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Apple patent to disable your phone in specific areas.

Scary indeed. They can disable your phone or camera from a 3rd party remote anywhere they want.

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All of this "smart phone" nonsense...

is EXACTLY what the original 'Zeitgeist' film was trying to warn of, the the spying and cataloging of the populous would be forced upon us...the people would DEMAND it!! We won't need to be rounded-up for our chip injection...I watched in dusgust as the iZombies stood in line for 2 days in order to be the first on their block in order to have the latest in freedom-killing technology.
Years ago I worked with a man who did 'computer stuff' for the US military (as a civilian). This guy has forgotten more about hacking than most people know...kinda scarry, really...anyway, he explained to me that you CAN remove the battery from your cell phone,and "they" can STILL listen-in...no power required from your unit. That technology was from around 2000...imagine what Buck Rogers-type things they've got on us now~!
The ultimate lesson here is: Kill your TV, cancel your cell phone and throw it in the ocean, no credit card, no bank account, no mailbox in front of your house. Doing these things may buy you some time.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Now be honest...

Does anyone here seriously think they are THAT interesting that they'd actually be spied on? My feeling is the paranoia far outweighs the reality.

This isn't about 'spying'...

this is about cataloging. The different agencies collaberate with master computers that monitor EVERYTHING...watch the show, "Person of Interest" to get an idea of what I mean. And each of these phones, your OnStar, your laptop...all emit signals that are easily tracked.
All of us have a pattern...we all take the same route to work each morning, we all shop at certain stores on thursdays, we buy gas at the same places...and our habits and patterns are monitored and recorded. Should a person of interest (say, you and I because we belong to this anti-regime subversive website) stray from their 'normal' routine, a red flag goes up for closer observation. These are the folks who will be admitted to the FEMA re-education camps first.
I didn't used to be paranoid...but I did start to connect the dots and the logical conclusion creeps me out!

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

It helps to think of "the

It helps to think of "the government" as separate, warring fiefdoms and in each little kingdom there are self-interested people continually attempting to gain power and influence for themselves and their likeminded friends and followers.

This is absolutely no different from individuals outside of government. All human created things can be dismantled, tricked, reverse-engineered, submarined, etc. In the short run, there are credible threats to freedom, but "in the long run, we're all dead", as the saying goes. Right?

Do what you can, take care of yourself and yours and keep fighting.

Solution: Use Linux and Open Source Software

This is why I use Linux and open source software. Since I ditched Microsoft and Apple, I've never had to worry about anything like this ever since.

We do not need government to solve our problems

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All cell phones

can be remotely turned on and used as listening devices. Or at least that is what they tell us. That is why cellphones of any kind are not allowed in classified meetings.

Even if they are "turned off", they aren't truly off and can apparently be remotely turned on and used to eavesdrop on conversations.

I would assume that if the phone had a camera, then it too could be remotely activated and used to take photos of whatever is in the field of view of the camera lens.

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

if you remove the battery

if you remove the battery they can't turn it on but some phones you can't remove the battery...............

While we're on the subject of

While we're on the subject of cell phone cameras, has anyone checked out the user agreement for the newer versions of the mobile YouTube application? In it, it explicitly states (under "Hardware Controls"): "Allows application to take pictures and videos with the camera. This allows the application at any time to collect images the camera is seeing." Freaky, right? Everyone should pay attention to the user agreements before downloading these apps. My question is, why would they want this application to have these capabilities?

"The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live." -Ayn Rand

Kind of boilerplate language

Kind of boilerplate language to protect Google from liability for footage captured unintentionally by users, most likely. They can't know all of the stupid reasons why people captured and uploaded embarrassing footage.

Does this only apply to iPhone 5 and up?

Or does it work retroactively for older iPhones as well?

So education institutions

So education institutions will disable student's phones. I was just thinking about how great it was that these phones provide a way to get around the already disabled internet in my school. There have been many times a simple fact-check on a professor or a question I had sparked an interest. I did not have a phone but I saw my classmates having this advantage so I am about to go buy one. They think they are preventing us from playing video-games during class for our own good. One of my professors said "nanny state" today in class referring to our government of course.

GPS coordinates in phone photos

I did not know this until a few weeks ago when we had a security briefing. Doesn't affect me directly since I haven't had a camera phone in a long time, but all photos taken with GPS enabled camera phones (unless specifically disabled) will record the GPS coordinates and date/time where you took the photo and embed it into the digital photo file.

Posting photos from your camera phone on Facebook and other sites allows stalkers, or other would-be criminals, to decrypt them and find out where you took the photo (e.g. your home address, your child's school, your family members' addresses, where your SHTF retreat is, etc.).

I know probably everyone here knew this already, but thought I'd pass it along just in case.

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

Just because Apple patented it...

doesn't mean they plan on implementing it. (In fact, they'd only screw over themselves if they did that since people would stop buying iPhones.)

Tech companies have been abusing the patent system for years. Now that Apple has patented this, they can sue the pants off of anyone who tries to use this same technology in the future. That's the REAL reason for this patent and the crapload of others like it, not some vast conspiracy.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Yet another reason to NOT be

Yet another reason to NOT be an iZombie. Never buy a phone that prevents you from removing the battery ( or Laptop for that matter, like MacBook Pro )

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---eyeroll---

There has to be someone...

There has to be someone out there that can hack this and disable it. If it hasn't already been done it will happen. Every lock can be unlocked by the right person. It could be as low tech as wrapping the phone with tin foil with a hole for the camera lens.

RickStone

Jailbreak phone get cydia

Jailbreak phone get cydia override app

Looking for solutions ...

Wish I could find a useful way to approach this general problem that it's not the technology but how it's used. Same thing with drones. Great technology. Really stinks when it's not used well. They could help keep us safe; no, not by bombing us ... same role as police helicopters. But there again, for every positive use I could name, it would be easy to state abuses, and we can't seem to stop abuse.

So, what I said first. This seems to be an important thing to talk about; technology is not inherently bad. It's not this app. or that drone, but how the stuff is used. But beyond stating that bit of wisdom, I sort of go blank; so, at this point, it's not particularly useful wisdom.

Any thoughts?

Correlation does not prove causality!

If you know the abuses, you can make informed decisions

I personally vote with my dollars. I pay a company to host my calendar rather than using Google calendar. I pay for email service from a reputable company that respects privacy, rather than grabbing a "free" account from Gmail, Yahoo, or Hotmail. I pay a hosting company for a private blog for sharing with my familiy and friends instead of posting things on Facebook. My computers run Debian/Linux free and open source software. I use Duck Duck Go and Startpage search engines instead of Google or Bing. I block most cookies in my web browser. Often I surf the internet using TOR or a VPN.

Essentially everyone else I know has a Facebook account, Gmail account, Youtube account, and uses a stock iPhone or Android phone with all the associated spyware. I share with people my concerns over personal privacy and the potential for abuse, but most people like to keep their heads in the sand. I still believe that a free market will win out. If enough people vote with their wallets, things will change and good alternatives will spring up.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

hmm... Well don't buy a

hmm... Well don't buy a Crapple and always carry a real camera.

Problem solved.

Nice report, but Android is just as bad

Apple and Android phones (essentially all of the smart phone market) have the same capabilities. You install every application through a central hub (Google Play store or Apple itunes). That means Google or Apple knows everything that is on the phone. Google and Apple also have root or administrative access, which means that they can remove or disable any application that you have on the phone. They can do this without your permission or knowledge. In fact, Google did this a while back to remove some spamware that was available through Google Market.

In addition, the phones offer the user zero control over what each application has access to or what it can do with your phone or your data. You just have a yes/no option. Accept all of what the application wants to do or don't install it.

Smart phones are very very bad.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

And you can install plenty of

And you can install plenty of 3rd party apps that are not on the Apps store (well android at least). You can download tons of apps off Bittorrent.

And rooting the phone fixes every issue you mentioned.

My phone is rooted and I use F-DROID to install apps

...but that doesn't fix every problem. You really need to have an application like pdroid (which at the moment requires patching and compiling your own ROM) so that you can control what applications can and can't do. The cyanogen custom ROM gives some control over applications, but the developers were threatened by Google with banning phones running that ROM from the Google Play store if they started spoofing phone IDs like pdroid allows you to do.

If you think we live in a free society, just look at how little freedom you have on your smart phone, the internet, social media, and your cable box. Everything is tracked and controlled. I don't have anything to hide, but I hate the privacy intrusion on principle.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

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It's a patent. It also means that because Apple owns the patent - no one else can use the technology on their phone thus preventing the whole industry from using the technology.

Yes owning a patent can prevent another company from ever using the technology.

The technology to be able to control your phone has technically & theoretically been available for years as well as tracking and so forth.

I don't see them using the technology and it's a benefit that to us that they got to patent the idea first before anyone else did.

By the way this story is old. It was posted months ago.

Blah, blah, blah... Buy a

Blah, blah, blah... Buy a dumb-phone if you have paranoid tendencies over such things. Better yet, get a shortwave radio.

Wake up Velveeta

I have a smart phone, but I know it is evil. If you own an Android phone, take a look at the application "DRM content". It is running all the time (even though you didn't start it or ask for it). If you want to wake up to what is going on, take a look at what "DRM content" has the power to do. This application can:

-add or modify calendar events
-send emails
-read and write the web browser history and bookmarks
-read and write contact data
-read user defined dictionary
-directly call phone numbers
-send text messages
-edit existing text messages
-full internet access
-use the authentication credentials of your accounts
-modify/delete SD card content
-create Bluetooth connections
-kill other applications
-hide itsels in the control panel of running applications

....and MORE. Basically, you do not own or control your phone. You pay to have a company control your phone and all of your data. If you don't believe what I wrote about "DRM content", you can prove it is true just by looking at the application under Settings>Manage Applications on any Android phone.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Would you stop and think about what you say?

"I have a smart phone, but I know it is evil."

You have a smart phone, in other words you made a conscious decision to buy one............... but you KNOW it is evil.

Commence with the conniption fits.

Yes, and I control my data to the extent possible

You can root a phone, remove the most offensive applications, and limit what you do and share on the phone. Believe me, if I had an option for a phone with completely free software on it, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

OK, then a phone is

OK, then a phone is neutral... at worst. It is neither "good" nor "evil".