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Is Christianity the worship of the son... Or the Sun?

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You post a video.

I post a counter-video. Fair enough? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hgX6w4U-2o

Don't know about the other "gods..."

...so I can't speak as to their similarities or lack thereof with Jesus. I do know a little bit about Horus, though. I'm relatively sure that, unlike Horus, Jesus' mom did not cut off her dead husband's penis to impregnate herself with him.

Just sayin'.

Also, wasn't it Osiris that was supposedly resurrected, by Isis? I'm not an expert on Egyptian mythology, but I seem to recall the myths differently than this video.

this video looks at sound and vibrations

as well as the beginning of the universe and how God is real within each one of us as consciousness, but that religion is man-made.

~peace

Christianity and my conscience lead me to the same conclusion.

Treat others as you would like to be treated.Treat others with goodwill,kindness,compassion and mercy.Admit and repent of your mistakes and the wrong things you have done ,said, and thought.Swallow your pride and let your conscience be your guide to truth and to what is right or wrong.That is what being a Christian and following Christ means to me.To me,it has nothing to do with religious denominations.We know our conscience is real,whether we believe in God or not.Conscience being our inner sense of right and wrong.Even if you don't believe in God,does it not make sense to live by these principles anyway?

Well Said

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Religion

Is doo-doo. All these back ass arguments to explain what is so clearly laid out for you in this short concise video, and all you can do is make supernatural arguments for a very unsupernatural universe. It's easy to understand. So instead of looking at it logically it's a man that lives in the sky and judges and stuff and you better be good or else...Rubish! The Bible was written by man, Period. Has the world taught you to trust man?..not me. And I don't think god expects you to either. Live life my friends. Don't judge, live by the golden rule and things will work themselves out just fine. No need for invisible beings to conrol things mysteriously without a shred of evidence.

The principles and patterns...

... of the Creator are written into nature (and the conscience) for all humanity to observe. (See Paul in Romans, etc.)

It is therefore no shock that multiple groups of people at different times have observed the cycles of nature and transposed these patterns into stories of dying gods who are raised to life again, Odin, the corn-king, etc.

The exciting part is realizing that what these mere stories and shadows captured, was supplanted by the arrival into actual history of THE Corn-King, the Myth become Reality, who actually was God Incarnate, who demonstrated this by actually dying and being raised again, appearing to many in the early church (not just the apostles).

The shadows were supplanted by the Real. Kudos to the ancients for at least being atuned to what God had written into nature, even if they did not fully understand it.

Jesus never wanted to be worshipped. He came to show

the WAY. Christianity is an organized religion built on many human introduced doctrines. No human should WORSHIP anything, but rather give honor to God the creator, and attempt to establish a conscious connection with God's intelligence in the universe through quiet mediation.

Jesus incarnated as a highly aware human, and he continues to be a Master Being of Light in the higher realms, helping those who seek his guidance. His incarnation was God’s gift, a way of helping to hasten the return to awareness of those who are trapped in the physical dimension of Earth and reincarnating endlessly because of karma.

Most humans come to the Earth plane for the experience and forget there is a higher realm. They lose their conscious connection to God. We are meant to be as it was in the Garden of Eden, speaking with God and receiving guidance all the time. Many children are being born today who have this conscious connection with God, as Jesus did. We are meant to evolve to this stage of consciousness and beyond.

Jesus was a highly evolved and highly aware human, the prototype of what we are all meant to become as we evolve. He was sent as an example and a guide to show the way.

Jesus had a physical body that he referred to as “the son of man”. He also speaks of his soul, “the son of God” which was his connection to God intelligence or Christ Consciousness. He did not lose his God connection in coming here. He is the forerunner of the new children being born, who retain their Christ Consciousness or connection to God.

His advice to us was, “Seek and you will find.” You will find what you seek in your heart. If you honestly seek God, the door will open and you will regain your God connection or Christ Consciousness, as Jesus did.

Christianity Is the Worship of Jesus Christ

as the Son of God. The Sun is His creation and is not to be worshiped. For those interested, read Ezekiel 8 where God forbids sun worship. Also, Romans 1 warns about worshiping the creation rather than the Creator.

Even if He put a symbol of Himself in the sky, He warns against worshiping it.

I heard all of this long ago, and promptly dismissed it.

Fed-Up

The Maseah, son of Maryum,

he never mentioned or said - "worship me". The word "Christ" is strange & alien, which he himself would not accept, in lieu of "Maseah". Zietgiest's version on that period is anti-Maseah rubbish, dump it, no need to explain.

Why?

Does this remind of horoscopes? lol

donvino

Wanna buy a bridge?

Anyone that buys into this nonsense is ripe for ripping off. I've got a few bridges and some prime real estate for sale if you are interested.

If you want a refutation of this baloney, http://www.tektonics.org/ is a good place to start, but there are plenty of others, too. Satan has attacked the truth and authority of God's word since the beginning of time. This video is just another example.

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

Quite illogical.

>:~|

Either way...

we should shut down the Fed and end the wars. :)

Would probably make Jesus smile and the reduced war smoke would let the Sun shine down on more plants and animals....

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Me likey, Weebles.

I can see how you don't fall down. You should run for office.

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Thank the Catholic Church for the paganization of Christ.

The Church is the one who merged the birth of Christ with pagan 12/25 celebrations. Christ was not born on December 25th. and is another example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions.

"The largest pagan religious cult which fostered sun worship in the Greek and Roman worlds on December 25 was the cult of Mithraism. They called it "the Nativity of the Sun." Mithras, the sun-god, was supposed to have been born at this time, but so were Osiris, Horus, Tammuz, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, Jupiter -- all the pagan Messiahs! This fact alone would seem to indicate that all these pagan sun-gods and deities trace their roots back to the original sun-god of ancient Babylon -- Nimrod!"
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm
"This popular winter festival became such an established custom that in pagan Rome and Greece, Egypt, and throughout Europe, the period of the winter solstice was a time of great revelry and festivity. In Rome it became known as the "Saturnalia," in honor of the god Saturn, "the hidden one."
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm

"Clearly, the pagan customs of Christmas had nothing remotely to do with the Messiah, or the Word of YEHOVAH God, the Scriptures. Clearly, they had nothing to offer to the Church of YEHOVAH God, as they were the very antithesis of true Christianity! Yet, somehow, this ancient pagan festival wormed its way into the established "Christian" Church and became its most prominent holiday of the year! What a monstrous mystery!"
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm

"The Catholic Church took the excitement which surrounded the Roman Saturnalia, with its excesses, delights, debauchery, and wantonness, and called them the celebration of the birth of the Son of YEHOVAH God, Yeshua. Most people today still think of December 25 as the birth day of Yeshua, even though this is definitely not the case."
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm

"This pagan "bash" was transformed by the Catholic Church into the festivities of Christmas, in honor of the Madonna and Child. Thus the pagan Semiramis (Egyptian Isis) and Tammuz (Horus) were "transformed," by sleight of hand, by the "magicians" of the Roman Church, into Mary and Yeshua."
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm

A little hard to believe

A little hard to believe since our calendar is completey different than theirs, and has gone through some changes itself in the last 1500 years.

The romans even originally had a eight day week and ten months. So it is entirely unlikely "they" had the same holiday on exactly the same date that only exists on our calendar system.

You'd be a lot happier guy if you looked up your own stuff, and doubted a lot of the bs you spoon feed yourself with all the time. I post this stuff because I had to wade through it when I was a kid online - THIRTY YEARS ago, and found answers to the contrary. Yeah, online stuff has existed that long.

http://www.web40571.clarahost.co.uk/roman/calhis.htm

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Regarless of man's calendar,

Regarless of man's calendar, the Winter Solctice ("Christmas") always falls on the same day, as does the Spring Solctice ("Easter").

These "dates" on the Calendar are determined by the positioning of celestial bodies, not dates on a calendar. They were the same 2000 years ago as they are today.

Christmas is the day the Sun "dies". Easter is the day it returns to life, the rebirth of the Sun. (the 3rd day after Christmas is a day of resurrection, due to the Sun's movement stopping on the Winter Solctice, then once again beginning to move on the 3rd day.)

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Pagans didn't "invent"

Pagans didn't "invent" naturally occurring phenomena like fall, winter, and spring. "Oh look, people who plant and harvest their crops at the same time every year and note the same days" must all be from the same religion is a "stupid" observation. Those aren't religiously chosen days, they are NATURALLY OCCURRING.

Also, Dec 25th is not the winter solstice. And in 1200ad, this wasn't Christmas, it was the feast of adam and eve.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I never said the Pagans

I never said the Pagans invented anything did I? Most (if not all) Pagan holidays are naturally occurring, which is to say that most (if not all) Pagan holidays are religiously chosen naturally occurring days.

I don't believe you can find where I said anything about people who plant and harvest by the sun's position, that they must all be of the same religion. Certainly the American Indians who were agriculturalist where not of pagan religion. But what I will say is that "hunter gatherers" generally have very similar religious beliefs, and once people begin move into agricultural societies, their religions begin to take on similarities of Sun worship. At the same time, their societies are quite different politically speaking. Hunter gathers tend to have less of a Leadership that can be seen as a "ruler" (gods) and more titular in nature whereas in the agriculturalist they tend to have very powerful gods (kings, judges) who are most often display a tyrannical nature over their people. Generally these kings/judges get their power by some association they have with their "gods". Often that association is that the King is a Son of their said god, the King inherited that position as most kings do, from their father...Just as the king's earthly father was king because he was the reincarnate of say Ra, so to the Son is now king because he is a)son of his earthly father, and b)also reincarnate of Ra. These kings are Ra, God, alive in the flesh here on earth.

My bad...yes the 25 is the Birth, I typed the day it dies. The sun dies on around the 20-22 according to our calender. It once again begins moving across the sky on around the 25th...which is to say, in Pagan, its is born on around the 25th.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Was Al Gore alive thirty years ago?

I thought he was only 28.

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I read the Age of Reason, MaxK. Read it sometime soon,...

and see the correct way to present a logical argument as Paine does. You would be a lot happier guy if you put your logical mind to good use rather than try and justify the merciless, repeatedly killing of babies and pregnant women by the Almighty.

You logically present illogical arguments. I commend you for that. However, you are only half way there; still stuck in the dogma. You refuse to consider alternative explanations for an Almighty who revealed himself to us not with words and magical thinking, but manifested in the structure of the universe. Anytime that you want to discuss a consistent, logical God versus the one in the Bible, let me know.

The big problem with Paine - Age of Revelation

I read the age of Revelation Steve, you are about 200 years out of date. It completely refutes Paine, and was written by Pain's boss - president of the continental congress, who notes Paine never held an elected office in the United States, and self-appointed himself to a committee (nice).

As Age of Revelation notes, after refuting every major argument of Paine, noting his ignorance and citing real references, ignoring Paine's major vehicle for argument (mockery - which is not intellectual), noting recycling of previous arguments from the last century - nothing new, and that his book was being supported by what looked like funds from a principle of the Illuminati (have you bothered to check who Paine was working with??) is..

Paine was a self claimed deist not an atheist. You can't logically make the same arguments as a deist as you would an atheist, because if you admit to a God and Creator, you have to find a rational reason why He *wouldn't* reveal himself, and Paine does not.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

FYI - I have age of

FYI - I have age of revelation as a free kindle book, and would be happy to compare Age of Reason to Age of Revelation on argumentation, as there is no reason to rewrite 200 year old books that argued each other.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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I just read through this book online. It addresses nothing.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XpcPAAAAIAAJ&printsec=front...
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Age_of_Revelation.ht...

None of Paine's main points were addressed. This author has no concept of the arguments Paine makes. He is only attempting to justify the Bible and ridicule Paine for daring to have written Age of Reason. This Age of Revelation explained nothing, IMO. Don't waste your time with the comparison. Boudinot's book is not comparable to the Age of Reason. Appreciate the offer, though.

I'd advice ignoring Paine's

And I'd advice ignoring Paine's book. It makes claims with no citations (made up), and uses mockery not reason.

The Age of Revelation is an actual scholarly book. It doesn't claim things, it actually cites things. That is the reason Steve doesn't want you to read it. He just wants to sit on his ass and offer nothing, as opposed to the principle refutation of the book at that time.

Age of Revelation is a great apologetic book. Paine's book is trash, and was refuted by virtually every major founding father as trash, including Franklin.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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You love putting words in people's mouths. Sad illogic.

Where did I tell anyone not to read Boudinot's book? I was talking to you, although I do ask myself why.

You accuse me of telling people not the read the Age of Revelation, which I did not do. Yet, you tell people not to read the Age of Reason, that it's trash! I believe you would be called a hypocrite for such thinking. Get a mirror, MaxK. Be careful when you look at yourself though.

Logic is self-evident truth, like 1+1 = 2. There are no citations needed when reason is understood. God is way smarter than what the Bible makes him out to be. Your impression of the Almighty is much lower than my own because of your dogmatic beliefs.

I'm imitating you so you get

I'm imitating you so you get over yourself. Remember, I tried the gentle way for months. So yes, there is a mirror someplace.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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You are no imitation of me...not even close.

I answer you directly, and I treat you with respect. However, you do not extend the same courtesy to me. You divert and evade, you twist and you distract; you refuse to address my points, and you attack me in the process. Who is behaving more like a spiritual being these days? Certainly, not you. Is this what your religion has taught you? It is really sad to read all of your vapid arguments. You act more like the devil himself than any enlightened, born again believer. If you really believed all that you pretend to know, you would have gained some wisdom along the way and employed the Golden Rule with your communications.