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Plane captured turning off its aerosol Chemtrail sprayer Wexford Ireland 7th Oct 2012

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So what -- Talking about it doesn't stop it. What are you going

to do -- vote and lobby (grow gov't) or turn to Buying Local - Stop Paying Taxes (somehow) - Stop Banking Commercially - Eliminate all Dollar-backed Assets from your Portfolio - Go live in the woods (off-grid).

Because ONLY those people are NOT contributing -- save when they use gas, metal products or tools, or buy food that was transported using oil/gas/electric means.

Soooo -- If you want to begin a dialogue on this topic begin with "WE are spraying chemtrails" -- We the People (people who contribute to the big wheel that keeps on turning -- corporatism).

I'm one of the more astute DP members when it comes to "participation" and I'M PARTICIPATING in the creation, continuance, and formation of Corporatism and whatever will follow.

I am not free.

"WE - are spraying chemtrails" and "WE - must have a reason for doing it -- what is it?"

Always use the word "we" -- you ARE participating (especially if you use the internet or if you vote or lobby).

The color of the contrail is not from water.

Spectroscopic analysis could confirm the trails contents.

Free includes debt-free!

would yall stop debunking this fellow

shut up , watch this , then discuss

oh yeah its all propaganda,

face it aluminum and other metals are being put into our atmosphere
for some nefarious reason.

monsanto is changing the very agriculture that the world depends on with inadequate testing before our wonderful government passes it off as safe,


"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Contrails (not chemtrails) in the 1940's

Google Image Search for 'B-17 Contrails':


Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

This isn't a "SWITCHING OFF"

This isn't a "SWITCHING OFF" - This is simply from the aircraft flying over cloud cover. It looks like it disappears because you can see blue sky through the light cloud cover but it is really just diffusing the light reflection of the contrail.

Right...may I see your

Right...may I see your meteorology degree?

It's obvious the trail stops in the second shot of it.

there is cloud-cover. It

there is cloud-cover. It looks blue but if you look at the point at which the trail disappears you can see the depth between the trail and the cloud layer. Its almost an optical illusion, but I have seen this multiple times.

Evergreen Air

Evergreen Air Jet

Evergreen Air is a CIA front company for chemtrail operations within the US, based out of Marana Air Park near Tucson Arizona and McMinville Oregon, near Portland.
A major missing piece of a grand conspiracy has been targeted by a drunk pilot. In a small town 30 miles east of the Pacific Ocean in Oregon is the center of a major global operation. At a bar in McMinnville, Oregon, an inebriated pilot attempted to impress one of the pretty ladies with tales of his secret mission.

The pilot’s pathetic attempt to portray himself as a Sean Connery or Daniel Craig caused him to (ante up) his importance and spill the secrets of the CIA’s asset Evergreen International Aviation.

The slurred revelations confirmed suspicions that Evergreen (International Aviation) is part of the major crap dump on the planet. Chemtrails made up aluminum, barium and other ingredients contribute to respiratory ills and change the acidity of the soil.

Evergreen works from over a 100 bases and employees 4,500 people. Delford Smith privately owns the company. They admittedly “perform” for the CIA.

Evergreen was given a no contest bid that gave them all the facilities in Marana, Arizona that previously belonged to CIA’s Air America (Pinal Air Park, Arizona).

The security at the Pinal site is said to be as severe as that of Area 51. It is run as a military base where one lost pilot got an armed escort immediately off the operational base. The 10 year pilot said it was nothing like anything he has ever seen.

Evergreen International Aviation brags of their planes that have 7 times the capacity of other fire fighters. One can carry 20,000 galleons. Firefighting … Right … and next we will be told the chem trails are to prevent global warming as millions more are advancing to an early death.

Evergreen International Aviation has exemptions from the law that are advertised on their web site. They can fly anywhere and not stay on a designated route. Has CFR members paved the way? People like Philip Lader and John Wheeler III … they were in a position to do just that.

Evergreen’s public relations (propaganda) spokesman is handled by WPP run by Council on Foreign Relations member Philip Lader. He worked under the present head of the CIA … Leon Panetta as White House deputy of staff under Bill Clinton.

Philip Lader is an “inside” authority on international affairs and business. He is the non-executive Chairman of WPP Group, Senior Adviser to Morgan Stanley International, and a board member for think-tank RAND Corporation. He is also a trustee of UC Rusal (largest aluminum company in the world) the British Museum and St. Paul’s Cathedral Foundation. Ambassador Lader has addressed trans-Atlantic audiences from the U.N.’s General Assembly Hall to state chambers of commerce and local world affairs councils, is a member of Rockefeller’s Council on Foreign Relations.

Philip Lader (CFR) is a key player driving toward world government. In addition to running the Public Relations for Evergreen International Aviation … Lader is a director of UC Rusal, the largest Aluminum producer in the world located in Moscow, Sweden, Italy, and Australia. Nathaniel Rothschild is a big investor.

Eugenic operation of Chemtrails has had the assistance of Mitre a non-profit Corporation that manages the Federal Aviation Administration, Homeland Security, and IRS. (1) The IRS is part of the Federal Reserve which is a major transmission belt driving the conspiracy.

Philip Lader’s fellow Council on Foreign Relations member John P Wheeler III was recently dumped into a land fill in Wilmington, Delaware. Wheeler III was a consultant to Mitre the non profit corporation with jurisdictional advice over the Federal Aviation Administration’s flight patterns.

Was John P. Wheeler III to sentimental for the killing underway? And got murdered by the Company?

The CIA is the enforcement arm of the Council on Foreign Relations

Mitre is conveniently located in McLean,Virginia home of the CIA.

Thanks to the drunken pilot and his loose lips … the Free People of the world can focus on the criminals who are poisoning our air and our water.

The Dark History – In 1976 Senator Frank Church submitted CIA General Counsel Lawrence Houston to intense grilling over the Agency’s questionable and illegal operation of proprietary air transport services.

At that time, Houston admitted that the CIA had routinely used the United States Postal Service and the U.S. Forrest Service as covers for covert activities. Houston admitted that The Forest Service had been infiltrated by CIA and that CIA shared an address with the Forrest Service’s Air Research and Development unit on Kent Street in Alexandria, VA.

Since 1973 the CIA had been anticipating this and had moved quickly to give all of its clandestinely owned aircraft to its alleged proprietary, Evergreen International based out of Marana Air Park near Tucson Arizona and McMinville Oregon, near Portland. Coincidentally, Medford Oregon is the home base of aircraft broker Roy Reagan. Reagan was convicted in 1997, along with another man on criminal charges stemming from a scheme to fraudulently take $80 million worth of airplanes from the U.S. government and place them in private hands. Reagan was also the broker for Evergreen according to a lawsuit filed by former CIA pilot Gary Eitel.

Implicated in a plan to blow up New York City

An alleged plot to blow up the pipeline and tanks that feed jet fuel to John F. Kennedy international airport, in New York, was thwarted at the weekend with the arrest of a “cell” of Islamic extremists from the Caribbean.

It is claimed that the alleged plotters planned to destroy the “whole of Kennedy” in a series of explosions that would make the September 11 attack “seem small”.

It is claimed that Mr Defreitas, 63, a naturalized US citizen born in Guyana, told the informant that he wanted to attack the airport because in the early 1990s he had seen missiles being shipped to Israel while he was working for Evergreen International Aviation.

Saturday, October 06, 2012 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/037451_chemtrails_conspiracy_theo...

(NaturalNews) Those long, white streams of persistent, cloudy haze commonly blasted into blue skies by unmarked airplanes are not your typical contrails, says Swedish Green Party leader Pernilla Hagberg. As reported by the Swedish paper Katrineholms Kuriren, Hagberg, the first major political leader to come forward on the issue, has openly admitted that these unusual cloud trails, which fail to dissipate like normal contrails do, are actually a toxic mix of chemicals, viruses, and metals that she has collectively referred to as "chemtrails."

According to Hagberg, the sprayings are a joint endeavor by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), as well as the Swedish government in her own country, to modify atmospheric conditions via deliberate aerosol spraying efforts. And included in this "dangerous" mix of aerosols are various chemical components, viruses and viral fragments, and metals such as aluminum and barium, which have already been shown to be accumulating in water supplies and soils around the world. (http://chemtrails.cc/)

Normal contrails, which are composed of mere water vapor that quickly dissipates after emission from jet engines, are far different from chemtrails, which gradually blanket the entire sky in a sea of white. The following video, put together by the FreeTruth Show, a YouTube-based radio broadcast, contains some imagery of what these chemtrails typically look like in the sky:

"It is great to see a politician bringing public attention to this issue and helping add to the credibility of this cause in the mainstream," writes JG Vibes for The Intel Hub about Hagberg's unprecedented public admission. "Unfortunately, this is a political problem that requires many non-political solutions."

Spraying the skies to save the planet?

Interestingly, the United Nations (UN) and various Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed groups have recently been forced to admit that such sprayings are taking place, and that the emitted particles are not normal contrails. But their excuse for why chemtrail sprayings are being done is that they will somehow save the planet from the devastating effects of so-called "global warming," that ever-present, pseudoscientific environmental theory that is often used as justification for all sorts of outlandish policy proposals. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/)

In the case of chemtrails, everything from blocking the sun in order to lower the earth's average temperatures, to deliberately shifting weather patterns for the purpose of offsetting the allegedly melting polar ice caps, have been used as excuses for trying to legitimize the seeding of our skies with a cornucopia of poisons. And if re-elected to another term, Hagberg says she will continue to fight such chemtrailing efforts in her own country, which she says have been co-opted by the Swedish government.

Be sure to check out the documentary What in the World are They Spraying? (http://www.whatintheworldaretheyspraying.info/), as well as its sequel, Why in the World are They Spraying? (http://www.whyintheworldaretheyspraying.com/), to learn more about the global chemtrail phenomenon. Both full-length films can also be found for free viewing on YouTube.

Sources for this article include:




November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

If you can't trust the word of a drunk pilot in a bar

If you can't trust the word of a drunk pilot trying to impress a girl in a bar, who can you trust?

In regard to spreading contrails, see http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/

Here's a 1981 book that discusses it:
“Sometimes [contrails] are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus“ (Page 137)

A 1989 Sports Illustrated article that tries to explain away a hazy sky in terms of spreading contrails:

Spreading contrails in a 1969 photo:

A 1944 news item about spreading contrails:
“Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“ (column 4)

Is the story going to be that the CIA faked all of this evidence? Or that chemtrails have been going on since the 1940s? I can't wait to find out!

I'd trust the word of a drunk pilot

before I'd trust a shit blind fool like you.


November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

I am going to give an alternate explanation....

Feel free to shoot me down, but here is the explanation:

CONtrails are caused when a jet passes through air that is supersaturated with water vapor. The jet exhaust leaves nuclei of water droplets behind it. Once those are there, they grow by condensation. That means they persist for a long time. For this to happen, all you need is jet fuel exhaust and supersaturated air. The supersaturated air is unstable and any nuclei will trigger condensation.

The phenomena that appears to be "turning the sprayers off" is just the jet passing from a supersaturated air mass to one that not supersaturated. This is likely to happen near the coast as land (and the air above it) heats and cools faster than the sea. It is also likely to happen as the jet changes altitude.

Take a look at this video, and you will see the same thing (described as "initializing the spraying"):


However, you should note that this observation was at the town of Penzance, near the coast, where you would expect a temperature swing in the air. The above video also shows two jets, one leaving a persistant trail while the other leaves a trail that dissipates. However, you should note that the jets are at different elevations, where supersaturation of the air is different.

These observations are just condensation phenomena that need nothing more than normal jet exhaust to initiate. The governments of the world do some wrong-headed things, but investigating chemtrails is a waste of time. You'd be better off focusing on the wars that are going on, and the bankers who are wrecking economies and enslaving citizens.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

It's already a proven fact

It's already a proven fact they are spraying something.High levels of Barium and Aluminum in water and soil samples don't lie.They can't be traced to anything else.
I am not claiming to be an expert on this,but I do know when things are not normal in our sky.People are very busy these day and really don't take the time to look up and study the sky,if they did they may see what a lot of people have already discovered...things are not the same as they were 30-50 years ago.
When I was a kid I don't ever recall a contrail leaving a trail for miles and miles,they lasted about the normal 15sec.
Why is it some days start out bright and sunny and stay that way all day without a single "contrail",and other days,same conditions,same temp.,start out bright and sunny but soon several planes start flying leaving X,parallel,tic-tac-toe,lines all over the sky and they soon spread out and blanket the whole sky.
Does that mean that one day there were hardly any planes in the sky? or the atmospheric conditions were that much different it would cause contrails one day and not another?
Sorry,I can't buy your story, and no I don't trust the people that are running this world,at one time I couldn't imagine they would do things like this to us but now I am awake.

The Tin Foil Hats Are On

Logic just bounces off.

This is in fact the science

This is in fact the science behind contrails, however, this is not about contrails. This is about about aerosol trails containing aluminum-oxide, barium, titanium and strontium. These heavy metals are not expelled with normal contrails. As you say, it is water vapor.

It's one of the many sources of poisons we are exposed to in our world today, along with radiation, GMOs/pesticides, fluoride/chlorine in the water, manufactured viruses like AIDS and so on..

Whether or not there are planes leaving chemtrails

This video is not of one of them. This is a plane leaving a contrail. You can see that the condensation is coming from the engines, and that it stops as the plane moves into different atmospheric conditions.

Further, why on earth would an Air France cargo plane flying from Paris to New York be leaving a chemtrail over Ireland? Even if the plane carried no other cargo, it could not carry enough chemicals to spray over the whole fight path, and it seems like a pretty inefficient way to spray over Ireland.

Shot Down

Evergreen Air (CIA) Jet

The trails are not coming from the engines in this photo.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Now *that* is what I call a smoking gun!

Did I say smoking gun? More like enough smoke for a whole *forest fire*!

From another angle, in case anyone thinks the first was photoshopped:

And another one. Here the trail has a reddish tint. Hmmm. That's clearly not just water vapor.

OMG! I found one from the same "airline" and the trail not only clearly NOT coming from the engines and it's bright red. Not only are they not trying to hide that the stuff is loaded with chemicals, in this story they admit that it's full of chemicals. They even say what the chemicals are intended to do! They call the chemicals retardants.

Here you can see them spraying these so-called "retardants" over a residential area!

Hardly smoking gun

All I see is a plane dropping fire-retardent chemicals on a forest fire. Easily explainable. Although, I will definitely give you the fact that is indeed a chem-trail. A nefarious a chem-trail? Doesn't seem that way.

Point being, I keep and open mind, I just haven't seen any evidence yet.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Oh come on

My sarcasm wasn't *that* subtle, was it?

I agree central banking is a

I agree central banking is a huge problem but when you wake every morning in Malmö to blue skies and by midday the skies look like this and this the immediate problem quickly shifts to worrying about what the hell my children are inhaling.

When do you think it started?

You can find contrails that look exactly like those in photos and video from decades ago. Of course there weren't so many, because there weren't so many planes in the air all the time. Here's a 1944 documentary that has plenty of contrails:
At 15:15 they talk about the contrails and why they form.

How does this square with the theory of chemtrails?

Do you have any evidence that

Do you have any evidence that the contrails from 1950 lasted for over 12 hours and formed thin clouds over the sky? If you have pictures of that I would like to see them. Best way to know for certain is to do some soil samples checking for aluminum oxide and barium concentrations over a period of time like was done in What In The World Are They Spraying.

Did you see the quotes and links

that I posted above? There's the one from 1944, for example: “Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“.

Or 1981: "“Sometimes [contrails] are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus“ The links are in the reply I posted earlier.

Here's a page of historic photos with contrails, some dissipating and some not: http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/

Here's a 1980 report on NBC prime-time news:
At 1:10 the guy being interviewed talks about how contrails can spread out to cover the entire sky.

This page:
cites an observation from 1919! "... eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick"

Nevada Daily Mail, 1968 http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tJofAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aNQEA...
Skip to page 15 there (which is page 4, Nevada Daily Mail, 2/13/68)
"Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as signature of their passage. Some contrails soon dissipate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirrus clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun."

That article refers to Dr. Walter Orr Roberts of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, who it turns out wrote a number of things about persistent contrails in the 1960s. For example, Popular Science, May 1969, Page 76
"Contrails, Dr. Roberts explains, do not simply spread out at the 30-40,000-foot altitudes where jets fly, but spawn cirrus clouds by seeding the upper atmosphere with ice crystals from the water vapor in jet exhaust. On a clear day, you can often see this happening near heavily traveled airways. It is almost certain that on many occasions--30 to 40 days a year, say--the cause of cirrus cloud cover is contrails."

"More than 30 years ago, atmospheric scientist Walter Orr Roberts, founder of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., was showing time-lapse movies illustrating how the thin white stripes from jets spread out--and sometimes cover much of the sky."
(that would be "more than 30 years" prior to 2002 there)

What I Hate, Merle Haggard

What I Hate, Merle Haggard

What I hate is a statesman speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
What I hate is a war still going on down in the south.
What I live for is a chance to change a little bit of it all.
What I hate is most folks don't seem to care at all.
What I hate is looking up and seeing chemtrails in a clear blue sky today.
What I hate is geting roadblocks on a highway in my way.
What I love is someone bright enough to see.
Now we cant change the whole wide world, maybe we change our neighborhood.

DP post: DEA Blues, Merle Haggard, Cocaine and Chemtrails

Youtube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT33FKsG3c8