.

The article you linked states

The article you linked states that there are around 2,000 officers. Here's an article from just 4 months ago that states there are 2,600 officers: http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/655/another_detroit_...

Either they are playing with the numbers in that article or Detroit is losing officers at a 70% annual rate.

Here's an easy solution:

Average officer salary in Detroit, from what I could determine, is $50k to $60k.

Cut the pay roughly in half & double the number of police officers.

The article says that officers won't work for such low pay, but consider what our soldiers go through and how little they earn.

I've had several soldiers tell me that they would gladly work as police officers for $30k per year in a heartbeat. That probably means $25k might also be attractive to some. That's the kind of money that would give military soldiers a way out (because some get stuck making barely enough money to leave the military & signing bonuses that make it near impossible to leave because they are usually broke).

My guess is that young soldiers dodging bullets in Iraq & Afghanistan for $23k per year would probably consider working in Detroit for $25/30k to be a nice upgrade & better lifestyle.

Officers who are earning $50k+ very likely would not cooperate with this type of plan to double the police force but half the pay.

Detroit should phase in a totally new force and phase out the current police department. Current police would be welcomed to join the new force but they would need to be part of the new pay rate system. If they don't like it, work in the private sector.

There are viable solutions to their problems. Squeezing more money out of a broke city probably isn't one of the better ones.

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I agree.

I agree.

If the situation is really that bad, anyone with a reasonable amount of common sense can guess about the shock treatment for a cure, as I've seen the same illness happen elsewhere, direct result of statism. They really want to fix it ?

They go for it :

1. cut off all of the welfare funds that feed the unemployed thugs, just starve them out, reinvest funds into some more cops if necessary, for (2) :

2. leave entirely alone all the law abiding citizens, going with their business, while having ZERO tolerance for all violent crimes;

3. abort or end all federal gov't social programs, end the corresponding civil servants jobs, and exempt local businesses from all taxes, by special decreet; end the income tax on working households, too;

4. keep the strict necessary: firefighters, police, civil engineers, existing hospitals.

It's no economics mystery.

It's only corrupt political allegiance and cronyism that keep things degrading. Because always the same few who "manage" profit out of it, screwing the tax payer and honest workers.

But then again, such a successful recovery might set a "bad" example for the rest of a country subjected to always bigger and bigger gov't. A government for WASTE.

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"Just starve them out"

Yeah, that would be fabulous if there were actually a way to choose who you're starving. You'd cut food stamp programs, I'm guessing? And you're OK if kids might starve because of that? The undertone to that whole post is "It's fine guys, they're black and poor so we can just run them out like the vermin they are and then gentrify the place".

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Look up some records

"Yeah, that would be fabulous if there were actually a way to choose who you're starving."

People who cannot show evidence they have actively been looking for work for months or years would be a good start. Coming from a country where full blown welfare state is implemented and, as I witnessed BY MYSELF, literally kills some cities economics, just to sustain various kinds of cheaters. The same who also vote for always more government and funds coming to them, btw, I know a bit what I'm talking about, sorry about that.

Let's not be hypocrite. It's really not that difficult for local authorities to figure out who is milking the system and who is harmed by it. Hasn't the welfare state supposedly accumulated mounts of paperwork about everybody, in order to "take care" of those "who need" ?

Plus, I heard Detroit has once been pretty active economically without any gov't intervention, it's not a small town, I doubt it has ever been developed and has known prosperity thanks to the good will of bureaucrats only. Also, it's easy to choose and pick from my comment and make it sound like it's uncaring. But I also wrote that ending taxes on businesses and persons' income would help to make all those who really want to be back on track and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, enjoy the FULL fruits of THEIR sweat, FOR ONCE, instead of being stolen by the same bureaucrats to feed anonymous and lazy users of their hard earned money. And that, TOO, would contribute for a (positive) shock towards self-reliance and economic recovery.

Sincerely,

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You sure do have a lot of faith in "local authorities"

..to "figure out who is milking the system"--I've got news for you, in the eyes of those 'authorities' pretty much everyone there is milking the system because the authorities have no real communication with or sympathy for those they oversee.

I'm not a fan of the supposed "welfare state", but it's very much a hyped-up myth, at least insofar as Reagan's token example of the welfare queen. Most people in poverty in this country dip in and out of it rather than just sitting in it. People fall on hard times. I don't think it's correct to assume everyone in a downtrodden area's just a moocher, or that it's really easy to discern who's a moocher or who isn't.

The amount of money paid into food stamps or what have you is a drizzle compared to the hundreds of billions that those programs' political detractors wholeheartedly blew on blowing arabs to pieces. They believe in welfare, but rather, for corporations. They'd prefer money's funneled towards industries that work to hone the art of controlling and killing people swiftly and efficiently. Welfare isn't bankrupting the country. Warfare is.

Regardless, you are still endorsing allowing people to starve to "air out" an area, and that sort of rhetoric really stinks..

I know a bit what I'm talking about, sorry about that
This sentence doesn't make sense, why are you apologizing about anything

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Of course it's not correct

I don't think it's correct to assume everyone in a downtrodden area's just a moocher, or that it's really easy to discern who's a moocher or who isn't.

I never assumed or claimed that. I only stated : if the local administration really wants to, I'm sure they CAN dig up and find WHO has been collecting checks for much longer time than your national average or even local average. It is hypocrite and counter productive, IMO, merely on the pretense that one cannot make generalizations (and indeed, granted, we can't do that, to stay honest) to just DO NOTHING really MORE effective to bring more frauders to scrutiny, because they DO exist.

It is always much EASIER to call for more funds and put a heavier burden on the taxpayer than to just check, thoroughly, where, how, and for whom the money IS ACTUALLY spent. I have seen or read about the pattern all too well and way too many times in my own country, to believe that the people in Detroit is for some strange reason much more violent than elsewhere and that they are so in very specific and delimited areas only. Maybe this phenomenon is new for you in America, but then I'd suggest you learn from people from other countries much more familiar with the damages caused by insidiously greater and greater socialism.

This is a FACT, for instance :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_fraud#Prevalence_of_wel...

And granted, probably much more recent for the USA than for Europeans who have seen it happened as early as the 1980's.

In the above, while the misreported 24% in SD is likely to be disregarded, the near-2% prior confirmed at the national level isn't, and was HUGE already.

Finally, I reckon my "starving out" phrase was intended to be more figurative than anything else : of course I wouldn't cut the food stamps of a household that is struggling with their kids to keep themselves at the surface, doing everything they possibly can to make some income of their own by legal work.

All I said is : spot and stop "helping", conversely, people benefiting from the exact same system, but falling into the exact opposite pattern (receiving checks for a long time, but unable to show any evidence of job seeking or to bring any reliable employer testimony over the same long periods).

But of course, that is precisely the flaw-by-design and disgusting injustice of the welfare state : such fine grained analysis is EXCLUDED A PRIORI, yes, BY DESIGN, as it benefits the lazy and criminals who are put "in the same bag", from a bureaucratic viewpoint, as the rest of the honest working population, who is struggling in these areas where businesses are not encouraged to hire more or better, because they are taxed just as everywhere else and yet are in neighborhoods less and less safe, less and less appealing to honest people or investors.

I'm neither blind or an idiot. Also, I was rather confused and very sad when my american wife told me, the first time, she had known for a while in her neighborhood where she'd lived before we met several people living around her and able to buy expensive brand new cars / big SUVs ($20K+), and putting gas in those to drive around and show off, while being observably (by my wife, disgusted) unemployed and receiving welfare checks (as she would get some of theirs in the mail by mistake of the post office guy a few times). I had never expected to hear that from an american. That's about the same period, three or so years ago I got interested to hear more from her father about Ron Paul, btw.

People observably living beyond their supposed means and yet qualifying for welfare checks ? Yeah, right. That's how I knew the same sort of cancer I knew already for long had started to develop here also, in the USA.

So, I guess you're right and in the end, as always ... just nothing really courageous will be done in Detroit but to call for more public funds to pay more cops to fight against always more crooks, thieves, thugs, and gangs.

QED.

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I'm back and forth to Detroit

I'm back and forth to Detroit all the time, the cities fine, residential areas are where the problems lie. "War-Like" is an overstatement, but they genuinely are under staffed and under paid in Detroit. The nine person city council has a million dollar's a piece every year to do what they want, but their cutting emergency services and the pay for those that aren't cut. The welfare state and political corruption the cities complicit too will force reform on the city soon enough I'd imagine.

Disband the city police

Disband the city police department and turn enforcement over to the county sheriff with his posses and deputies.

one of the most iodine-deficient cities

... also just happens to be the most violent. Not a coincidence ... not by a long-shot:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15292317

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15734706

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I guess I can say thank you to my growing up on the seashore

I guess I can say thank you to my growing up on the seashore of Normandy. j/k

Thanks for the links, I didn't know about this relation.

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The problem is....

The district departments are taking bribes from so many criminal elements, and money for their police state from the gov't.

They have the tools, and the money, but if they use them on the criminal element (which pays better, and in cash) they would have to give up their lifestyles and take hits on their personal finances.....

So, let the unions come up with a face for the problem, and soak the public for more funds!

Typical corrupt politics!

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
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It is time to let Michigan hunters have an "open seaon".

They would clean up Detroit in no time.

I read about Detroit becoming

an artsy squattertown. I suppose it depends on what section you're in.

yea...

but at least Detroit is safer than being in Baghdad.

Coming to a Town or City Near You...

Well whether this is just a give us more money and police plea or not it will get much worse. Every town city and state across the country is broke and living on credit!.

Someone once said when the police and fire fighters etc stop getting paycheck is when society will collapse...

Either way its coming to a town or city near you!

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numbers , numbers, numbers

They don't give enough numbers to tell what is really going on. However, they do give enough to slant it to try to make you think they don't have enough police.

Let's see if they still had 2,000 police they would be above average. They don't say how many they lost though but make you think they need more than 2,000 which would be overkill, no?

They also don't mention that the population has decreased by 25% in the past 10 years either so you would expect to need less police. I am not saying that their job is easy because I know its not. I just get tired of the numbers games.

I wonder if they require officers to live in town.