The Fair Tax Would Be Good For Liberty
Submitted by GeneLouis on Sat, 10/06/2012 - 21:49There have been so many postings with inaccurate information on Fair Tax (H.R. 25) that I had to write this article to illuminate the reason why Fair Tax is the best tax proposal available and why it provides us with a good opportunity to promote liberty.
I have been interested in various proposals to eliminate the income tax since 1980. At that time, I began to question the reasons why the IRS had to be so abusive with their useless record keeping requirements, their abusive audits, their unjust penalties, and other business killing actions. Fair Tax was launched fifteen years later, in 1995, and it offered the best political chance that I had seen to eliminate the IRS, eliminate the income tax, and eliminate the 16th Amendment.
Here are some of the major points that would be of specific interest to liberty seekers:
1. No Tax is Fair.
There is no such thing as a tax that is fair. Taxing is the same as stealing, which is a violation of the ten commandments and a violation of natural law. However, if you want to eliminate taxation completely, it is not going to happen with this current government monstrosity. According to some historians, a major reason why the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation was to allow the Federal Government to collect taxes. H.R. 25 assumes that you want the least invasive, politically possible method to feed a government that will steal from you regardless of your desire for a voluntary society. Fair Tax has the added advantage that it will provide an incentive for the public to become more liberty minded and will encourage new public cries for a society that is freedom oriented.
2. Fair Tax is Currently Sponsored by About 70 Congressmen and 8 Senators.
Ron Paul said that he would not co-sponsor it, but he would vote for it if he had the chance. There is more support for Fair Tax in Washington than any other tax proposal. However, if the President chooses something other than the Fair Tax, his party would probably fall in line with his tax system and it would probably be vastly more abusive and unfair than the H.R. 25.
3. Fair Tax Would Eliminate the IRS, the Income Tax, and the Sixteenth Amendment.
When you read the legislation (see the Thomas Link Below), you will see that it's purpose is clear and the idea is simple. Each state would collect a revenue neutral sales tax. It would eliminate income tax games, lobbying, and IRS abuse. Individuals would not have to continue to waste their time and money to preserve old, useless records. And there would be no more IRS threats and possible jail sentences for individuals. Businesses would still have to collect a sales tax, but it would be easier and less abusive than the income tax.
4. H.R. 25 is a Tax Bill - Not A Budget.
We already know that Congress does not pass balanced, limited, or useful budgets. That is a separate issue. Fair Tax is a method to fund the budget AFTER Congress spends the money. They will always get their money unless they miraculously come up with a budget that does not require funding. Fair Tax just determines how they will collect (steal) that money.
5. Economic Research For Fair Tax was Privately Funded By Consumers Like You and Me.
Over twenty million dollars in consumer money was donated to conduct the research that is currently being used to promote the Fair Tax. It is well funded, well thought out, expertly documented, approved by over eight economists, and the best consumer oriented tax method available.
6. Fair Tax Would Collect Money From the Underground Economy AND the 47% Who do Not Owe IRS Taxes.
Perhaps no one knows the size of the underground economy from drug dealers, illegal aliens, income tax cheaters, and other “under the table” producers. Some researchers have predicted that these hidden transactions add up to 50% of the size of the known economy. In addition, the known 47% who do not pay income taxes would have to pay the sales tax every time they make a purchase. Fair Tax consumption taxes collected by each state would have to be paid by these people to survive, even if they pursued a few underground transactions with the sales tax. This would be tax money that the IRS does not receive. The extra collections would reduce the amount of money that everyone else pays.
7. Congress Can Raise The Fair Tax Rate Any Time They Wish.
And they can raise the income tax rate or any taxes any time they wish. The beauty about the Fair Tax is that it is transparent. Every receipt would itemize the exact amount of Fair Tax being paid each time a consumer makes a purchase. Taxes would no longer be hidden and the consumer would be constantly reminded that the government is stealing from them. This might bring new liberty lovers into the political realm due to the rage it would create.
8. The Poor Would Not Have To Pay Taxes On Food and Necessities.
The major objection to the Fair Tax is that the poor would be given a heavier burden than they have under the income tax. This is not true. The Fair Tax includes a provision that would provide a grant for basic necessities. This provision of the Fair Tax is the least popular by idealists but it is the only way to prevent poor people from suffering from a regressive tax. And it is the only way to make the Fair Tax (or any tax) politically possible.
9. The Fair Tax IS Constitutional – The Income Tax is NOT Constitutional.
Fair Tax is an indirect excise tax. Section 8, Clause 1 permits a uniform tax such as the Fair tax. The complaints about the Constitution should be directed to the spending and budget, not to the Fair Tax.
Once again, no tax is Fair. But we will have a tax whether we like it or not. So, why not fight for a tax that will promote liberty, obey the constitution, and eliminate IRS tyranny?
Follow the Links Below To Learn More About The Fair Tax:
Discussion on the Constitutionality of Fair Tax by Karen Walby, Ph.D. :
http://www.fairtaxnation.com/profiles/blogs/response-to-thos...
Article By Leo Linback, Founder of Fair Tax:
http://jacksonville.com/business/columnists/2012-10-05/story...
The Only Tax Replacement Plan Backed By Eighty Economists:
http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/Open_Letter.pdf
Official Fair Tax Site:
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage2
Library Of Congress – Thomas- Official Fair Tax Bill”
http://thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.25:
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I Tend to Agree
I tend to agree with the arguments.
I would like to point out, however, that some states don't collect any sales tax, currently. So, that would be an additional burden--more than off-set by not having to fill out their own tax forms for the IRS, and the same for all their employees, and customers, etc.
It would totally remove the incentive for Congress to micro-manage our lives.
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Here is how you can tell it isn't good for us
Just by reading this one point you wrote
"2. Fair Tax is Currently Sponsored by About 70 Congressmen and 8 Senators."
If there are that many onboard then something is definitely fishy about the whole thing.
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Ron Paul Had Many More Co-Sponsors for Audit The Fed
If the number of sponsors is an indicator of the problem with legsilation, then the Audit The Fed legislation must have been really bad according to that logic.
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Not to mention
that neo-con in Libertarian's clothing Neil Boortz is obsessed with the fair tax, and i think was instrumental somehow in its upbringing.
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The trail leads to the Kochtopus then?
Ugh.
Free includes debt-free!
Yea, fishy
...like Dr. Paul's audit the Fed bill, which passed the House and has substantially more than 8 sponsors in the Senate. /sarc
If you automatically reject everything that has actual political support, that means you're never going to support anything that can actually pass! It's a recipe for failure.
It's good be skeptical, but look at the facts in each case. The Fair Tax concept is either good or bad on its own merit, regardless of who supports it.
Fair Tax + Repeal of 16th Amendement ..
... is about the best we can hope for in the current national / global environment.
It is realistically, politically, and reasonably possible within our lifetimes.
It is lightyears better than what we currently have, which is destroying our economy and our freedoms.
Any other proposals I have seen - including a complete repeal of the 16ht Amendment with NO replacement - are totally unrealistic to expect
... barring a complete collapse of our currency and government and subsequent restructuring of the entire thing.
Those holding out for perfection - in this case - can expect nothing.
You need a reality check.
I'm good with repealing the 16th Amendment.
Though the paper work for the 16th Amendment was never properly tendered. Philander Knox merely proclaimed it passed.
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FairTax = Corruption, Lies and Deception
In Response to your FairTax "list"
1. No Tax is Fair.
Not the issue; The issue is whether or not it is ENUMERATED or CONSENSUAL or CONSTITUTIONAL. The Fairtax is none of these. See Below.
2. Fair Tax is Currently Sponsored by About 70 Congressmen and 8 Senators.
No Doubt! The FairTax will increase the taxing power and invasiveness of the Federal Government; It will increase availability of federal funds for all exclusive privileged intities, Corporate Contracts, Government Union Bureaucracies and Special Interest Grants manipulated by Lobbyists. They are either self serving, corrupt or ignorant of the limits set by the founders.
3. Fair Tax Would Eliminate the IRS, the Income Tax, and the Sixteenth Amendment.
And replace it with an invasive federal / state Business Regulatory Bureaucracy to regulate all BUSINESS and BUSINESS Transactions; Defined by THEM; which is ANYONE who involves himself with the transfer of money or goods; i.e. EVERYONE; i.e. a BUY, SELL and TRADE Tax.
4. H.R. 25 is a Tax Bill - Not A Budget.
And this makes you feel safe??? hahahaha! sorry.
5. Economic Research For Fair Tax was Privately Funded By Consumers Like You and Me.
Yeah right. All we had to do is research the Constitution to see through that sales line. As with those endorsing the FairTax, They are either self serving, corrupt or ignorant of the limits set by the founders.
6. Fair Tax Would Collect Money From the Underground Economy AND the 47% Who do Not Owe IRS Taxes.
The Income tax does that now through the "BURDEN" of taxation, which transfers the taxes onto products & services down to the lowest person on the poll who cannot write it off further. OWE has nothing to do with whether or not the consumer pays the BURDEN" of taxation, which is "EVERYONE" who buys "ANYTHING" in this country.
7. Congress Can Raise The Fair Tax Rate Any Time They Wish.
HO! THAT makes me feel safe!, First they enact an UNENUMERATED, FLAT PERCENTAGE 23% sales tax, then empower it with federal authority to RAISE IT at ANY TIME THEY WISH!!! Which will ALSO AUTOMATICALLY INCREASE with an INCREASE from income transferred to SALES from the increased private sector economy!!! YEOW! OUCH! THAT's GONNA HURT!!!
Just think of all those new Dependent Government Union Bureaucracies they can create with that increase and then watch them demand their pay and benefits when the economy drops!!! Wait a minute - That is whats happening now as well. Same Same but worse.
8. The Poor Would Not Have To Pay Taxes On Food and Necessities.
OOPS! BIG LIE! The "BURDEN" of Taxation will be passed down on the merchandise of food and necessities the same as it is passed down by the income tax; Do you really think that a business that buys products that have a 23% Sales Tax are not going to try to pass that tax onto the CONSUMER??? DREAMER!
9. The Fair Tax IS Constitutional – The Income Tax is NOT Constitutional.
BIGGEST LIE!!! The FairTax is EQUALLY as UNCONSTITUTIONAL as the income tax, as it is an UNENUMERATED tax, which is a ARROGATION of POWER, EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED; The States cannot arrogate a new power on the federal government any more than the federal government can upon itself, as that is MEANS to ARROGATE that power which is EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.
Conclusion on the FairTax list:
The FairTax = Corruption, Lies and Deception.
EVERY LAST BIT OF IT.
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These Quote from the Founders of the Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788 is part of what I posted Below, (The FairTax is Unconstitutional and Dangerous - Here is why) which has a few more quotes, links and information but it begs repeating:
George Nicholas and others in the same Virginia Convention 6-16-1788 http://www.pacificwestcom.com/americanpatriotpartynewsletter described the limitation to taxation under the welfare Clause and powers granted:
George Nicholas: "....that this "general welfare" was united, "NOT" to "the general power of legislation", but to the >particular power> of laying and collecting taxes, imposts, and excises, for the "PURPOSE" of paying the "DEBTS" and providing for the "COMMON DEFENCE", that is, that they could raise (ONLY!!!!) AS MUCH money (ONLY!!!) as would pay the DEBTS and provide for the "COMMON DEFENCE", in "CONSEQUENCE OF THIS POWER"."
The Federal Government can COLLECT TAXES UNDER THIS CLAUSE FOR "TWO THINGS ONLY", "DEFENSE" AND "DEBT" - NOTHING ELSE!
Can the states arrogate more powers to the federal government? NO.
Here is Edmond Pendleton (same convention):
"...With respect to the necessity of the "ten miles square" (Washington, DC - Federal Government) being superseded by the subsequent clause, which gives them power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers "VESTED" by "THIS" Constitution in the government of the United States, or in "any department" or officer thereof, I understand that clause as NOT going a "single step beyond" the "DELEGATED powers". >>>What can it act upon? "Some" power given by this Constitution. If they should be about to pass a law in consequence of this clause, they must pursue some of the "DELEGATED powers", >>>>"BUT" can by "NO MEANS" depart from them, >>>>>(N)OR "ARROGATE" "ANY NEW" powers; for the PLAIN LANGUAGE of the clause is, to give them power to pass laws in order to give "effect" to the >>>"DELEGATED" powers"..."
Changing Enumerated Taxation to UNENUMERATED taxation is an ARROGATION OF POWER! Expressly Prohibited;
The States cannot "Ratify" or "Amend" ANY Power outside the limited DELEGATED Powers, as that would be a "MEANS"; EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.
This one days Convention is part of our "Suggested Reading" documents.
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Obviously, You Are Prejudiced Against Fair Tax
Congress will always do what they want to do. There is no current legislation that cannot be changed. If that is what you want, then just sit back and ignore the government. That is your choice.
If you want to go to zero taxes with one piece of legislation, then good luck. Let me know the Bill number and I will probably support it with you.
In the meantime, I will support Fair Tax and you will be content with watching the IRS grow for the rest of your life.
In terms of your false allegations of Rich Fat Cat support, you can keep dreaming. I know many of the people involved with Fair Tax and I support it. None of us are fat cats and, in my case, Fair Tax would RAISE my personal taxes. The few people who are funding the largest block of donations to FT are businessmen who made money the old fashioned way - hard work and honesty.
Maybe this is not your intention, but your comments make you seem like a "liberal" "Democrat' who hates the rich because rich people earned their way to success. If you are really a liberty seeker, you would look for ways to enhance liberty, not call it's seekers names.
As offered previously, contact me and I will discuss the factual details with you so that you do not continue to spout false information about FT or it's supporters.
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I just obey the Constitution
As for prejudice against the Fair Tax, I don't have to be;
The Fair tax would empower the federal government simply by it's existence.
Why do not all these people you know spend time simply removing the income tax amendment?
The "Original" Constitution the Founders INTENDED, Read This way:
Article 1, Section 9:
"No Capitation, or OTHER direct, Tax shall be laid, UNLESS in "Proportion to the Census or ENUMERATION" herein before directed to be taken."
Was amended to:
Amendment 16:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, WITHOUT apportionment among the several States, and WITHOUT regard to any census of enumeration."
What are you having a hard time understanding?
The FairTax MAINTAINS the Corruption; It CONTINUES to finance Wasteful government, Corrupt practices and Manipulation; It Changes NOTHING but how it collects the SAME AMOUNT (and more! The Fair Tax even SAYS IT WILL!) TO SUPPORT A CORRUPT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Why not simply spend all their time, money and resources canvasing for repeal of the 16th amendment;
(UNLESS they hope to gain something from the FairTax! ... Which is simply a more intrusive "Jealousy Tax")
To correct you, I am a Common Law Constitutionalist, which is about as far from "liberal" as you can get;
...and I know the difference between Constitutionalism (Common Law) and Liberalism (as well as Libertarianism); Where many do not.
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If they pass the "fair tax", they still won't eliminate
the income tax. They will use that as a ruse to get you accept a huge national sales tax.
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Congress Can Always do What They Want
There is nothing that we can do to stop Congress from doing what they want to do - except - maybe - get a new Congress. We are doing everything we can to get that new Congress.
In the meantime,
They WILL give us a national sales tax or VAT, whether FT is passed or not. That is the reason why Fair Tax must be passed. HR 25 eliminates the IRS and the income tax and, eventually the sixteenth amendment. If Congress ignored HR 25 after it passsd, the transparency would just add to the documented charges against our method of operating government.
The alternative is to sit back, watch, and wait for their next tyrannical move.
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that is exactly what it is..
that is exactly what it is.. just a set up for VAT tax.
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
??
lol - it REPEALS the 16th ammendmant - just saying - and considering income tax is to me 3 months of my 12 month income besides the other taxes it eliminates - ill gladly pay 20 cents sales tax, and enjoy it being the only tax, and me being able to save my money, and reward savings - and bring millions of jobs here because of no income or corporoate or small business capital gains etc - NO TAXES NO LOOPHOLES noone can avoid a sales tax including vacationoers from other countries, and illegals, drug dealers etc - come on - NOONES LIIEING about the fair tax but you - we ARE ADVOCATING a sales tax BUT ELIMINATING the others. and not taxing production, but consumption, not counting you 200 dollar a month check ud get in the mail.
Freedom.
You're obviously not real seasoned in politics
Big ideas like a national sales tax need to be eased in with a few pie in the sky things. Just watch, if the fair tax gets legs and passes, it will be after it's amended include language that forms a commission to study ways to "phase-out" the income tax. Then the phase-out will never actually happen because the commission will decide it's a bad idea. The national sales tax will stay in place.
That's how Washington really works. No tax goes away, but every new one includes a promise (in the beginning at least) of an old one going away.
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Mike - I DO know
I've watched sausage making in legislatures for the past thirty-five years. If you just sit back and complain that all compromises are bad and, as a a result, refuse to do anything, you will get what you asked for.
WE have gotten an IRS that will not be able to be reversed next year when Obama Care goes into 100% effect. The national sales tax ideas have been around since I started to look at them thirty-five years ago. But no one would support them because they might turn out to be "bad". So, now the IRS will become the heart of the American government
Dr. Paul got some value out of his audit the Fed law last year, even though aspects of it turned out to be legislation. However, with it, we have more evidence of Fed anti-American tactics than anytime in history. You cannot just sit back and expect things to improve just because the new idea might be distorted.
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lol
i love the pompous tone - its like the establishment - all claim to have the answer - but anything that is an actual proposition - find a way even if you like it - to down it - because if someone lets say gary johnson was president - i HIGHLY doubt he'd do anything the way you like to say "things are done" - just because the systems fd, doesnt mean everything or everyone works that way, and it doesnt mean you denegrate the idea - because you my friend, did not bash the idea of the fair tax, u bashed the system that would implement it - you must not be real seasoned in political debate.
Freedom.
and please
i corrected your lie - and you reply to me correcting you was changed to not the fair tax, but the implementation - doesnt that mean you admitted you were wrong - i commented on your lie - sorry broseph.
Freedom.
I hate to break it to you, broseph, but Gary Johnson won't win
So I'm not disagreeing that Gary Johnson and a Congress full of folks like him probably wouldn't do things "the way they are done", but your current Congress and either of the candidates 95% of the voters have ever even heard of do things the way they do. To support them adding a new tax, promises or not, is insanity. It's like the people who want a Constitutional Convention; it sounds good until you consider the potential amendments by our current Congress. Reality sucks but it does exist.
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is that all
you ever use to argue? it cant happen? and if it does it wont be what you claim lol when dr paul ran you must have said "he cant win" = get real.
Freedom.
your also
eating your own words and agreeing while disagreeing = when this whole argument is about you lieeing in your post and me calling you out.. think about it - im done - :)
Freedom.
What exactly did I lie about?
That politicians make promises they never intend to keep? Or something else?
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some of you are nuts
first of all a fair tax is NO INCOME TAX - like half of you are arguing about income tax alone not even addressing the concept of the fair tax in the first place. like you want total anarchy, whats the point in a constitution if you want 0 government. argue the fair tax sure, but the FACT is people wnat things like security, i dont really feel like having to all hire mercenaries thank you very much. taxes are in no way against the constitution or wrong to do, anything federal the state has to opt in and/or our but thats the key - its not by force - the fair tax in our era - is the logical next step like it or not - stop taxing production, savings etc etc - no wealth or taxes - tax consumption, and supply us with essential needs that we like government for THATS ITS. restore the republic - now ill watch all the negative nancys jump on me lol :) but for real, you'll never get anywhere advocating 0 government and 0 tax because the majority wont side with you, ever. make the next logical ACCOMPLISHABLE step.
Freedom.
Not "Zero" Government, Constitutionally Limited Government.
BIG DIFFERENCE!
Here are some Constitutional Facts, if we obey the Constitution:
The Federal Government can Collect taxes under the Welfare Clause ONLY for "National Defense" and "National Debt".
See Quotes from the Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788 Below.
A "Constitutional" Import tax will easily cover that. And it takes far less regulation, as taxing a product that passes on a table requires no information of a companies business practice or papers, if a crate of ten shoes enters, the tax is paid on the 10 shoes. That's it.
*WHAT the Federal Government can collect taxes FOR "IS" LIMITED.
Welfare checks? Nyet! Comrade! Social Security Checks? No; Income Tax Regulations and IRS salaries i.e. "INTERNAL REVENUE"??? No.
Can the Federal Government even govern POLICE outside the 10 miles square of Washington DC??? No. This is FACT.
Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788 answers both of these:
IN FULL: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/americanpatriotpartynewsletter/
Mr. PENDLETON. Mr. Chairman, this clause does "NOT" give Congress power to impede the operation of ANY PART of the Constitution,
>>>>>(N)or to make "ANY REGULATION" that (EVEN)"MAY" affect the interests of the citizens of the Union at large.
But it (the sweeping i.e. supremacy clause) gives them power over the "LOCAL police of the place" (ONLY), so as to be secured from any interruption in their proceedings. Notwithstanding the violent attack upon it, I believe, sir, this is the >>>"fair construction of the clause". It gives them power of exclusive legislation in any case within THAT DISTRICT (i.e. WASHINGTON DC).
What is the meaning of this? What is it opposed to? Is it opposed to the "general powers of the federal legislature", or to those of the state legislatures? I understand it as opposed to the legislative power of that "state WHERE it shall be".
What, then, is the power? It is, that Congress shall exclusively legislate "THERE", in order to preserve {440} serve "the police" of "THE PLACE" and their "OWN" "PERSONAL" independence, that they may not be overawed or insulted, and of course to preserve them in opposition to any attempt by the state "where it shall BE" this is the "FAIR CONSTRUCTION"." (i.e. LIMIT)
Can they Arrogate NEW POWERS? No. (see below)
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NOW Let's take prosecuting crimes:
The Federal Government CANNOT prosecute more than the 4 crimes delegated to it;
1.) Treason,
2.) Piracy/felonies on the high seas (ONLY),
3.) Law of Nations
4.) Counterfeit of the Federal Currency
Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions 1798, Paragraph #2: "...and NO OTHER CRIMES WHATSOEVER..." and all "other crimes and definition of crimes" are "Solely the responsibility of the "STATES" Each within THEIR RESPECTIVE TERRITORIES"
That says it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS!
IRS crimes? No. Drug Crimes? No.
Not Delegated? = NO AUTHORITY!
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So if the federal government can:
a.) Make NO REGULATION that may effect the citizens of the Union at large,
b.) Cannot govern police (FBI CIA ICE FDA DEA etc. etc. etc. outside the 10 miles square of Washington DC;
c.) Only use the Welfare Clause for 2 things only National Defense and National Debt.
d.) Cannot prosecute but 4 crimes that RARELY OCCUR!
...The federal government will not need that much money!
Follow this with the fact the federal government CANNOT ARROGATE ANY NEW POWER OUTSIDE THE LIMITED DELEGATED POWERS OF THE ORIGINAL COMPACT, NOT EVEN BY ONE STEP!
Edmund Pendleton:"...I understand that clause as NOT going a "SINGLE STEP BEYOND" the "DELEGATED powers". What can it act upon? Some power given by "THIS" Constitution. If they (the federal government) should be about to pass a law in consequence of this clause, they must pursue some of the "DELEGATED powers", but can by "NO MEANS" depart from them,
(N)OR "ARROGATE" "ANY NEW" powers; for the PLAIN LANGUAGE of the clause is, to give them power to pass laws in order to give "effect" to the "DELEGATED" powers"."
The money will stay in the states and anything else, it's up to the states to deal with.
And further THIS VERY CLEAR LIMITATION:
James Madison:
"I cannot comprehend that the (Federal Government's) "power of legislating" over a "SMALL DISTRICT", which "CANNOT EXCEED" "TEN MILES SQUARE", and "MAY NOT BE MORE" than ONE MILE, will involve the dangers which he (Patrick Henry) apprehends. If there be any knowledge in my mind of the nature of man, I should think it would be the last thing that would enter into the mind of any man to grant exclusive advantages, in a "VERY CIRCUMSCRIBED DISTRICT", to the prejudice of the community at large. "
Now do you see?
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If I remember correctly,
your paycheck is not "income", it is a "wage" and therefore NOT TAXABLE!!! The Federal Income Tax is for "income"...as in, stock profits or dividends.
Besides, with Congress involved in it a "flat tax" will have an up-swing chart...hardly flat! And a "fair tax"...huh...fair to whom?
I'm with RP on this one...flat as a flitter...as in zero. Didn't our government function just fine without a federal income tax for nearly 150 years until 1913?
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"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry
It is not nice to lie or steal.
A Fair Tax authorizes neither lying or thieving.
Free includes debt-free!
The FairTax Both Lies and Steals - See above and below Posts
Even the Title lies.
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If government has a great idea let them have a money bomb.
Or a telethon. If anyone volunteers, then great.
A Fair Tax or withholding tax or Income Tax implies I need or want a government to force me to serve them my money or goods.
When the Constitution was ratified the US was burdened by foreign debt.
Had the Constitution prohibited federal debt then the tax problem would have been solved by 1835.
I believe that the liberty for all is the only General Welfare. Hard to see how stealing from some to pay others to do a task promotes the general Welfare.
Found interesting commentary on http://www.pacificwestcom.com/americanpatriotpartynewsletter/
Thanks.
Free includes debt-free!
im on board with the FairTax
woohoo